ANY argument on why marijuana should be illegal just got proven wrong

[99hatch]

Look, arguing over the internet ALWAYS ends up with people attacking each others posts and grammar, calling each other dumbasses. The fact is, Marijuana is not as bad as the government makes it out to be. Just like it used to be legal and Alcohol is illegal. It shouldnt be illegal, it is just a plant, it grows naturally. Its been here for the length of the world, like other plants. Its not addictive, its not dangerous, its not as bad as its made it out to be. No one in the history of pot has ever O.D.ed on it. The smoke is bad for you, yes, like any smoke, but there are ways around that. You dont have to smoke it. You can season food with it, inhale it with vapors, etc.

[thecrazyone]

The funny part is that you're the pothead - I'm not. LOL. Never have smoked, never needed it - never will.

Have fun changing the law (not) or have fun breaking it.

You tell me that u agree that weed is getting stronger then post a link that diasgrees with you - LOL. You don't have the IQ for me pothead. LOL. The 1st part of YOUR LINK says "Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past" - LOL. That means that YOUR LINK is saying that it's a MYTH - LMFAO. Dummy. Ha ha --- then you come back with you're very own "thecrazyone" interpretation of that paragraph which doesn't even make sense. LOL.... it's people like you who prove OTHER people's point so perfectly. LOL.

Call your congressman - see what he can do for ya.

WATCH THE MOVIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[JdM_EJ2]

i say all those who smoke should just roll a blunt and spark that hoe...those that dont smoke...do whatever it is you do besides smoke lol

[BanginJimmy]

TIt shouldnt be illegal, it is just a plant, it grows naturally. Its been here for the length of the world, like other plants.

Opium comes from a naturally occurring plant also. So by your reasoning all opiates should also be legal.

Its not addictive, its not dangerous, its not as bad as its made it out to be.

Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

[thecrazyone]

Opium comes from a naturally occurring plant also. So by your reasoning all opiates should also be legal.



Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

You REALLY need to watch this movie. sooo ignorant.

There is no inherent chemical in weed that makes it addictive(unlike nicotine) or make you want to to harder drugs.

LOL marijuana is HABIT forming, if you smoke it for years, when you stop one day its goin to be weird and you/re not used toit, but there is no withdrawals which is a big part of addiction. and A LOT less physical symptoms i.e sweating, anxiousness, etc, its not crack for christ sake.

ALSO Did you know, the government gets to say its the most addictive drug solely because most people who get busted for pot choose a drug class over jail, once in that drug class they are a statistic. and since so many people smoke and get caught its the largest statitic.



EDIT: Lets see how someone else can put it into words...

In order to answer this question, we first need a definition of the word, "Addicted". Not too long ago, an addictive subtance was something that, when taken long enough, produced gross phsyiogical changes in the way the body worked, so that normal operation of the body was impossible without that substance being injested. And as the substance must, by definition, form a tolerance, higher and higher dosages (up to a point) were needed. This is the defintion of "additictive" I'm going to use for this explanation. Addictive is not the same as "habituating". Habituatingsubstances, using this definition, are things you crave, may even come to need, but do not create a gross physiological change in the way your body works (trace neurological/neurochemical changes can and do happen but, they're quite minor, and they aren't always substance-related: stroking a pet for instance, can cause such trace effects).

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

The active ingredient in Cannibis sativa is THC (delta 1 tetrahydrocannibinol). THC is active in very low dosages. Therapeutic THC is typically delivered 5mg tid (three times a day). As addiction in the sense I mean it is a gross process, tiny dosages typically don't generate the large-scale physiological changes a true addiction needs to get revved up (neurological yes; physio no). So most people, scientists and street-users, think of marijuana as non-addictive. A recent study at Columbia University offers potentially contradictory evidence, but it's still only one study and not accepted as universal fact at this time. As such, if you say THC is not clinically addictive, most of the world will agree with you.

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

In cases of marijuana habituation, I think the causal factors are obscure. With addictive drugs, we can see clear, obvious, repeatable effects in terms of addiction. With marijuana, we see far less predictable results. And why these results are not as predictable is not clear.

The basic fact is that most marijunana uses (maybe all marijuana users) do not display signs of addiction (as defined above)

TRY ME.

[thecrazyone]

Find me ANY proof that MJ is in no way addictive and I can prove otherwise. I will give you a little hint, physical addiction is not the only form of addiction.

Whats funny is if you ask anyone who actually smokes pot, they can tell you its not addicting, its that simple, how do you know so much about something you know nothing about. yea i said it.

[David88vert]

EDIT: Lets see how other can put it into words...

In order to answer this question, we first need a definition of the word, "Addicted". Not too long ago, an addictive subtance was something that, when taken long enough, produced gross phsyiogical changes in the way the body worked, so that normal operation of the body was impossible without that substance being injested. And as the substance must, by definition, form a tolerance, higher and higher dosages (up to a point) were needed. This is the defintion of "additictive" I'm going to use for this explanation. Addictive is not the same as "habituating". Habituatingsubstances, using this definition, are things you crave, may even come to need, but do not create a gross physiological change in the way your body works (trace neurological/neurochemical changes can and do happen but, they're quite minor, and they aren't always substance-related: stroking a pet for instance, can cause such trace effects).

