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He left his first wife when she got diagnosed with cancer. He met his 2nd wife before he was divorced then married her, and then cheated and left his 2nd wife for the current one number 3.
Usually I don't care about what people do in their free time, but if a guy treats marriage and his spouses like trash, then he definitely doesn't give a damn about us taxpayers. I say fuck him.
He definitely doesn't deserve to tell gays that they ruin the sanctity of marriage.
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Are you a fan of Bill Clinton? He raped a woman in 1978. Then there was Monica Lewinski, then there was Paula Jones.
If anything, Clinton was worse because he lied about it under oath.
One thing I will give Obama credit for, he seems to be an honest and genuine family man.
I'll give you that, i dont dislike Obama the person. He certainly rubs shoulders with some of the most racist idiots on the planet, but aside from that he seems like an OK guy. He's just incompetent.
out of allllll the comments i've seen about people and when tehy say they dislike Obama, i appreciate the way you put that. #reps
HHis marriage life isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as say......john Edwards or Clinton.
His first wife left HIM before she was diagnosed with benign cancer according to HER.
His second wife he did cheat on and marry the person he was cheating with.
He's been with her for 14 years, admitted he was wrong, I see no problem with that.
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Maybe we can get him locked up!
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Grasping at straws much?
I mean if everyone else who breaks a law gets jail time, why not him?
I don't have the time to sit here and hash out all the illegal activities of political figures and candidates for which they are not in jail. I might as well sit down and write a 1000 page novel if I want to write that much.
Blitzer asked if Palin would be a potential VP, he says they haven't talked about anything like that but he'd ask her to consider taking a major role in his administration, I don't see where he promised her anything. Also the law says "for the purpose of procuring support", he made that statement after she had come out in support for him. But, spin it however you'd like.
His marriage history is pretty far down on the list of reasons I wouldn't vote for him.
I'm voting for Colbert
Oh Newt... the ideas you have for poor and child labor.
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Are actually pretty good.
Best thing you can do for poor people is give them opportunity not handouts.
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Him speaking about a poor person not having the sense to go to work 8-5, 9-5 or whatever is not very good. 5 years ago I would of been on his lazy list and I'd be in highschool, mopping the floors instead of spending my time studying or being a kid/teen. Working when you're a kid instead of just being a kid is beyond me and having the opportunity to be poor, remain poor and work poor, does not help a poor person.
I don't like how he passes it off as if poor folks (all of them in his general wash) are to remain poor and work poor just to be poor, that is not opportunity.
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If a kid is poor, how does giving him a minimum wage job at 12,13,14 make him poor? LOL
Some kids would love a chance to earn money, why not give them that opportunity.
Or we could just "let them be kids" which in most poor neighborhoods means crime, drugs, and drop outs.
Yeah sounds much better /sarcasm
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Marriage is a promise to spend your life with a person, not to give up when shit hits the fan. Everyone goes through tough times. But GOOD people make it work.
The point is, if he'll fuck over his wife he'll fuck over the taxpayers. A man is not going to care more for random taxpayers than the only person giving him pussy.
As far as Clinton goes...I have no idea what he was about really because I was young when he was in office, so I have no comment or feelings on him either way. I will say that when Clinton was in office though, I doubt our national debt was so fucking high.
That left wing liberal scum had the US in a budget SURPLUS. Damn Socialist
I'd take ten bill Clinton's over 1 barrack Obama any time.
He knew how to compromise, Obama does not. Clinton wanted to be loved by everyone, Obama is a narcissist in love with himself. Obama proves he just doesn't care about policy, he cares about narrative.
There's no evidence newt "fucked over his wife" at all. He cheated, he divorced, so what?
Marriages don't work out all the time, oh well.
If it matters to you that's fine, but it doesn't to me.
His record is pretty sound, its as good as Clinton's, and clinton has far more infidelity on his record.
