Arizona immigration law....

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But if they want to do that they already can. Nothing changes in that respect. The only difference is the penalty is more severe for their crimes.

We must be talking in circles around each other. Being able to consider such general traits as legitimate "probable cause" is different from now. Name one other law where race can even be considered a part of probable cause. Robbery? Murder? Rape? No, No, No.

This contradicts your own argument that you make later about agreeing with checking status when applying for employment. That also has to do with commerce and in that case it isnt even someone sworn to uphold the law doing the checks.

Wasn't my argument, its the US Supreme Court's (see Wicakrd v Filburn). You can take it up with them.

For the same reason its illegal to cook your own meth, the final product is illegal in all 50 states. This is a Blender like statement and I was sure you were more intelligent than he is.

Well in that case, could you please point me to where in the constitution it says the federal government can delare substances illegal? Or are you trying to say that the FEDERAL Controlled Substance Act is not a federal law?

Considering the feds are making absolutely no attempt to enforce the law it has forced states, az being the first, but not the last, to do it for them. Again, you cannot find a single piece of this law that impedes the feds from enforcing their own laws. This law simply does what the feds should be doing themselves.

Then AZ should sue the federal government. That is the appropriate response. And the federal government doesn't have to prove they are impeding anything. If they say the state is impeding them on something that is federal jurisdiction, that's all the have to do.

If you are against police enforcing the laws concerning the security of our border then you are against securing the border, it really is that simple. If that is not the case then I would love to hear how you think we should secure the border without enforcing any of the laws designed to help secure it.

I think the federal government should be enforcing them unless they ask for the state's help...period. It's a pretty simple concept called division of responsibilities. I already stated what to do if the fed isn't enforcing the law.

So you are all for wasting time and resources on people that are obviously not the criminals you are looking for in order to appease the criminals and those that support their behavior? That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Also by your own reasoning, only the fed govt should be able to do that. How can you even attempt to make an argument that businesses should have access to and be able to make use of that info, but police cannot?

The VAST majority of the problem on the US/Mexico border is latino illegals. Quit letting political correctness get in the way of common sense and simply admit it. From there you can just as easily admit that if you do specificly target illegals then you will arrest a disproportionate about of latinos compared to other races. That is not racism like you liberals want to assume. That is simply using common sense to combat a problem.

I don't actually support the impractical examples I gave, I was just saying that they would be more just. The VAST majority of illegal immigrants in AZ are Latino. I never claimed otherwise so please don't act like I did. The point is, you don't punish ALL Latino's for it. Just like my IRS example. If 95% of tax fraud is perpetrated by rich whites, that doesn't mean you start only auditing rich whites. I don't care how effective it is, it is morally reprehensable to me.

Obviously we have different morals. Your's say, do whatever it takes, mine say the end doesn't justify the means.