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

The active ingredient in Cannibis sativa is THC (delta 1 tetrahydrocannibinol). THC is active in very low dosages. Therapeutic THC is typically delivered 5mg tid (three times a day). As addiction in the sense I mean it is a gross process, tiny dosages typically don't generate the large-scale physiological changes a true addiction needs to get revved up (neurological yes; physio no). So most people, scientists and street-users, think of marijuana as non-addictive. A recent study at Columbia University offers potentially contradictory evidence, but it's still only one study and not accepted as universal fact at this time. As such, if you say THC is not clinically addictive, most of the world will agree with you.

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

In cases of marijuana habituation, I think the causal factors are obscure. With addictive drugs, we can see clear, obvious, repeatable effects in terms of addiction. With marijuana, we see far less predictable results. And why these results are not as predictable is not clear.

The basic fact is that most marijunana uses (maybe all marijuana users) do not display signs of addiction (as defined above)

TRY ME.

Nice copy and paste from WikiAnswers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_marijuana_addictive

WikiAnswers is a much more reputable resource than the Journal of the American Medical Association, right?

The fact is that marijuana dependancy is low, but it does exist.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT


And, of course, random people on WikiAnswers are more reliable that the US DOJ, right? The attached image is from the DEA's 2008 report on marijuana in the US. Is shows the rate of dependency in the US.

Here's a suggestion - if you say "try me", have some real documentation from some reliable, established sources first, not random quotes from individuals that have not established their authority on the issue. The person that you quoted as an authority wrote these Wiki Answer's - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Special:Co...p:ID1262466065 - the majority were about Cinderella - great source.....

[thecrazyone]

The attached image is from the DEA's 2008 report on marijuana in the US. Is shows the rate of dependency in the US.

You REALLY need to watch this movie. sooo ignorant.

ALSO Did you know, the government gets to say its the most addictive drug solely because most people who get busted for pot choose a drug class over jail, once in that drug class they are a statistic. and since so many people smoke and get caught its the largest statitic.


TRY ME.

[PSINXS]

ever try to get and maintain a good job while smoking weed?????


thats what i thought

yes and I have. although i dont anymore, but its really not that hard. its better than the alcoholics ive seen come to work.

[PSINXS]

I do not want some1 working on my car that smoke spot.

I don't want some1 teaching my daughter that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 flying my plane that smokes pot.

I do not want some1 that works at my bank that smokes pot.

I can go on - but you get the point.

--> There are LOTS of people who do not smoke pot JUST bc it's illegal even though they want to - and I like it that way.

Too late for all of that. Sorry most of your service providers are smoking pot. And some are high on the job and you dont even know it. Ive worked at several auto shops and its rare u find a tech that doesnt smoke. and some did their best work high. its just how society is. I have hung out with doctors that smoke, teachers, managers, etc. they may not do it on the job(some may) but the fact is they smoke pot. it doesnt make them any less succesful or smarter.


I am a former avid user of marijuana. I dont smoke right now, beacause i no longer have the time, money, or desire to smoke. I maintained a 3.6 GPA at gwinnett tech, and graduated with honors. It didnt make me slack in school, be lazy a bout work, etc. Those are PERSONALITY FLAWS. Marijuana is bad because its illegal. If we swap marijuana and alocohol, then the argument would reverse, just alcohol would lose horribly. Marijuana was given a bad light by racism, and corporations not wanting to lose money to its many uses for textile production and the fact pharmaceutical companies couldnt regulate it. do some research.

[BABY J]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

[thecrazyone]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

i know who smoke



and i know a guy that designs nuclear equipment that LOVES to smoke, he's rich as ball's and sits in his huge house all day smokin

[PSINXS]

^^ I never said that it doesn't happen. Maybe you need to learn what "I don't want" means.

case in point is what you dont want does not matter. so y bother?

[BanginJimmy]

Whats funny is if you ask anyone who actually smokes pot, they can tell you its not addicting, its that simple, how do you know so much about something you know nothing about. yea i said it.

What gives you the impression that I know nothing about it?

And most people that use meth can tell you that they arent addicted either. They just let it consume their life because they like it. Alcoholics typically say they dont have a problem, even when everyone says they do.

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

Read the section about physical effects and under the heading of "Is Marijuana addictive?". You will find exactly what I said. There is no real proof of physical addiction, but there is plenty of evidence to call it psychologically addictive.

[thecrazyone]

What gives you the impression that I know nothing about it?

And most people that use meth can tell you that they arent addicted either. They just let it consume their life because they like it. Alcoholics typically say they dont have a problem, even when everyone says they do.

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp

Read the section about physical effects and under the heading of "Is Marijuana addictive?". You will find exactly what I said. There is no real proof of physical addiction, but there is plenty of evidence to call it psychologically addictive.

