Obama Addresses the Students....

[Justin51982]

How exactly is showing a speech telling kids to "stay in school" trying to sway things?

Most educators are liberal for the same reasons most Blackwater mercenaries and most hedge fund managers are conservative.

I wasn't talking about your comment, I was referencing someone else talking about university professors, thanks for you continued thoughts.

[Justin51982]

Well for starters, we dont know how much the speech changed between the original writing and when it was actually shown. The speech was never an issue though. The issue was the lesson plan that came with it.







Because liberals are typically people that goto school for something but can never succeed. Conservatives are the opposite. They chose their career path, but are successful.

"Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach."

Very much agreed

[rehab]

I think if anything that memo is asking the teachers to challenge the students to develope their own interpretations of what the President is saying and asking of them. Unfortunately, the real frightening part is that the educator also has the ability to direct the way of thinking of the child and potentially has the means to manipulate the situation and form the younger childs opinions for them.

In my opinion this would be something that ideally should be geared more for middle-school/high-school aged kids who have a bit more developed cognitive skills and can therefore rationalize, and form their own independent opinions -and where the kids may have a chance to know enough to possibly challenge a teacher who may try and push their own political ideas/agendas upon them. Elementary schools kids should have a less intensive form of this as a means to learn reading, writting, and critical thinking skills without having to try and philosophically make interpretations that -well, they're just far too young to form on their own.

[Total_Blender]

I think if anything that memo is asking the teachers to challenge the students to develope their own interpretations of what the President is saying and asking of them. Unfortunately, the real frightening part is that the educator also has the ability to direct the way of thinking of the child and potentially has the means to manipulate the situation and form the younger childs opinions for them.

In my opinion this would be something that ideally should be geared more for middle-school/high-school aged kids who have a bit more developed cognitive skills and can therefore rationalize, and form their own independent opinions -and where the kids may have a chance to know enough to possibly challenge a teacher who may try and push their own political ideas/agendas upon them. Elementary schools kids should have a less intensive form of this as a means to learn reading, writting, and critical thinking skills without having to try and philosophically make interpretations that -well, they're just far too young to form on their own.

I think this is the most logical thing I have ever read on IA. I'm not sure if there was one lesson plan for all grades or not, but when there is something federal like this the teachers are also subject to guidelines set by local school boards about what is/isn't age appropriate for the younger kids. Kudos and reps

[xxbckiexx]

Actually, see the post quoted above yours.

That post was made AFTER TigerJC brought race into it.


TigerJC is by far one of the most racist guys on this forum. He's all about being black because he's so far from black, he wishes he could be, so online he'll put up a great fight for the black man. When in person he'll shy in the corner and pick his nose with his dunce cap on.

[xxbckiexx]

I take issue with this because it is well known that blacks vote proportionately Democrat anyway, the demographics of voters who turned out for Clinton mirror the numbers of those for Obama. Race may have motivated some but please believe being black does not suddenly give you an upper hand in being elected president. The rest of thise post is not directed at you.

Black voters? If you can provide that, then ill shut my trap. but just because the same number of people showed up means nothing, the discussion is black voters, not democratic voters. I know plenty of democratic voters who voted mccain/palin this term.

[xxbckiexx]

I think if anything that memo is asking the teachers to challenge the students to develope their own interpretations of what the President is saying and asking of them. Unfortunately, the real frightening part is that the educator also has the ability to direct the way of thinking of the child and potentially has the means to manipulate the situation and form the younger childs opinions for them.

My sentiments exactly. Childrens minds are sponges, and anything instilled on them from a person they look up to, sticks. Why do you think children with good relationships with their parents have the same ideals? It's common sense people.

[TIGERJC]

That post was made AFTER TigerJC brought race into it.


TigerJC is by far one of the most racist guys on this forum. He's all about being black because he's so far from black, he wishes he could be, so online he'll put up a great fight for the black man. When in person he'll shy in the corner and pick his nose with his dunce cap on.

