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WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

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In all seriousness though, that is the most uneducated statement you've ever made. Ever. The only correct part of that was that educators are grossly underpaid. And I don't think you even fully understand that

I know in your fantasy world, being a teacher, plumber, electrician, construction worker looks easy, but it's far from it. I can tell you have zero experience doing any of that.

And before you rebuttal, fixing a pipe under your sink one time a while back does not qualify you to be a plumber or have any plumbing skills.

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

AS A WHOLE, teaching is an easy profession to get into sorry

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Very far from the truth. It takes more than a 4 year degree nowadays, which is farther in education than the majority of Americans have completed in addition to needing certifications and/or licenses.


The problem with it being legal with kids working is not that there is anything wrong with able bodied kids working a few hours here and there. It's that parents and others could take advantage of it and would thus create problems. Vteckid what if your parents made you work 30-40 hours a week starting from when you were 13? Do you think you would be able to get a good education and still have a good childhood? I don't think so. This is an extreme example but it could and very possibly would happen.

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My moms a 20 year educator, teacher of the year 2 years in a row, and I was home schooled. I know a TON about education.

AS A WHOLE, teaching is an easy profession to get into sorry

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On one hand you said teaching is a cake job, then cite your mom as a testimony of how hard of a job teaching is, then on the other, you say teaching is an easy job to get into....?

You're comparing apples to a salad

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Very far from the truth. It takes more than a 4 year degree nowadays, which is farther in education than the majority of Americans have completed in addition to needing certifications and/or licenses.

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Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

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In all seriousness though, that is the most uneducated statement you've ever made. Ever. The only correct part of that was that educators are grossly underpaid. And I don't think you even fully understand that

I know in your fantasy world, being a teacher, plumber, electrician, construction worker looks easy, but it's far from it. I can tell you have zero experience doing any of that.

And before you rebuttal, fixing a pipe under your sink one time a while back does not qualify you to be a plumber or have any plumbing skills.

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

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I know this comment isn't targeted at me, but let me flip it back at you. What makes you qualified to say what you do? Do you have a BS or Masters degree in economics or political science?

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Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

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Now who is double talking.

I said teaching is an easy job up get into, my mom is the 1%, she deserves more money, but MOST teachers don't hold a degree, they are certified, my mom has a masters.

Its an easy profession to do, I didn't say all teachers are do nothings.

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Educating isn't an easy job, but you don't need a 4 year degree to do it. Degrees are only preferred. There are a couple certification tests you take. If you can pass you're in.

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In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

He's saying people make too much money while advocating taking their money.

I'm telling him blue collar jobs pay blue collar wages because that's what they demand. If plumbers made a million dollars , we would require a lot more education and skills.

There's a reason labor force make lower wages.

Fyi I'm in the IT labor force because it pays better, I was in the Automotive labor force and got out because it sucked

As for my economic expertise, I owned my own business, ran multiple other small businesses, well. I think I know what it takes to run a small business, and own a small business, and work for a small business. And I'm an accountant.

And I invest. I study the economy

Political science wise, I'm just a junkie I read 2-3 books a month and write op-eds for local publications

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In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

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Not true, you can be certified and have a job

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He's saying people make too much money while advocating taking their money.

I'm telling him blue collar jobs pay blue collar wages because that's what they demand. If plumbers made a million dollars , we would require a lot more education and skills.

There's a reason labor force make lower wages.

Fyi I'm in the IT labor force because it pays better, I was in the Automotive labor force and got out because it sucked

As for my economic expertise, I owned my own business, ran multiple other small businesses, well. I think I know what it takes to run a small business, and own a small business, and work for a small business. And I'm an accountant.

And I invest. I study the economy

Political science wise, I'm just a junkie I read 2-3 books a month and write op-eds for local publications

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Sorry but a job's salary is NOT dependent upon education. There are a lot of jobs that pay shit but have moderate to high educational requirements, the the converse is true as well. The smart thing to do is to get an education in a field that is lucrative like healthcare and IT.