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That was forced on him by a GOP controlled House and Senate. The Govt shutdown in '95 was the result of Clinton refusing to sign balanced budgets that were passed by both the House and Senate. Guess who the House was led by? Yep, Newt Gingrich. The same House that forced welfare reform and that killed Hillary Care.
Read up on your history before you want to give Clinton credit for that. Clinton was forced to sign those budgets by the GOP. He didnt compromise, he had to surrender to save his chances for re-election.
the stories are conflicting, I remain skeptical on that. The court docs say that she wanted to reconcile.
So cause she wanted to reconcile he is supposed to give in?
Both his daughters wrote a vivid recollection of what happened. She chose to divorce him, and she's never said otherwise.
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All Obama has been doing is comprising in the WH since day one. Clinton had balls and he stuck to his guns. If Obama did the same you would be singing his praises right now. And also...congress.
That whole thing screams paid confession or coercion to me. They were his daughters after all. I guess it's something we'll never know anyway.
We can argue our opinions all day and get no where. Lets look at some facts:
In 08 when Obama was coming in to office our national debt was about 5 trillion...What is it now...15?
Therefore Obama sucks donkey dick.
You got one part wrong, debt when Obama took office was ~10T. Obama has added more to the national debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8 though.
We all know this was because of George Bush and the GOP in Congress, not Obama.
You clearly don't understand his policy. Do some more research.
He's not advocating MAKING kids work
His comment was why have 6 unionized janitors making 80k a year, when you could have 2, and 10 kids helping out.
Poor people want money, teach them how to work, how to earn and save money, its all voluntary
If you can't balance studying with work, you have bigger problems to worry about.
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Why would a kid have to work at 12-14? Unless they otherwise wanted to? I may be completely and utterly wrong on someone's policy, but in my eyes, working at that age does nothing for the child. It would be more beneficial to TEACH the art of saving, debt/income ratio's and how interest works than to just let them learn on the fly. Like they used to in high school before even you were there.
We may as well have kids work as soon as "reasonably" possible, as he so casually says. A 10 yr old on a PC could learn to write code for a web domain or manage a data library, since it isn't very hard and we should have him/her replace the 80-90k a yr earners who are adults with children who pay attention and pay them 9 an hr.
Oh, we could even have 4 kids and one adult drive a trash truck and replace the two men on the back to collect our garbage and replace his 60-70k a year job with kids who will take anything (100 a day) because it would be a great way for kids to learn responsiblity and give them a few dollars.
So yes, in my eyes, the kids will get nothing out of it but some money; because that may NOT be what a person would like to do, it took me till 24 to figure out what I have a nak for even without school in the way. Let the kids play, get in trouble, find out what is good for their minds. Hang out, game it, get wasted while they can. Because once you get into the working world, it's gone.
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Our problem is we breed this society that WANTS everything but don't breed people who want to work for it.
I guarantee you if one of the poor kids starts earning $100-200 a week and buying stuff the other kids will take notice.
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Proof positive you're fear mongering. Spare me the "OMG this leads to child slavery" crap.
Look poor in this country present a problem, there should be some solutions. Facts are that MOST parents especially in poor neighborhoods have little to no involvement with their children's life or education. They aren't involved. Some are lazy, some are trying to make ends meet working 12 hour days.
We have after school programs that don't work, we have people overemployed from UNIONS that waste our money.
Rather than have kids keep repeating the same cycle, offer them a choice. Offer them easy jobs AT THEIR SCHOOLfor a minimum wage.
It helps their family with extra income, it helps them with income, it instills a sense of pride in the school, teaches them work ethic, etc.
Oh no that's so terrible!
He's not FORCING anyone to do anything, he's merely saying why not make the choice available?
Why start work at 16 when you can start at 12-13 REASONABLY. your grandparents did it, your parents did it.
We have a society now that says wait until your 22-25 to start real work, cause God forbid you flip burgers at McDonald's.
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Back in the days kids were plowing fields at 12. Kids are entirely too sheltered now-a-days. I was helping my dad with major construction projects before I was 10, working with the same equipment that could seriously injure a child or a full grown adult.