How am I far from being black, is it b/c I don't fit a certain stereotype? You're the type of individual that probably still thinks racism died after civil right's movement. The disrespect that was shown to obama would more than likely have never happen if he was a white men, or maybe not since I remember how the right disrespected kerry when it came to his military days. Shows how much class the right wing has. Almost every time obama is mention on this forum, race is brought up, so I am right to believe race might have played a role in this disrespect of the president

[TIGERJC]

Black voters? If you can provide that, then ill shut my trap. but just because the same number of people showed up means nothing, the discussion is black voters, not democratic voters. I know plenty of democratic voters who voted mccain/palin this term.

Again trying to dumb down the black vote

[quickdodge®]

In my opinion this would be something that ideally should be geared more for middle-school/high-school aged kids who have a bit more developed cognitive skills and can therefore rationalize, and form their own independent opinions

Exactly, dude. This is exactly what I was looking for. Later, QD.

[xxbckiexx]

How am I far from being black, is it b/c I don't fit a certain stereotype? You're the type of individual that probably still thinks racism died after civil right's movement. The disrespect that was shown to obama would more than likely have never happen if he was a white men, or maybe not since I remember how the right disrespected kerry when it came to his military days. Shows how much class the right wing has. Almost every time obama is mention on this forum, race is brought up, so I am right to believe race might have played a role in this disrespect of the president

You're the one who brought up race in this thread, no one else (until after your post). Race would die if america let it, but too many people are stuck on being racist. Black history should have a curriculum change. The second kids see those videos on black people being hosed down by white firemen etc etc, the first thing they do is go home and ask their racist parent what happened. yes 95% of parents are racist (black and white) because they grew up in that time period and those same ideals are instilled to this day.

The same goes for women. There are tons of sexist men. Womens rights is a short 1-2 chapter read in any textbook. Why should black rights be any different? Why does black history get an entire month? It's because america makes such a big deal out of it, and that's why it doesn't die.


As for Tony saying "black is a skin color, and im proud to be black." Really dude? Is it really necessary to preach to the whole world the color of your skin and how great it is, and how great you are for being black? Realisticly it's thoughts like these that keep EVERYONE being racist, in some way shape or form. If a white person said, im white and im proud of being white, cuz white is great! he'd be looked upon as a racist.

[xxbckiexx]

Again trying to dumb down the black vote

How so? The original topic was black people voted for obama because of skin color. His argument was that the same number of people who voted for clinton voted for obama, which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The real question was, how many of those same voters who voted for clinton turned up, and how many new ones were there that voted for obama?

[TIGERJC]

You're the one who brought up race in this thread, no one else (until after your post). Race would die if america let it, but too many people are stuck on being racist. Black history should have a curriculum change. The second kids see those videos on black people being hosed down by white firemen etc etc, the first thing they do is go home and ask their racist parent what happened. yes 95% of parents are racist (black and white) because they grew up in that time period and those same ideals are instilled to this day.

The same goes for women. There are tons of sexist men. Womens rights is a short 1-2 chapter read in any textbook. Why should black rights be any different? Why does black history get an entire month? It's because america makes such a big deal out of it, and that's why it doesn't die.


As for Tony saying "black is a skin color, and im proud to be black." Really dude? Is it really necessary to preach to the whole world the color of your skin and how great it is, and how great you are for being black? Realisticly it's thoughts like these that keep EVERYONE being racist, in some way shape or form. If a white person said, im white and im proud of being white, cuz white is great! he'd be looked upon as a racist.

Are you kidding, you fucking live in a fantasy world if you think racism will die just because you decided not to look or think about it. After all the years of black being the definition of ugly and the bad in the world according to certain people. I don't see the problem with my respected people to be proud of their color and their culture. I am glad race issues within in the black community have declined over the years. I am talking about the light and dark skin argument, that light was beautiful and more accepted in society than blacks with darker skin tone.

[xxbckiexx]

Are you kidding, you fucking live in a fantasy world if you think racism will die just because you decided not to look or think about it. After all the years of black being the definition of ugly and the bad in the world according to certain people. I don't see the problem with my respected people to be proud of their color and their culture. I am glad race issues within in the black community have declined over the years. I am talking about the light and dark skin argument, that light was beautiful and more accepted in society than blacks with darker skin tone.