It's cool that you owed your own business, but owning a small business with 1-3 employees and grossing 100K(and netting much less) annually makes you qualified to preach about economics and politics in such a fashion that we should your words as fact?

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Originally Posted by RL...

In GA you need atleast a 4 year degree, this is a fact.

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My mistake. I'll just tell my wife (degreed and triple certified educator), my sister in law (degreed and certified educator) and my mother in law (certified educator, no 4yr degree) that they're full of shit. Lol

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My mistake. I'll just tell my wife (degreed and triple certified educator), my sister in law (degreed and certified educator) and my mother in law (certified educator, no 4yr degree) that they're full of shit. Lol

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I apologize if you felt I was degrading your family, that wasn't my intention. I was not saying all teachers are stupid or lazy.

My point was no one becomes a teacher to become rich, probably a bad example to tell the truth

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Sorry but a job's salary is NOT dependent upon education. There are a lot of jobs that pay shit but have moderate to high educational requirements, the the converse is true as well. The smart thing to do is to get an education in a field that is lucrative like healthcare and IT.

It's cool that you owed your own business, but owning a small business with 1-3 employees and grossing 100K(and netting much less) annually makes you qualified to preach about economics and politics in such a fashion that we should your words as fact?

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Don't listen to me I don't care LOL I'm just discussing.

he asked my credentials

I'm just saying newt wasn't advocating child slavery, and I never heard him say "poorvpeople should only do poor jobs"

And we should act like every millionaire is Bernie Madoff

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Originally Posted by Vteckidd

WWhat's stopping you from going to work for GS? you know that's where the money is, so go do it?

I never understood the thinking that you, a non college degree 40k ish a year, think yous know what it takes to be a wall street millionaire. What makes you qualified to say " they don't do anything". How do you know what they do? If they make GS 100 million why shouldn't they make 10 million a year?

So you would rather take their wealth away, and arbitrarily give it to someone else, rather than justvtry to achieve their level of success?

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I never had a want to work for GS, I used that company as an example. Secondly, I was in college for something other than what I do now and went into 30k worth of debt at the hand of my dad and these laws for "college independence" (I was an independent student at Shawnee State Univ in Portsmouth, OH however, at ITT tech, I couldn't prove my independence) I would of been a graduate working for a tech company of sorts. But... since I was forced to waste 30k and earn no degree, I opted to run with my experience and some luck to work for JPMC. Had I not had the 30k worth of debt and just went with it, I would technically make more.

But my education level obviously has nothing to do with my pay nor does that poor argument mentioned by Newt make sense. I was poor as hell, my family is as well, but I sure know how to wake up and get to work and make money "legally". I went from 14k in 2006 to 40k in 2012 off pure experience.

About this me as a non-college degree holder. All education is; is some other people who did it before you, saving the data and returning it to someone else. No one KNEW how to build a home, but someone tried and learned from it, then other people tried from his initial design and refined it. No one knew how to make a car, a microchip, medicine or glass. But someone tried it and now it's all shared (just for a large price now) with others.

That GS exec may know how to toss money in the wrong places, but I could also toss money around in the wrong places, I wouldnt need to be educated by a school to do that. Also, I could just KNOW enough people and ask for employement. They'd make a way or ask me to perform a few functions leading to the job offer to make things look "normal" and then, WOW, I'm suddenly an employee of GS, ballin like an idiot.

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I apologize if you felt I was degrading your family, that wasn't my intention. I was not saying all teachers are stupid or lazy.

My point was no one becomes a teacher to become rich, probably a bad example to tell the truth

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I was just correcting RL. He was misinformed about teachers qualifications. Lol

Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

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Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

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It was my choice to pursue my education, it was not my choice to somehow enroll and they accept me as in "independent" the spend all the money, THEN tell me "oh wait, you aren't independent here, so either produce your father's tax info or get out." So no, it wasn't my choice to waste the money, it was my choice to pursue my education and I did, but was not rewarded for it.

I work for JP Morgan.