HABIT FORMING, get it right

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

[PSINXS]

arent most addictions psychological anyways? an addiction depends on what a person will allow their mind to tell them.

and my question is this, If you smoke y do u care what a nonsmoker thinks? enjoy yourself.

and if you dont smoke, y do u give a fuck about the people that do? mind your goddamn business. if i am not standing next to you blowing clouds in your face, shut up about what I do on my personal time.
thats like me telling u not to masturbate to porn because I think its wrong. as long as you arent skeeting on my carpet, whack it till it falls off.

Sometimes an opinon should be kept where it started, with yourself.

[BanginJimmy]

HABIT FORMING, get it right

In the cases of alcohol and barbituates, the addiction, in the sense I describe, is very strong. Stopping these drugs suddenly for extreme addictions usually will require hospitalization, additional medication to treat symptoms of withdrawal and, especially, in the case of barbituates, may result in death. Lesser addictions like heroin or opioids can also cause withdrawl syndromes, although not as strongly as ethanol or barbituates, and opiate withdrawal is not fatal (barring the existance of other factors).

Can marijuana be habituating? Absolutely -- but not universally. Just as some people definately use Marijuana in a manner that can only be described as a habit, some have used marijuana for years but not in a habitual pattern. While the same can be said for alcohol, it seems that alcoholics really do set up a regular pattern of extensive use that I personally don't see nearly as frequently in marijuana users.

How is habit forming different than addictive in anything more than a technical sense? I know people that smoked cigs for many years then quit with little to no withdrawal issues, and I know people that have tried everything under the sun to quit and still not work. Some people are simply just more preordained to addiction than others.

Its the same as a gambling addiction. There isnt physical addiction at all. It is a purely psychological one.

[BanginJimmy]

arent most addictions psychological anyways? an addiction depends on what a person will allow their mind to tell them.

Not at all. There are actual measurable physical effects that some drugs have that will cause an addict real pain from withdrawal. These are caused by chemical reactions in the brain.

and if you dont smoke, y do u give a fuck about the people that do? mind your goddamn business. if i am not standing next to you blowing clouds in your face, shut up about what I do on my personal time.

When does this end though? What happens with those that commit crimes for the drugs? Dont give me the BS about people dont commit crimes because of weed either.

[PSINXS]

Not at all. There are actual measurable physical effects that some drugs have that will cause an addict real pain from withdrawal. These are caused by chemical reactions in the brain.





When does this end though? What happens with those that commit crimes for the drugs? Dont give me the BS about people dont commit crimes because of weed either.

thats a small number of drugs with PHYSICAL dependency, alcohol being one of them. but we r talking about weed.

Ppl commit crimes for anything! stealing candy, stealing beer, robbing drug dealers for weed or cash or whatever, robbing banks for money.

wow, this place is peachy clean and crime free, weed would just ruin everything wtf are you thinking? crime is and always will be here. whether weed is legal or not.

[BanginJimmy]

wtf are you thinking? crime is and always will be here. whether weed is legal or not.

In that case, the same could be said of meth, coke, and hero. Maybe all of those should be completely legal also.

[seriousb13]

In that case, the same could be said of meth, coke, and hero. Maybe all of those should be completely legal also.

Don't compare weed to meth, coke, and heroin. Weed is no where close in being harmful.

[99hatch]

I am a former avid user of marijuana. I dont smoke right now, beacause i no longer have the time, money, or desire to smoke. I maintained a 3.6 GPA at gwinnett tech, and graduated with honors. It didnt make me slack in school, be lazy a bout work, etc. Those are PERSONALITY FLAWS. Marijuana is bad because its illegal. If we swap marijuana and alocohol, then the argument would reverse, just alcohol would lose horribly. Marijuana was given a bad light by racism, and corporations not wanting to lose money to its many uses for textile production and the fact pharmaceutical companies couldnt regulate it. do some research.

Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:

1. Marijuana is a natural Medicine. It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact.

2. The molecular make up of the plant is a compound molecule that several other pharmaceutical drugs have taken parts of out of Marijuana and are on the market right now. Specifically anti depressants, and numerous others. Those of you against it, may realized that you are taking parts of the drug right now, but because it was broken down in a test tube and branded as something else, its ok, in your eyes and the government.

3. The Pharmaceutical industry is the #1 money making industry in America making over 960 Billion dollars a year. A natural drug that you can take, and helps with over 200 ailments would put a dent in this business. So even the money they would make from taxing it would not make up for the loss of business.

4. What business in America is the Government trying to take over right now. The Health care industry. So they would prefer you take all these other "legal" drugs that they can charge you for, that one that is dirt cheap to make yourself.

5. What is the #2 money making business in America. Private Prisons. In the last 20 years just the state of Texas has built over 70 new prisions. ~80% of all people incarcerated in the USA are for drugs. Roughly 4/5 of these are for Marijuana. Its big business. Plus if the government was to go back and legalized weed, they would have to admit that the ~7 Billion dollars a year that goes into "war on drugs" would be mostly a mistake. They would have to free up several people in prison for selling and/or growing Marijuana. This wont happen. We all know the Government wont admit they are wrong about anything, especially something they profit off of so well. Also The USA has more people per capita incarcerated than any other nation in the world. That is a fact. Even more so than the conflict in Africa a few years ago with the whole "blood diamonds." That is astronomical!

Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

[thecrazyone]

Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:

1. Marijuana is a natural Medicine. It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact.

2. The molecular make up of the plan is a compound molecule that several other pharmaceutical drugs have taken parts of out of Marijuana and are on the market right now. Specifically anti depressants, and numerous others. Those of you against it, may realized that you are taking parts of the drug right now, but because it was broken down in a test tube and branded as something else, its ok, in your eyes and the government.

3. The Pharmaceutical industry is the #1 money making industry in America making over 960 Billion dollars a year. A natural drug that you can take, and helps with over 200 ailments would put a dent in this business. So even the money they would make from taxing it would not make up for the loss of business.

4. What business in America is the Government trying to take over right now. The Health care industry. So they would prefer you take all these other "legal" drugs that they can charge you for, that one that is dirt cheap to make yourself.

5. What is the #2 money making business in America. Private Prisons. In the last 20 years just the state of Texas has built over 70 new prisions. ~80% of all people incarcerated in the USA are for drugs. Roughly 4/5 of these are for Marijuana. Its big business. Plus if the government was to go back and legalized weed, they would have to admit that the ~7 Billion dollars a year that goes into "war on drugs" would be mostly a mistake. They would have to free up several people in prison for selling and/or growing Marijuana. This wont happen. We all know the Government wont admit they are wrong about anything, especially something they profit off of so well. Also The USA has more people per capita incarcerated than any other nation in the world. That is a fact. Even more so than the conflict in Africa a few years ago with the whole "blood diamonds." That is astronomical!

Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

What a great write up, look at it this way, in 1996 when Cali legalized medical use, 10 other states starting writing bills for medical use, they see the use's, so hopefully they will follow suit when Cali fully legalizes.

[David88vert]

Quoted for truth. Look these are the reasons its not legal right now:


Also there has never been even 1 person who has died directly from Marijuana. Not one. So dont put it in the same category with meth, coke etc. To give you an idea, there are 5 million people that die every year from cigarettes world wide. Would i like to see Marijuana legalized. Absolutely! for medicine, for the strong fibers it would make and replace cotton, for the biofuel it can make and replace gas, etc. It is one of the most useful plants in the world. However I dont think it will happen in the USA because it would effect too many things.

Please cite your reference for your statement "It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact." - The AMA does not appear to have this knowledge through it's vast studies. I'm sure that they would benefit from this information.


What antidepressent drugs have been made from marijuana?

I agree that hemp is one of the most useful plants in the world. I would like to see other uses for it as well, besides smoking.

[David88vert]

So, the original question was - "Why is marijuana not legalized"

The following resources provide information about marijuana and why it remains a controlled substance (this list is from the White House website):

• Legalization as a Non-Starter
• Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base
• Medical Marijuana Fact Sheet
• California City and County Listing of Illegal Store Front Ordinances
• Marijuana Myths & Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions
• What Americans Need to Know About Marijuana
• Denial of Marijuana Rescheduling
• The DEA Position on Marijuana

Medical uses? - Not according to the American Council for Drug Education

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
"There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research."


What would the American Medical Association, the US Government, the American Council for Drug Education, the Drug Enforcement Agency, etc, know about the subject compared to a self-educated 22 year old, right? Surely, their funded controlled scientific studies cannot be compared to the smoke-it-at-home studies that you and your friend's conduct every weekend, right?

[thecrazyone]

So, the original question was - "Why is marijuana not legalized"

The following resources provide information about marijuana and why it remains a controlled substance (this list is from the White House website):

• Legalization as a Non-Starter
• Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base
• Medical Marijuana Fact Sheet
• California City and County Listing of Illegal Store Front Ordinances
• Marijuana Myths & Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions
• What Americans Need to Know About Marijuana
• Denial of Marijuana Rescheduling
• The DEA Position on Marijuana

Medical uses? - Not according to the American Council for Drug Education

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
"There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research."


What would the American Medical Association, the US Government, the American Council for Drug Education, the Drug Enforcement Agency, etc, know about the subject compared to a self-educated 22 year old, right? Surely, their funded controlled scientific studies cannot be compared to the smoke-it-at-home studies that you and your friend's conduct every weekend, right?

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[David88vert]

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[BanginJimmy]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take a minute to watch this youtube vid, just watch it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYpt_...eature=related

As we all know, if it is on youtube, it HAS to be true and unbiased.