Who said not to look or think about it? I just said don't put such a gigantic emphasis on it. Again, why is black history a full MONTH? There's really not that much history. In school we went over the same instances over and over, and then spent countless hours watching videos/movies that took up 2 weeks of the month. It should be shortened into a week long lesson plan, like anything else. Like i said the videos just help promote racism. Especially when kids go home and ask their racist parents why things happened and get a racist response like "well the nggers were this and that" and "well the white man is keepin us down!"

[TIGERJC]

How so? The original topic was black people voted for obama because of skin color. His argument was that the same number of people who voted for clinton voted for obama, which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The real question was, how many of those same voters who voted for clinton turned up, and how many new ones were there that voted for obama?

Just look at the rise of black voters in every election, I still don't see how you can debate this as there is no way to know why a person voted for a politician truthfully. Yes their was some blacks just like their was some whites that voted solely based on race. But whats the point of fighting over it, I highly doubt it made any difference in how the election turned out

[TIGERJC]

Who said not to look or think about it? I just said don't put such a gigantic emphasis on it. Again, why is black history a full MONTH? There's really not that much history. In school we went over the same instances over and over, and then spent countless hours watching videos/movies that took up 2 weeks of the month. It should be shortened into a week long lesson plan, like anything else. Like i said the videos just help promote racism. Especially when kids go home and ask their racist parents why things happened and get a racist response like "well the nggers were this and that" and "well the white man is keepin us down!"

Hi Angry White man
Now you rant you made earlier makes sense now, guess I will see you around Feb bitching.

[xxbckiexx]

Hi Angry White man
Now you rant you made earlier makes sense now, guess I will see you around Feb bitching.

Who's angry? Who said im white? Don't make assumptions

[xxbckiexx]

Just look at the rise of black voters in every election, I still don't see how you can debate this as there is no way to know why a person voted for a politician truthfully. Yes their was some blacks just like their was some whites that voted solely based on race. But whats the point of fighting over it, I highly doubt it made any difference in how the election turned out

You're right Julian. fact of the matter is, people are saying it didn't happen. I just wanted to make it clear to people that yes, people did vote based on race in this election. And just like QD said, a good bit of black people (which were interviewed) didn't know anything about the candidate, and voted soley based off his skin color. But im sure just as many racist white people voted for mccain for the same reason. It was just a question, dont know why you're so sensitive, and why you felt the need to bring race into this equation.

[AirMax95]

Who said not to look or think about it? I just said don't put such a gigantic emphasis on it. Again, why is black history a full MONTH? There's really not that much history. In school we went over the same instances over and over, and then spent countless hours watching videos/movies that took up 2 weeks of the month. It should be shortened into a week long lesson plan, like anything else. Like i said the videos just help promote racism. Especially when kids go home and ask their racist parents why things happened and get a racist response like "well the nggers were this and that" and "well the white man is keepin us down!"

Go research why it was put in place, please. After that, go research the history and you will see so much more. Why does it matter to how long the period is? This country promoted racism long before, so 1 dedicated month to nationally recognize that which has been ignored should not bother anyone. Funny thing, if the month was not there in the past, schools would only teach on King and Douglass, if that. There were more than 2 highly impacting individuals that were black.

Also, just becuase parents are ignorant does not mean the child will be.

[Total_Blender]

Ugh, the race discussion has started again. I can't really post the way I feel about these discussions right now because I'm on a work computer. But come 6:00 or so... its on.

[xxbckiexx]

Go research why it was put in place, please. After that, go research the history and you will see so much more. Why does it matter to how long the period is? This country promoted racism long before, so 1 dedicated month to nationally recognize that which has been ignored should not bother anyone. Funny thing, if the month was not there in the past, schools would only teach on King and Douglass, if that. There were more than 2 highly impacting individuals that were black.

Also, just becuase parents are ignorant does not mean the child will be.

Black History Month is meant to remedy the inequity of representation of blacks contributions to the world. HOWEVER, there is no inequity of representation now. We all know who invented peanut butter and the stop light. 95% of the black history month curriculum should be taught in AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF. It shouldn't be labeled black anything. I dont care how long the period is. If there was enough history to it that it ran 6 months long, with different events, and different information everyday in the curriculum it would be beneficial. But, like i said, for 2 weeks out of that month, students sit there and watch videos of racist events, racist interviews and racist movies, which then instill racist thoughts. Which leaves them with unanswered questions, in which they go home to ask their racist parents. It's pounded into students for an entire month, from kindergarten to seniors in high school and then you wonder why racism doesn't go away? It's a series of events that leads to racist activity.

