i think the world is ending, we are agreeing more an more LOLOriginally Posted by .blank cd
i think the world is ending, we are agreeing more an more LOL
Enterprise Data Resources- Ecommerce Project Manager
-www.usedbarcode.net
Again ill ask the simple question, WHY DOES IT MATTER?
If you go to a christian church that believes homosexuality is a sin, thats perfectly fine. If you want to get MARRIED in that church, that church has every right to deny to marry Gay people. Its a private institution. They are free to choose to wed or marry according to their beliefs.
We are talking about STATE LAW. If the State chooses to recognize gay couples to get MARRIED, it doesnt effect christian beliefs ,ceremonies, marriages AT ALL. ITS 2 COMPLETELY SEPERATE ISSUES.
EXAMPLE:
CHRISTIAN CHURCH 1 allows a hetero couple to get MARRIED. This married couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.
GAY THEOCRACY 1 allows a gay couple to get MARRIED. This homosexual couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.
HOW DOES THE SECOND PART EFFECT THE FIRST PARTS BELIEFS?
Enterprise Data Resources- Ecommerce Project Manager
-www.usedbarcode.net
Actually I don't understand. you keep saying you agree but then you say you disagree. Are you saying that because "under god" was added to the pledge 60 years ago, we should force all Americans to live by the bible?
If you truly felt they were both extremely sinful, why don't you seem to be ashamed about your enjoyment of hot girl on girl action? It sounds like you don't actually feel in your heart it is sinful, but think you are supposed to feel that it is.
I'm not actually trying to convince you either way but what you say you believe doesn't match your actions and other statements you made. It's not a bad idea to consider why you seem to hold contradictory views.
I do not mean it that way. What I mean to say is that this country has always lived, with the "under God" mentality so anything you throw at it that goes against God, will be questioned and argued against.
I KNOW it's a sin. I believe in God and know it is just as bad. However, I would not consider myself a christian because I do not currently follow the bible and haven't the past 4 years. I sin everyday knowingly and feel no remorse... BUT, the day will come when I will call myself a Christian.
Two girls/guys having sex is one thing. Allowing them to marry is another. If you are gay and keep your business to yourself noone would say anything. Allowing them to marry will be like slapping the system/beliefs/ and what we have followed since the beginning of humanity. That is what makes it such a big deal.
Hope you understand this better. I did not want to break it down like this but you kind of forced me to.
What system are you talking about?
The beliefs are your own, why should someone else be demonized because of what you believe?
Homosexuality has been around since long before there was ever a written language. Get over this lifestyle an learned behavior BS. If you really believe homosexuality is a choice, you will be able to tell us all when you made the choice to be straight. What factors led you to that decision? I cant recall ever making a decision, I'm just not attracted to other men.
This is what you guys are not understanding. I am agreeing with you. I am doing enough to get on your side and look at things open minded... I'm keeping my personal thoughts and beliefs to myself and tackling this with you guys.
TO CHRISTIANS: Homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it natural. It is a person possessed by a demon and there is no arguing that with them. I respect your point of view but you are not respecting mine. I was open minded enough to agree with you on your side and give you a bit of mine.
I got your point of view... told you that looking at it the way you do you have a good argument and make sense. Seems like you took advantage of this and are now trying to force your beliefs in me. It's not going to happen, just like I haven't tried one bit to make you believe mine.
A belief is the confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately succeptible to proof It's not that we're not respecting you, you're trying to tell us that the world is flat because that's what it says bible. It's not us forcing our beliefs on you. It's us telling you that the world isn't flat no matter what the bible says. Same thing with gays. Homosexuality is natural. If it weren't, it wouldn't be expressed in other species of animals, but it is. Gays aren't sinners or evil, nor will christian society collapse if a gay person gets married. It'll never happen. The only anti gay preaching is coming from those who aren't secure in their own sexuality. You know how I know? Because in the bible, Jesus said absolutely nothing about gays.
