Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
Why do you thinking auditing welfare recipients to make sure they don't have lots of luxury items is idiotic? I think we both agree that if you drive a nice new car, you don't need welfare right?
Because it isnt illegal to own a new car. Regulating what luxury items you own is not a valid use of govt power. Drugs are not a luxury item, they are a controlled substance.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
Ok so you are saying if you commit any crime, regardless of how serious, you should not be eligible for welfare?
You got me on this one. I should have said felony. If you are found guilty of a felony there should be a mandatory 10 year ban from welfare programs.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
This seems to be self contradictory. First you say drugs aren't causing them to be on welfare but then you said they can't get off welfare because they can't pass a drug test to get a better job.
Not at all. Drugs are typically not what put someone on welfare, but because of the inability to pass a drug test, they can keep you on welfare.




Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
Thanks for providing some numbers. Don't forget administration and disposal fees, should add too much cost though. And how do you handle false positives? Can you ask for a retest?
Administration should be easy as these style cups do not require any type of supervision. They test for common adulterants, they display the temp, and they are sealed. If a test comes back negative, the donor unscrews the cap, dumps the urine in the toilet, and tosses the cup in the regular garbage. Urine is not a bio hazardous substance.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...ONS&p_id=25647

Because they cups are sealed, a positive test or a test that contains adulterants is sent off to a lab for actual testing. This testing typically costs between $100 and $150 according to google. Lab tests are about 99.99% accurate even with many common adulterants added.

Punishment is simple.

Pop once, you get your check but are required to take a bi-monthly test for 6 months.
Pop twice, no check, required to attend out patient drug rehab at state expense.
Pop for a third time, banned from all welfare programs for 5 years and turned over to DCFS for kids to be removed from the home.