I also dont see how you can say someone should make so little for what they're job may be. I made this totally personal but I am trying to make a point. Newt's generalization of a poor person and the child labor law being dismissed by him are ridiculous.

GS - Complex? What did they do? Get saved by the tax payers and poor folk for them to make countless bad decisions that they can run from and lol? I WISH I could make terrible investments in this complex world and mess up and get paid large sums of cash for messing up.

And no not everyone can just come in and do this, but it isn't difficult. I "couldn't" do it when I first started, but with 3 days of training, omg, I can do it. All you have to do is pay attention and get through an interview then refine your work. That's like me doubting Bill Gates for him not finishing Harvard who's extreme income outweighs his education level.

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Sucks you went 30k in debt, but that was your choice right? I didn't force you to do that. The GS guy didn't force you.

So you never WANTED to work at GS yet you think you know about complex financial markets? Or what it is a GS employee does?

What about a JP Morgan guy? BOA?

I just don't see how you can say someone makes too much when you have no clue what their job is.

Fyi if it was so easy everyone would do it.

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lol lol... I have read all of your posts and it seems as if you've never been in the position where you have 3 kids that are hungry and you can't afford to feed them because you work 40 hours a week and get underpaid. Dude, it's easy to talk out your ass when you're balling. That's the problem. People with this mentality have either always been balling or were poor at one point, stepped up in life and are now full of themselves and think everyone has lived under their same circumstances and has had the same opportunities.

And I bet you rather sit in an office and do what they do than wake up at 2am in the winter to lay pipe lol if you say otherwise you are lying. I have done all these jobs and our lives are 10x more at risk. I'm not saying we should get paid more but those politicians are certainly over paid and the person that made their water possible and them live comfortably working 2x as hard, breaking the night endangering their lives makes only $9 like I did laying pipe and fixing water mains whenever they called not mattering the time I had to be there. Sometimes at 2am with 30 degree weather, water being frozen and mud in the dark with no sleep because I had just worked 10 hours and got called on an emergency.

Luckily I graduate from school in 4 months as a Web Developer. I am working my way up but not everyone has this opportunity.

Ehhh we just disagree, I can't type that much on my phone.

GS guys make money for a reason. I don't pretend to act like I know what they do to determine their salary. But I'm willing to bet your average wall street financial guy has better qualifications than your average plumber or teacher or fireman.

Sucks about your college experience.

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Ehhh we just disagree, I can't type that much on my phone.

GS guys make money for a reason. I don't pretend to act like I know what they do to determine their salary. But I'm willing to bet your average wall street financial guy has better qualifications than your average plumber or teacher or fireman.

Sucks about your college experience.

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I'm willing to bet I know people that are more qualified than they are, and smarter overall with more degrees, etc... that make a fraction of their money working 10x as hard.
I would have to say it's not all about what you know... sometimes it's about knowing how to take advantage of certain opportunities, situations, etc... and alot of times it is who you know.

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lol lol... I have read all of your posts and it seems as if you've never been in the position where you have 3 kids that are hungry and you can't afford to feed them because you work 40 hours a week and get underpaid. Dude, it's easy to talk out your ass when you're balling. That's the problem. People with this mentality have either always been balling or were poor at one point, stepped up in life and are now full of themselves and think everyone has lived under their same circumstances and has had the same opportunities.

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Its not my problem you had three kids. I chose not too cause I couldn't afford it.

I made 14000 a year, now I make a lot more. I had no degree, no training, no experience, I was TIRED OF BEING POOR. I worked hard, got certified, got experience, furthered my education, etc.

I just chose not to worsen my situation by having kids or making other dumb mistakes (although I've done some stupid shit in my life)

Opportunity is everywhere. You just have to want to succeed. If you have 3 kids before 30 with no degree and no career, that sucks, but that's YOUR FAULT. Take responsibility.

I get up at 6 am EVERYDAY and get home at 8-830. I work hard. I used to work 40-60 hours a week at shit jobs, I hated it.

I don't come from money. I rememeber having $47 in my checking acct not being ably to pay rent for 1 week till I was paid again.