Did you know, according to the bible, God puts EXACT SAME emphasis is put on people who cut their hair, and wear mixed fabrics? According to the bible, you are just as damned as a gay person for wearing the clothes you're wearing right now. Why do you think we dont hate people who cut their hair, or wear polyester jackets?
Don't look at it as an attack, look at this as me trying to help you open your eyes and see this in the same way you look at everything else. You don't have to keep your thoughts to yourself. I want to hear em
This is a discussion. There is nothing wrong with challenging each others beliefs. Both sides should present the reasons behind their position so we can discuss the validity of those reasons. No one is "forcing" their beliefs on you but we are trying to persuade you with reason. So far, this has been a respectful discussion on both sides. There is no need to feel threatened or disrespected.
I'm a Christian and I belive in God's words.
I personally don't care if 2 guys or 2 girls want to get together but it shouldn't be recognized as "MARRIAGE" - if u want to call is "CARRIAGE" or "LARRIAGE" or "PARRIAGE" and give the couples all the legal rights to do everything that "married" couples do and get all benefits - great. More power too u but don't change the definition of something to its opposite. Can't go outside and decide u want to call night day and day night..
And this is completely different from church thinking black and white shouldn't be together back in the day... Trust me there are stupid people every where but just because someone does something dumb and say they are christians doesn't mean they are really operating in God's will. But just my 2 cents
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
WILL ANYONE ANSWER My QUESTION?
Enterprise Data Resources- Ecommerce Project Manager
-www.usedbarcode.net
So you're pretty much saying that the christian faith is the supreme authority over all religions' definition of marriage? Do you think the states shouldn't recognize anything but christian marriage, regardless of the actual religion of the participants? The bible also says ONE man and ONE woman, so technically, divorce-remarriage should be just as forbidden/unrecognized. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think it's ok for christians to essentially "cherry pick" which verses they want to enforce as law, when the bible puts the same emphasis on all of it?
And for the record, interracial marriage opposition was also biblically motivated, so, yes, it's the exact same thing. Lol. The church had to turn the other cheek on that definition so it could remain relevant, which will happen in time for homosexual marriage, if they want to continue to be relevant.
And for the record, according to the tenets of christianity, anyone professing to believe in the abrahamic god, and that Jesus Christ is the son of this god, and has been baptized as such, is a christian. There is no other official qualification/disqualification process
Why does it matter? Because its fun to figure out what's in the heads of these kinds of people. Lol
I have answered this and asked the same question to anti gay marriage people many times. Its very simple. Gay marriage has absolutely zero effect on anyone but the 2 getting married.
To the bible thumpers; at one point marriage may have been a religious term, today it is not. Today marriage is a legal term.
Marriage has ALWAYS been a legal term. Before the bible was around, marriage was used for the continuation of lineage and to trade property. Daughters included.
giggity
Enterprise Data Resources- Ecommerce Project Manager
-www.usedbarcode.net
I cant find anything wrong with this.
I'm back guys... IDK if you have missed the part where the bible states that homosexuality is the most disgusting sin (maybe not those exact words).. but you get the idea.... This is where christians get this from. If you believe that God/Jesus is your holy father and he states that, then wouldn't agreeing with gay marriage turn your back against him? This is why Christians will never accept it. Whether it gets passed or not, a true christian will NEVER agree with it..
You guys have some valid points but I want to make you understand how christians feel about it and why they will never change their mind. Again, a true christian.
Trust me, I know exactly how "true christians" feel about the issue
Heres Pastor Terry Jones' property. He made headlines a while back for holding a Quran burning ceremony. Here you can see a hanged effigy of Obama. The Secret Service Administration have been notified.
Here's Pastor Charles Worley of North Carolina. Here he is calling for a LITERAL "homosexual HOLOCAUST" (Remember that thing Hitler did to the Jews? Yeah that)
that is the reason why I don't believe in pastors. The bible even says you're a fool if you put your trust in other man. People should just listen to the word, and worry about their personal relationship with God. "We see faces, but not hearts"
So as a Christian, do you believe our government's laws should be used to enforce biblical morality on all people in this country?
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