I like how you can name me "something" because of how I believe a childhood should be. Our grandparents may have worked, but our grandparents also requested a labor law into existence. I WAS poor, I was raised in southern Ohio, (youtube Hillbilly Heroine), drugs rampant and an economically depressed area, always has and always will be.
I technically shouldn't even be as well off as I am using Newt's generalization of poor people. I was born poor, in a poor family in a poor part of America, in a dying city that declined from 26k to 20k before I even graduated. Per capita of 15k and 24% of us are below the poverty line, so... 24% of the poorer poor people in that city don't know how to work, would never want to work and can't work because they're poor. Though I doubt, ANY of them want to just sit there, in that dying city with no work and no money to move.
If the kids who worked at school made a lil money here and there and learned a thing, then the area's economy shouldn't be so depressed, right? Scioto County has a Jobs Corp, Community Action Organization, Portsmouth High School does actually pay students for work around the school and for activities in video production on ONN (Ohio News Network). Yet... none of them are better off, or since we can't actually pin-point it, some percentage of them are still as poor, if not more so, than they were in the beginning because the area doesn't offer a thing.
How does a union waste money? They didn't appear out of no where, a union is designed to care for and provide a livable wage to those who work in the union and to prevent being overworked and underpaid; which is also why unions are so hard to join. You have to be good at your role to maintain your position. It's not designed to give the union worker a wage where they can just simply exist. Have you ever been in a union? I know GA is all anti-union (or appear to be) and why there is so much struggling going on down there just to make ends meet. The tri-state area is heavily unionized still, the NE area also has a large portion of works in unions, Ohio used to be very unionized as well as the midwest. People moved for security and work.
9-5 with benefits a LIVABLE wage and even a bit of money for vacations with the family or to buy things you really dont need, for the hell of it, like our unionized government officials get. But oh, no, not a single person deserves to live well. Not a single family should be able to enjoy their lives, only a select few; those who aren't poor or just so happen to be raised in a poor area.
Newt would have a different tone if his job paid him only $20 an hour to be a policy marker/speaker/wannabe President. The Government is a union and their pay rates are MUCH higher than a person doing the same type of work in a private, non-union corp. They're clearly overpaid and we know it.
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But, I'm just an idiot who would rather see a society live well, than to be one of the few that live very well and have friends and family be much worse off than me. I went on a rant, but I hate that idea, especially since he seems to believe a poor person knows nothing and will never learn a thing, since they're poor.
"They have no habit's of showing up for work on Monday, they have no habit of staying all day, they have no habit of (I do this) and you give me cash... unless it's illegal." -Newt
A kid should be busy in school work, not working for nominal wage. But since Newt seems to think all poor people do illegal things for cash, I should be out selling drugs like the drug companies do and stacking my cash and get me a Cadillac, then go to prison, get out and do it again, this time, get two Cadillac's and run credit card scams on you "rich" folk. Since that's all I know how to do, being a poor person.
Also, on wasting money; I don't see how you could ignore Goldman Sachs waste; a wealthy employee at that firm makes 150-350k is more wasteful than a 60k union employee in an infrastructure company and the Sachs employee just does stuff in an office. Why can't pay the regular guy working in a labor union a reasonable salary? Then swear up and down that a union employee is lazy because his job is tiring and he wants to be off work at 5 after running 5 miles of pipe through your neighborhood? Since it needed to be replaced and is delivering your family fresh water, or repaving a road you drive on, or building your home, running cabling to your home for power/network connections. Those guys bust their ass and you got the balls to say (oh... you're a laborer, take a salary of 30k and suck it, you don't deserve a living wage, work harder and take overtime).
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And I'm sorry the Guy "laying pipe" didn't take that job cause he thought he was gonna make 200k a year.
It's a labor job ANYONE with minimal mental capacity can do. It pays accordingly.
Teachers usually are grossly underpaid, but who becomes a teacher expecting to be rich? No one, cause its an easy fucking job.