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And I bet you rather sit in an office and do what they do than wake up at 2am in the winter to lay pipe lol if you say otherwise you are lying. I have done all these jobs and our lives are 10x more at risk. I'm not saying we should get paid more but those politicians are certainly over paid and the person that made their water possible and them live comfortably working 2x as hard, breaking the night way up but not everyone has this opportunity.

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Sucks but that's the job, if you don't like it change it. But you shouldn't bash others jobs becausecyou hate your own.

Nothing's stopping you from moving up but yourself, your choices, and your motivation

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I'm willing to bet I know people that are more qualified than they are, and smarter overall with more degrees, etc... that make a fraction of their money working 10x as hard.
I would have to say it's not all about what you know... sometimes it's about knowing how to take advantage of certain opportunities, situations, etc... and alot of times it is who you know.

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So? I'm persoanlly smarter than 90% of the business owners I know, some are millionaire's, so what.

It is who you know, so make connections, what's stopping you?

It comes down to how bad you want something. Its far easier to complain about someone else than it is to change your situation.

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Don't be scared LOL post it

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Don't be scared LOL post it

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I have no kids I'm only 21 no kids about to graduate with an assciates in web development/ wed graphic design like I said in 4 months. Also plan on turning it into a bachelors by the time I'm 25. and by the time I'm 27 I want to acquire a bachelors in business administration and by the time I'm 30 have my own business.
I personally know people in that situation.
I am broke though lol mostly because I spend all my money in cars which I will stop once I complete my s14 build and just maintain it. Before the year is over I want to own my house though. I want to take advantage of the economy and how cheap houses are at the moment.
I am changing my situation by doing what I stated above.
and most importantly... the person I decide to marry must be educated with a good job or the potential to have one lol. which I believe I am almost there lol :)
I want to make some connections... I just need help on how to. if you think you can help me PM me. SERIOUSLY..

Sounds like you're doing good, much better than me at that age. Keep at it.

Web development is good but very saturated. Everyone proclaims they are "graphic design" nowadays and big problem is you have people who greatly undercut your industry. Its like web design. Some people charge $1000-2000 some do it for free, your consumers rarely know quality from crap.

I'm mainly in network and systems IT, not tough but lots of jobs. CCNA and a security cert you can make 70-80k a year no degree.

Best thing you can do is be aggressive getting clients, seperate yourself from your competition somehow. Owning your own business your pretty much sales

Newt Gingrich everyone...::facepalm::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=5dv-T_nXN1M

That's his opinion, he thinks you need to have belief in something greater than yourself to wield that kind of power. What's wrong with that?

I don't agree with it, but its opinion. I'm glad he answered honestly

It's an opinion that's stupid as shit. It's funny how Newt talks about God but then he's had several divorces with different women and he's committed adultery which is blatently against the 7th commandment. He obviously doesn't give a fuck about the promise that he's made to God so GTFO with that BS. That's the problem with politicians, they miss the point. Running a country has NOTHING to do with religion. It has to do with economics, taking care of people, foreign policy, leadership, common sense, and basically overall intelligence. I hate how religious people think just because others don't follow their path they can't do a job job that they can do. They think they are better than everyone....I want a president that doesn't condemn others just because of their religion, I mean damn I thought we were in 2012.

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That's his opinion, he thinks you need to have belief in something greater than yourself to wield that kind of power. What's wrong with that?

I don't agree with it, but its opinion. I'm glad he answered honestly

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Whats wrong with that? Its rhetoric like that that perpetuates anti-religious discrimination and the stereotype that atheists aren't worthy of trust. If you replaced "atheist" with christian, republican, black, hispanic, or indian, there would be outrage. Its baffling that he is taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And judging by his track record, he should be the LAST person telling people how god works

You're acting pretty holier than thou.

His infidelity is wrong,but I though Christians believe in forgiveness. You have to ask yourself has he changed. I think he has, I think it happened 15 years ago, and he cheated on his second wife, not the 1st IIRC.

He's not condemning aethiests, he's just saying " I'd have a hard time voting for one for president"

That's his opinion, its not yours.