[thecrazyone]

Please cite your reference for your statement "It has been medically proven to help with over 200 ailments. This is a fact." -

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Cerebellar Ataxia 334.4
Spinal mm atrophy II 335.11
Amytrophic Lateral Sclero 335.2
Other spinal cord disease 336
Syringomyelia 336.0
Reflex Sympath Dystroph 337.2
Multiple Sclerosis 340.0
Other CNS demyelinating 341
Hemiparesis/plegia 342
Cerebral Palsy+ 343.9
Quadriplegia(s) 344.0x
Paraplegia(s) 344.1x
Paralysis, unspecific 344.9
Epilepsy(ies)+ 345.x
Grand Mal Seizures** 345.1
Limbic Rage Syndrome** 345.4
Jacksonian Epilepsy** 345.5
Migraine(s)+ 346.x
Migraine, Classical+ 346.0
Cluster Headaches 346.2
Compression of Brain 348.4
Tic Doloroux+ 350.1
Bell’s palsy 351.0
Thoracic Outlet Synd 353.0
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome 354.0
Mononeuritis lower limb 355
Charcot-Marie-Tooth 356.1
Neuropathy+ 357
Muscular dystrophies 359
Macular Degeneration** 362.5
Glaucoma 365.23
Dyslexic Amblyopia** 368.0
Color Blindness* 368.55
Conjuctivitis 372.9
Drusen of Optic Nerve 377.21
Optic neuritis 377.30
Strabismus & other binoc 378
Nystagmus, Congenital 379.5
Meniere's Disease 386.00
Tinnitus 388.30
Hypertension+ 401.1
Ischemic Heart Disease 411.X
Angina pectoris 413
Arteriosclerotic Heart Dis 414.X
Cardiac conduction disord 426.X
Paroxysmal Atrial Tach** 427.0
Post Cardiotomy Syndrom 429.4
Raynaud’s Disease 443.0
Thromboangiitis Obliteran 443.1
Polyarteritis Nodosa 446.0
Acute Sinusitis 461.9
Chronic Sinusitis 473.9
Chronic Obst Pulmo Dis 491.90
Emphysema 492.8
Asthma, unspecific 493.9
Pneumothorax, Spontaneo 512.8
Pulmonary Fibrosis 516.3
Cystic Fibrosis 518.89
Dentofacial anomaly pain 524
T.M.J Sydrome 524.60
GastroEsophgeal Rflx Dis 530.81
Acute Gastritis 535.0
Gastritis+ 535.5
Peptic Ulcer/Dyspepsia 536.8
Colitis, Ulcerative 536.9
Pylorospasm Reflux 537.81
Regional Enteri & Crohns 555.9
Colitis+ 558.9
Colon diverticulitis 562.1
Constipation 564.0
Irritable Bowel Synd. 564.1
Dumping Syndrome Post Surgery 564.2
Peritoneal pain 568
Hepatitis-non-viral 571.4
Pancreatitis 577.1
Nephritis/nephropathy 583.81
Ureter spasm calculus 592
Urethritis/Cystitis 595.3
Prostatitis 600.0
Epididymitis** 604.xx
Testicular torsion 608.2
Pelvic Inflammatory Dis 614
Endometriosis** 617.9
Premenstrual Syndrome+ 625.3
Pain, Vaginal 625.9
Menopausal syndrome 627.2
Sturge-Weber Disease 759.6
Eczema 692.9
Pemphigus 694.4
Epidermolysis Bullosa 694.9
Erythma Multiforma 695.1
Rosacea 695.3
Psoriatic Arthritis 696.0
Psoriasis 696.1
Pruritus, pruritic+ 698.9
Atrophy Blanche 701.3
Alopecia 704.0x
Lupus 710.0
Scleroderma 710.1
Dermatomyositis 710.3
Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syn. 710.5
Arthritis, Rheumatoid+ 714.0
Felty’s Syndrome 714.1
Arthritis, Degenerative 715.0
Arthritis, post traumatic+ 716.1
Arthropathy, Degenerative+ 716.9
Patellar chondromalacia 717.7
Ankylosis 718.5
Multiple joints pain 719.49
Intervertebral Disk Disease 722.x
L-S disk disorder sciatic nerve irritation 722.1
IVDD Cerv w Myelopathy 722.71
Cervical Disk Disease 722.91
Cervicobrachial Syndrome 723.3
Lumbosacral Back Diseas 724.x
Spinal Stenosis 724.02
Lower Back Pain 724.5
Peripheral enthesopathies 726
Tenosynovitis 727.x
Dupuytens Contracture 728.6
Muscle Spasm 728.85
Fibromyagia/Fibrositis 729.1
Osgood-Schlatter 732.4
Tietze’s Syndrome 733.6
Melorheostosis 733.99
Spondylolisthesis** 738.4
Cerebral Aneurism 747.81
Scoliosis 754.2
Spina Bifida Occulta 756.17
Osteogenesis imperfecta 756.51
Ehlers Danlos Syndrom 756.83
Nail patella syndrome 756.89
Peutz-Jehgers Syndrome** 756.9
Mastocytosis 757.33
Darier’s Disease 757.39
Marfan syndrome 759.82
Sturge-Weber Eye Syndrome** 759.6
Insomnia+ 780.52
Sleep Apnea 780.57
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome 780.7
Tremor/Invol Movements 781.0
Myofacial Pain Syndrome**782.0
Anorexia+ 783.0
Hyperventilation 786.01
Cough+ 786.2
Hiccough+ 786.8
Vomiting 787.01
Nausea+ 787.02
Diarrhea 787.91
Pain, Ureter 788.0
Cachexia 799.4
Vertebral dislocation unspecific 839.4
Whiplash 847.0
Back Sprain 847.9
Shoulder Injury Unspec 959.2
Fore Arm/Wrist/Hand 959.3
Hip 959.6
Knee, ankle & foot injury 959.7
Motion Sickness 994.6
Anaphylactic or Reaction 995.0

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Dr...uriya_list.htm

[MachNU]

easy to cure things when it makes the mind forget about them.