All your statements mean that you think you're smart enough to tell people who male vastly more money than you that they earn too much. What makes you so smart? What education level do you have?
Mediocre jobs pay mediocre wages. Sorry, we shouldn't legislate they pay more cause you wanna be lazy and make more.
The janitors make a ton of money because the unions extort local and city gpvts to provide jobs for them as kickbacks for votes. Do some research.
Google the teacher rubber room in new York or watch "waiting for Superman"
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I stopped reading at "livable wage"
Your argument is not cohesive and lacks any semblance to being rational. Did anyone say 12 year holds should be operating heavy machinery? 12 year old should be using buzzsaws and drill presses? How you get from "simple janitorial work " to child child slavery is beyond me. How you get from voluntary work for a school to kids being taken advantage of for profit to major corporations.....is beyond me.
Unions create economic inequality. They consistently over pay, over use, and make businesses uncompetitive. Unions stopped being about "proper wages" decades ago. Top union bosses make in the upper 6 figures usually for doing little to know work. They extort companies to over pay workers making them uncompetitve and forcing companies to outsource jobs.
The financials firm guys deserve whatever the market dictates they make. If it's 100 million, so what. I guarantee they are smarter than you and me put together times 1000.
Unlike you I don't hate the rich, I want to be rich.
But newt is right there is a lot of people, especially poor, who don't want to work for the their way up, they want it handed to them because they think they deserve it.
Your life is what you make it, I don't blame anyone if I'm broke buy myself. I'm not dumb enough to blame someone else, I can make myself as successful as I want to be.
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LMAO
I'm sorry. I'm sorry....I just......
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Ok ok. I'm done.
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TELL IT AGAIN HUMAN! LOL
I sit in a desk, in a cube, talking to people about installing ATM's. ANYONE can do this, but I can't go out there, in 20degree weather, in a pit, installing insulated piping for housing that hasn't been built up yet. Or the guy in the air, running the cabling between a new home and an existing line. I have an office job that does NOTHING to help society, but I make more than construction workers and some infrastructure workers. (Well ok, I would, but it's not for me).
Pipefitting is not a mediocre job, it is a very vital job, as are any of the infrastructure related businesses are. Your job could not function without their work, their "mediocre" work. I know if it wasn't for those lazy worker's your home wouldn't be there, you wouldn't have water, you wouldn't have power and you would have to drive through mud. But to Newt, these are poor people jobs, just as a janitor's job.
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WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?
I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?
So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?
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I know this comment isn't targeted at me, but let me flip it back at you. What makes you qualified to say what you do? Do you have a BS or Masters degree in economics or political science?
I never had a want to work for GS, I used that company as an example. Secondly, I was in college for something other than what I do now and went into 30k worth of debt at the hand of my dad and these laws for "college independence" (I was an independent student at Shawnee State Univ in Portsmouth, OH however, at ITT tech, I couldn't prove my independence) I would of been a graduate working for a tech company of sorts. But... since I was forced to waste 30k and earn no degree, I opted to run with my experience and some luck to work for JPMC. Had I not had the 30k worth of debt and just went with it, I would technically make more.
But my education level obviously has nothing to do with my pay nor does that poor argument mentioned by Newt make sense. I was poor as hell, my family is as well, but I sure know how to wake up and get to work and make money "legally". I went from 14k in 2006 to 40k in 2012 off pure experience.
About this me as a non-college degree holder. All education is; is some other people who did it before you, saving the data and returning it to someone else. No one KNEW how to build a home, but someone tried and learned from it, then other people tried from his initial design and refined it. No one knew how to make a car, a microchip, medicine or glass. But someone tried it and now it's all shared (just for a large price now) with others.
That GS exec may know how to toss money in the wrong places, but I could also toss money around in the wrong places, I wouldnt need to be educated by a school to do that. Also, I could just KNOW enough people and ask for employement. They'd make a way or ask me to perform a few functions leading to the job offer to make things look "normal" and then, WOW, I'm suddenly an employee of GS, ballin like an idiot.
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