Personally I'd have no problem with it, or even a Muslim. But they didn't ask me

You guys jump way off base over the dumbest shit, clinton was a HORRIBLE MORAL PRESIDENT but I didn't give two shits, he got stuff done.

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Whats wrong with that? Its rhetoric like that that perpetuates anti-religious discrimination and the stereotype that atheists aren't worthy of trust. If you replaced "atheist" with christian, republican, black, hispanic, or indian, there would be outrage. Its baffling that he is taken seriously as a presidential candidate. And judging by his track record, he should be the LAST person telling people how god works

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I just think you're reaching pretty far, comparing race to someone saying HE THINKS you should believe in God to be president.

He said " I wouldn't trust someone who doesn't have faith in someone greater than himself". (Paraphrased )

Wtf is wrong with that. He think you should be held accountable to a higher power, everyone makes mistakes, especially him.

I see no problem with it, its far less inflammatory than Obama sitting in a black racist Jeremiah Wrights church forc20 years, but I don't think Obama is racist.

You guys should be consistent on your bashing

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You're acting pretty holier than thou.

His infidelity is wrong,but I though Christians believe in forgiveness. You have to ask yourself has he changed. I think he has, I think it happened 15 years ago, and he cheated on his second wife, not the 1st IIRC.

He's not condemning aethiests, he's just saying " I'd have a hard time voting for one for president"

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Holier than thou? How is that? A man in a public forum says he doesnt believe atheists are worthy of holding a position of power and trust, and the audience applauds. Is that not spreading the stereotype?

If I were asked the same question during my campaign, my answer would be "Absolutey. If one were so qualified to do the job, which belief in a deity does not exclude or preclude, then I would trust his decision making power. Furthermore, as an atheist myself, I would maintain that the separation of church and state would be absolutely separate, and the economic decisions I make will be based solely on knowledge, experience, science, and fact."

If I went up there and said "I dont think Christians should be president because they put all their trust in some imaginary being", I would get booed off the stage, and then stoned out in the parking lot

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If I went up there and said "I dont think Christians should be president because they put all their trust in some imaginary being", I would get booed off the stage, and then stoned out in the parking lot

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Not by me, I would respect your opinion.

Its called faith, some believe some don't. A VAST majority of the country believes, and apparently so does he, so he answered it accordingly, and people cheered.

They cheered because they are probably Christians, which he knew obviously.

Atheists hate Christians, and Christians hate atheists. You would rather they think like you, which OS why I despise religion in the first place. Believing/not believing is fine, its this notion that you think you're right that pisses me off.

Atheists do it, Christians do it

Honestly religious question like that are stupid, they should be left out of politics. Its so inconsequential it doesn't need to be asked.

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Honestly religious question like that are stupid, they should be left out of politics. Its so inconsequential it doesn't need to be asked.

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So if it's inconsequential, then why would he respond to it? He could have been smart about it and not said anything about it. He brought it up! It speaks to his character in that he thinks atheists are beneath him.

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So if it's inconsequential, then why would he respond to it? He could have been smart about it and not said anything about it. He brought it up! It speaks to his character in that he thinks atheists are beneath him.

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uh, cause hes trying to win an election, duh. I dont think he thinks they are beneath him, i think he answered the question "WOULD YOU BE OK WITH A PRESIDENT WHO WAS ATHEIST"

his answer was "NO, I WOULDNT TRUST SOMEONE WHO DIDNT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER POWER" , thats his OPINION.

I bet you 1000$ Obama tonight talks about DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION , even though hes done absolutely NOTHING about lessening our dependence on foreign oil. ITs because he wants to win an election.

It really doesnt bother me at all.

The question probably shouldnt have been asked in the first place

He definitely gave the impression that athiests are beneath him. I'm NOT an athiest and even I got offended by that.

Honestly I don't even know why I care about this at all, I love this country but ALL of our politicians are corrupt as hell and I can't really say one of them is really any better than the others. Atleast Ron Paul seems honest to me.