If you think that a child who looks up to their parent, will not have the same ideals as their parent, you clearly have no kids, or no real experience WITH kids.

[AirMax95]

Black History Month is meant to remedy the inequity of representation of blacks contributions to the world. HOWEVER, there is no inequity of representation now. We all know who invented peanut butter and the stop light. 95% of the black history month curriculum should be taught in AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF. It shouldn't be labeled black anything. I dont care how long the period is. If there was enough history to it that it ran 6 months long, with different events, and different information everyday in the curriculum it would be beneficial. But, like i said, for 2 weeks out of that month, students sit there and watch videos of racist events, racist interviews and racist movies, which then instill racist thoughts. Which leaves them with unanswered questions, in which they go home to ask their racist parents. It's pounded into students for an entire month, from kindergarten to seniors in high school and then you wonder why racism doesn't go away? It's a series of events that leads to racist activity.

If you think that a child who looks up to their parent, will not have the same ideals as their parent, you clearly have no kids, or no real experience WITH kids.

What I bolded is the solution that has been preached for years, yet the history books have NEVER changed. That is why I am all for Black History Month. Racism will not go away by ignoring the past.

Let me step back and say that children can turn into what the parents are. They have a choice and they know it. They have their own minds, and know it.

[TIGERJC]

You're right Julian. fact of the matter is, people are saying it didn't happen. I just wanted to make it clear to people that yes, people did vote based on race in this election. And just like QD said, a good bit of black people (which were interviewed) didn't know anything about the candidate, and voted soley based off his skin color. But im sure just as many racist white people voted for mccain for the same reason. It was just a question, dont know why you're so sensitive, and why you felt the need to bring race into this equation.

a good bit? Turn off the fucking tv

[xxbckiexx]

a good bit? Turn off the fucking tv

i haven't watched TV in i dont' know how long. I make my statements based off what i see from my own research. from the videos i find on the internet, or elsewhere. My mind is not swayed one direction or the other just because of what the media is saying.

[Total_Blender]

For those of you who didn't really get much out of school, the entire month of February (Black History Month) was not spent entirely on Black history. Since history is taught chronologically, we learned white and black histories simultaneously. While we might have had a couple of lessons specifically on Black history and the black experience, we continued our progress in lessons about Old White Men (and 2 or 3 White women like Susan B. Anthony who wanted to vote/wear pants) mostly unabated.

I really like how you guys spin awareness of the Black experience and an encouragement of tolerance into "ZOMG reverse racism".

[TIGERJC]

i haven't watched TV in i dont' know how long. I make my statements based off what i see from my own research. from the videos i find on the internet, or elsewhere. My mind is not swayed one direction or the other just because of what the media is saying.

Go out and interview people, and when you have numbers to back your claim I will listen until then you're talking out your ass

[AirMax95]

I'm tired of these internet agruments/discussions.

[quickdodge®]

Also, just becuase parents are ignorant does not mean the child will be.

I'm living proof of this. I moved in with my grandparents at a young age. Was brought up by them and my Mom in the same house for 15 years until I got married. My first child? Black. My first wife? Japanese. My grandparents reaction? Not favorable. Xmas time only saw me getting presents. My birthday I would receive gifts but my family received nothing. So every present I got would be returned. Unless it was cash and then I spent it on my family. After 2 years of no talking or seeing each other, we ended up getting together. Since that day of spending time with each other, my daughter STILL sees my grandparents. My ex (now) wife still receives help from my grandparents if she needs it (because I have a son by her). Not only did my grandparents views on racial intermixing influence me in mine, but they actually overcame their prejudices to an extent. Later, QD.

[BanginJimmy]

what you really mean is if everyone doesnt bow before you you will start crying and whining. You are the only one that is too immature for intelligent discussion and your posts prove it.

[AirMax95]

what you really mean is if everyone doesnt bow before you you will start crying and whining. You are the only one that is too immature for intelligent discussion and your posts prove it.