[David88vert]

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Dr...uriya_list.htm

This is your best attempt yet to cite a reputable source. Here are the problems with it though:

1) The site is run by Dr. Jay Cavanaugh - who has not practiced since 1990.

2) He quotes Dr. Mikuriya, while a very educated doctor, died in 2007, and is obviously not practicing.

3) Dr. Mikuriya's book, where the list comes from, was citing O'Shaughnessy who introduced marijuana into the Western pharmacopoeia in 1839, the drug was promptly recommended for an utterly endless list of disorders - which is the list you have referenced.

The rationale for Dr. Mikuriya's book appears to be the editor's conviction that medicine should "rediscover" therapeutic uses of marijuana. In an attempt to buttress this thesis, he compiled 25 of the "better professional journal articles" from the past 133 years that pertain to various medicinal or scientific aspects of the drug. Most articles describe personal experiences, therapeutic applications with patients, acute clinical studies, or chemical and pharmacological endeavors.

I suggest that you find a list that the AMA current supports, not claims from non-practicing doctors. BTW - that doesn't exist.

[MachNU]

Want a cool thing, go to the main page of the site that copy rights that list that is 6 years old and read this at the very bottom...

Disclaimer

This website is dedicated to patients, caregivers, physicians, health care professionals, families, decision makers, and the general community. We at AAMC hope that the information and links prove educational.

AAMC recognizes that under the Controlled Substances Act, possession, use, distribution, sales, furnishing, cultivation, and transportation of cannabis are Federal offenses despite State Medical Cannabis laws.

Readers should take caution to not violate Federal law. AAMC does not sell or furnish any cannabis products. What we offer is education. Our own experiences, plainly stated, offer the best hope that decision makers will finally end the prohibition of medical cannabis.

AAMC is not responsible for the actions of others including those "linked" in this website. Nor is AAMC responsible for opinions expressed in this website other than to state our policy that dialogue and discussion can only be healthy.

Yours,
Dr. Jay R. Cavanaugh

[thecrazyone]

This is your best attempt yet to cite a reputable source. Here are the problems with it though:

1) The site is run by Dr. Jay Cavanaugh - who has not practiced since 1990.

2) He quotes Dr. Mikuriya, while a very educated doctor, died in 2007, and is obviously not practicing.

3) Dr. Mikuriya's book, where the list comes from, was citing O'Shaughnessy who introduced marijuana into the Western pharmacopoeia in 1839, the drug was promptly recommended for an utterly endless list of disorders - which is the list you have referenced.

The rationale for Dr. Mikuriya's book appears to be the editor's conviction that medicine should "rediscover" therapeutic uses of marijuana. In an attempt to buttress this thesis, he compiled 25 of the "better professional journal articles" from the past 133 years that pertain to various medicinal or scientific aspects of the drug. Most articles describe personal experiences, therapeutic applications with patients, acute clinical studies, or chemical and pharmacological endeavors.

I suggest that you find a list that the AMA current supports, not claims from non-practicing doctors. BTW - that doesn't exist.

PLEASE look over my post below instead of skipping it!

You and your AMA, how hard did you look? cause i found....

Results. The cannabis sativa plant contains more than 60 unique structurally related chemicals
(phytocannabinoids). Thirteen states have enacted laws to remove state-level criminal penalties for possessing marijuana for qualifying patients, however the federal government refuses to recognize that the cannabis plant has an accepted medical benefit. Despite the public controversy, less than 20 small randomized controlled trials of short duration involving ~300 patients have been conducted over the last 35 years on smoked cannabis. Many others have been conducted on FDA-approved oral preparations of THC and synthetic analogues, and more recently on botanical extracts of cannabis. Federal court cases have upheld the privileges of doctor-patient discussions on the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes but also preserved the right of the federal government to prosecute patients using cannabis for medicinal purposes. Efforts to reschedule marijuana from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act have been unsuccessful to date. Disagreements persist about the long term consequences of marijuana use for medicinal purposes

Conclusions. Results of short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis. However, the patchwork of state-based systems that have been established for “medical marijuana” is woefully inadequate in establishing even rudimentary safeguards that normally would be applied to the appropriate clinical use of psychoactive substances. The future of cannabinoid-based medicine lies in the rapidly evolving field of botanical drug substance development, as well as the design of molecules that target various aspects of the endocannabinoid system. To the extent that rescheduling marijuana out of Schedule I will benefit this effort, such a move can be supported

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upl...eport3-i09.pdf

This one's good to
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upl...43/csaa-01.pdf

It talks about the AMA wanting more studies done on marijuana b/c they know there is medical benefits.