Who were directing this towards?

[Justin51982]

Who were directing this towards?

My guess is Total Blender, everyone elses posts contain substance.

[BanginJimmy]

Who were directing this towards?

Total Blender. Hopefully that tool has been permabanned from breathing.

[bdydrpdmazda]

Im not reading all this because Obama is a dumb ass but Ill put in my opinion. If you believe that Obama can actually do anything about healthcare then you are a dumb ass. If you believed it when Obama talked about bringing home the troops then you are a dumb ass, all he is doing as far as the war goes is moving everybody from Iraq to Afghanistan, Im fine with it because Im a believer that we shouldnt pull out of the war until its one, I was just stating my opinion. If Obama wasnt a minority then he wouldnt be president and its that simple.

[BABY J]

^^^ I'm sure that the over 50% of white voters who voted for Obama feel the same way that you do. I don't vote party - never have, but repubs like to put that spin on it. The BOTTOM LINE is that the Repubs gave McCain the nod. The BOTTOM line is that America didn't need a McCain in office at this time. The BOTTOM line that America didn't need another Republican in the White House (since people like to talk party).

Furthermore, unless you are privvy to some of the Dept. of Defense information that I have been privaleged to then you should tread softly on what you think a dumb idea was/is regarding our troops. You know what you see on TV - people in the intelligence community know much different from high-level briefings that they get. You don't know the information a president knows - until then, you can't intelligently speak on what a stupid idea is regarding troop placement. Decisions on military action are made in briefing rooms, not after viewing a CNN poll on what "the average dork" thinks that we should do.

[bdydrpdmazda]

^^^ I'm sure that the over 50% of white voters who voted for Obama feel the same way that you do. I don't vote party - never have, but repubs like to put that spin on it. The BOTTOM LINE is that the Repubs gave McCain the nod. The BOTTOM line is that America didn't need a McCain in office at this time. The BOTTOM line that America didn't need another Republican in the White House (since people like to talk party).

Furthermore, unless you are privvy to some of the Dept. of Defense information that I have been privaleged to then you should tread softly on what you think a dumb idea was/is regarding our troops. You know what you see on TV - people in the intelligence community know much different from high-level briefings that they get. You don't know the information a president knows - until then, you can't intelligently speak on what a stupid idea is regarding troop placement. Decisions on military action are made in briefing rooms, not after viewing a CNN poll on what "the average dork" thinks that we should do.

considering Im back at war again and back in iraq ive prolly come across some pretty interesting reading that keeps me pretty well informed about whats going on over here and I would say Im probably above what the news shows us and wants us to think about the war at hand

[BABY J]

Then you should know why effort is being put on Afghanistan. And if you're REALLY in the know you wouldn't see that as dumb.

[bdydrpdmazda]

check my post again, i said the opposite actually, i said im a believer in not ending a war till its won, i was loling at the people that believed he was just gonna end the war like he was saying he would

[BanginJimmy]

Decisions on military action are made in briefing rooms, not after viewing a CNN poll on what "the average dork" thinks that we should do.

That isnt true by a long shot. Most dems voted yes to invade Iraq based on poll numbers, which is why they also attacked Bush when the war wasnt as popular.

[BABY J]

^^ You totally misunderstood what I posted. LOL. That was not a rep/dem argument. I'll say it another way.

The people that vote on those polls don't know what you and I know about the REAL reason why we are in the places that we are in w/ our military. The people that say "hey, why don't we just pack our shit and leave Wherethefuckistan" really don't have a clue about miltary action. Those are the simply the people that want their husband/wife/kid to come home and be a family again.

[BanginJimmy]

^^ You totally misunderstood what I posted. LOL. That was not a rep/dem argument. I'll say it another way.

The people that vote on those polls don't know what you and I know about the REAL reason why we are in the places that we are in w/ our military. The people that say "hey, why don't we just pack our shit and leave Wherethefuckistan" really don't have a clue about miltary action. Those are the simply the people that want their husband/wife/kid to come home and be a family again.

This I agree with completely.

I wasnt making a dem/repub arguement either. That was simply the best example I could think of at the moment.