"What they are doing is showing respect for the rights of states to make decisions about the health and welfare of their citizens," said Bruce Mirken, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project. "Health is generally regulated on a state level, and there's a growing collection of medical literature documenting that [marijuana] is, for some people, effective and safe."
American Medical Association policy calls for further clinical research into the safety and efficacy of medical marijuana for... patients.


http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/200...3/prse1123.htm
another good read^^^

It is time to re-examine whether marijuana should be legally categorized as a schedule I drug, the AMA House of Delegates said at its Interim Meeting.

The goal of such a review is to facilitate "the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines and alternate delivery methods," says the newly adopted house policy.

The current scheduling"limits the access to cannabinols for even research -- it is very difficult," said AMA Board of Trustees member Edward L. Langston, MD, a Lafayette, Ind., family physician. "We believe there should be a scientific review of cannabinols in the treatment of pain and other issues. ... We support research on the use of cannabinols for medical use."

"Schedule I is very appropriate for heroin and other noxious substances that have no place in medicine, but cannabinoids are useful drugs," said Melvyn Sterling, MD, a palliative care doctor and California Medical Assn. delegate who spoke on his own behalf. "There is compelling research that cannabinoids are helpful in treating the spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis and in persistent nausea associated with chemotherapy, and they may have other uses yet undiscovered. Why are they undiscovered? Because it's a schedule I drug."

Prevalence of Marijuana Use
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint...urcetype=HWCIT

Does Marijuana Use Cause the Use of Other Drugs? (gateway theory debunked by JAMA)
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

Therapeutic Marijuana Use Supported While Thorough Proposed Study Done
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

I can go on and one, the evidence is in, and JAMA knows it, MMJ is a good thing, but they have to battle with the DEA, to even do studies on it.

[David88vert]

This was by far your best argument yet. I have no problem with doctors performing controlled studies of medicinal uses. This last post is an agreement for all in this thread probably. This argument for medical use is best made by the AMA.

Unfortunately, this does not support your true goal and desire - legalization for recreational use. The AMA is not making this argument, so you will have to join a lobbist group, and discuss your support with your local congressional representative if you want that changed.

If you cannot explain why the federal law prohibiting it's recreational use should be overturned, you cannot expect your congressman to write a bill legalizing it.

[thecrazyone]

This was by far your best argument yet. I have no problem with doctors performing controlled studies of medicinal uses. This last post is an agreement for all in this thread probably. This argument for medical use is best made by the AMA.

Unfortunately, this does not support your true goal and desire - legalization for recreational use. The AMA is not making this argument, so you will have to join a lobbist group, and discuss your support with your local congressional representative if you want that changed.

If you cannot explain why the federal law prohibiting it's recreational use should be overturned, you cannot expect your congressman to write a bill legalizing it.

It was completely legal for 100's and 100's of years.

Then as everyone knows it was made illegal by a racist that said cannabis makes immigrants play satanic music and make white woman sleep with blacks.

then re legalized to produce hemp for war.

Now illegal again so certain people can get rich of big Pharma.

I want it to be legal for all reasons, rec and med use, the use of hemp, going green in all means of the word, if it was legal to grow and sell our economy would thrive, mexican cartel would be out of business...whens the last time you heard of someone selling tobacco on the streets, you dont, b/c the gov is in control and has a good(so to speak) system.

and as i have been trying to explain from the beginning of this thread is in this day and time, with everything we know, its unreasonable for it to be illegal.

one last point.....

I've smoked/smoke weed, yes, no surprise there, but thats it, i rarely drink now (did a lot in my teens) and i dont understand how anyone smokes or snorts something that has to be "cooked" over a stove, and has baking soda and who knows what else in it. (i didnt like the "and i bet she started by smoking pot" comment in that crackhead thread.)

You cant argue the fact its natural, and has grown on earth since the beginning of time, it is a seed bearing plant.

i dont know if you are religious but...

Genisis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

You cant invent a seed.

and yes, hemp seeds and hemp can be made into food. but im sure you get my point.

[David88vert]

It was completely legal for 100's and 100's of years.

Then as everyone knows it was made illegal by a racist that said cannabis makes immigrants play satanic music and make white woman sleep with blacks.

then re legalized to produce hemp for war.

Now illegal again so certain people can get rich of big Pharma.

I want it to be legal for all reasons, rec and med use, the use of hemp, going green in all means of the word, if it was legal to grow and sell our economy would thrive, mexican cartel would be out of business...whens the last time you heard of someone selling tobacco on the streets, you dont, b/c the gov is in control and has a good(so to speak) system.

and as i have been trying to explain from the beginning of this thread is in this day and time, with everything we know, its unreasonable for it to be illegal.

one last point.....

I've smoked/smoke weed, yes, no surprise there, but thats it, i rarely drink now (did a lot in my teens) and i dont understand how anyone smokes or snorts something that has to be "cooked" over a stove, and has baking soda and who knows what else in it. (i didnt like the "and i bet she started by smoking pot" comment in that crackhead thread.)

You cant argue the fact its natural, and has grown on earth since the beginning of time, it is a seed bearing plant.

i dont know if you are religious but...

Genisis 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

You cant invent a seed.

and yes, hemp seeds and hemp can be made into food. but im sure you get my point.

Last I checked, making it illegal took a legislative bill from Congress (Controlled Substances Act of 1970). The other federal prohibition was in 1937, but records as to the testimonies are not as clear on that one. There are lots of conspiracy theories - you can find them on druglibrary.org if you want.

I agree that hemp has many legitimate uses outside of recreational use.

Now, go sell your viewpoint to your local congressman. Have you ever engaged him in any manner on this issue?

[99hatch]

PLEASE look over my post below instead of skipping it!

You and your AMA, how hard did you look? cause i found....

Results. The cannabis sativa plant contains more than 60 unique structurally related chemicals
(phytocannabinoids). Thirteen states have enacted laws to remove state-level criminal penalties for possessing marijuana for qualifying patients, however the federal government refuses to recognize that the cannabis plant has an accepted medical benefit. Despite the public controversy, less than 20 small randomized controlled trials of short duration involving ~300 patients have been conducted over the last 35 years on smoked cannabis. Many others have been conducted on FDA-approved oral preparations of THC and synthetic analogues, and more recently on botanical extracts of cannabis. Federal court cases have upheld the privileges of doctor-patient discussions on the use of cannabis for medicinal purposes but also preserved the right of the federal government to prosecute patients using cannabis for medicinal purposes. Efforts to reschedule marijuana from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act have been unsuccessful to date. Disagreements persist about the long term consequences of marijuana use for medicinal purposes

Conclusions. Results of short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis. However, the patchwork of state-based systems that have been established for “medical marijuana” is woefully inadequate in establishing even rudimentary safeguards that normally would be applied to the appropriate clinical use of psychoactive substances. The future of cannabinoid-based medicine lies in the rapidly evolving field of botanical drug substance development, as well as the design of molecules that target various aspects of the endocannabinoid system. To the extent that rescheduling marijuana out of Schedule I will benefit this effort, such a move can be supported

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upl...eport3-i09.pdf

This one's good to
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upl...43/csaa-01.pdf

It talks about the AMA wanting more studies done on marijuana b/c they know there is medical benefits.

"What they are doing is showing respect for the rights of states to make decisions about the health and welfare of their citizens," said Bruce Mirken, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project. "Health is generally regulated on a state level, and there's a growing collection of medical literature documenting that [marijuana] is, for some people, effective and safe."
American Medical Association policy calls for further clinical research into the safety and efficacy of medical marijuana for... patients.


http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/200...3/prse1123.htm
another good read^^^

It is time to re-examine whether marijuana should be legally categorized as a schedule I drug, the AMA House of Delegates said at its Interim Meeting.

The goal of such a review is to facilitate "the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines and alternate delivery methods," says the newly adopted house policy.

The current scheduling"limits the access to cannabinols for even research -- it is very difficult," said AMA Board of Trustees member Edward L. Langston, MD, a Lafayette, Ind., family physician. "We believe there should be a scientific review of cannabinols in the treatment of pain and other issues. ... We support research on the use of cannabinols for medical use."

"Schedule I is very appropriate for heroin and other noxious substances that have no place in medicine, but cannabinoids are useful drugs," said Melvyn Sterling, MD, a palliative care doctor and California Medical Assn. delegate who spoke on his own behalf. "There is compelling research that cannabinoids are helpful in treating the spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis and in persistent nausea associated with chemotherapy, and they may have other uses yet undiscovered. Why are they undiscovered? Because it's a schedule I drug."

Prevalence of Marijuana Use
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint...urcetype=HWCIT

Does Marijuana Use Cause the Use of Other Drugs? (gateway theory debunked by JAMA)
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

Therapeutic Marijuana Use Supported While Thorough Proposed Study Done
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

I can go on and one, the evidence is in, and JAMA knows it, MMJ is a good thing, but they have to battle with the DEA, to even do studies on it.

Well Said and Quoted!

[alpine_aw11]

Because we all know that the government is always right.

You guys kill me... anything about raising taxes 1% is "government tyranny" and "taking our rights," but a substance that probably 80% of Americans will try in their lifetimes and 10% use on a regular basis being illegal with felony consequences is perfectly OK.

Yep. It remains illegal because the government does not enjoy admitting that they are wrong. Most lawmakers don't know shit for poop about the drugs they hate so much.

[99hatch]

There is so much money tied up in banning Marijuana that it will be tough for a congressman to step up and say we were wrong, without loosing his lobbyists. There are 1300 Pharmaceutical lobbyists in Washington and most have big money to back up politicians. However they do not want this natural drug to be made legal, as it would hurt their own financial agendas.

Its the same thing that is always behind any decision on that level......Money.

I think even those in the thread that have any kind of knowledge on the subject will say that it is not dangerous like all other illegal drugs. Even legal ones. There has never been one death directly related to Marijuana. Not one ever in the proven thousands of years of history where it has been used. Legal drugs however:

"In 1998 an extensive study published in the reputable Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed that 106,000 people die each year in American hospitals from medication side effects (4)."

[99hatch]

In fact some 16,500 a year are killed by asprin and other over the counter pain killers. These are more dangerous that marijuana.

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.o...cids-or-herbs/