Obama question

[Jaimecbr900]

Ok, everyone here knows my political stance on most things since I've expressed them rather directly and clearly. With that said, I still like to read and look at opposing views because I know that I'm not always right the first go around. I've listened to both the left and the right, read tons of things, and I can't figure something out.

Obama supporters, please answer this for me:

What has the new administration done to positively affect the country as a whole?


Please don't give me all the, "it's only been 6 mos, give him time...." rhetoric. I got that. I understand SOME things will take a little time to develop, but according to pre-election promises and propaganda......this was an administration that was going to make "change you can believe in". So please tell me which of the "changes" YOU BELIEVE in, i.e. will work or are working. When you answer the question, please give complete, clear, and full answers. Don't give one liners you're reading straight off Obama's website. You will be asked to give examples if necessary.

I'm just wondering how many of Obama's supporters still stand behind their decision last November, since his "approval rating" has almost dipped BELOW that of the dreaded Darth Vader, Mr. Dick Chaney.

Someone please enlighten me on this because I'd like to find atleast one thing this President has done right for a change. Seriously. No BS.

Discuss.

[mocha latte cupcake]

moved toward socialistic health care..... wait no.

bailed everyone out causing our exchange rate to go in the pooper.....no thats not right.

wait i know! getting rid of all of our prisoners cause he loves them.... eh not thats not good.

WAIT I GOT IT THIS TIME! i bet you he ate his wheaties this morning

[ShooterMcGavin]

this thread is going to get immense traffic, i can feel it already...

[Jaimecbr900]

this thread is going to get immense traffic, i can feel it already...

I doubt it because I put in the disclaimer that they'd have to show "examples"......

[ShooterMcGavin]

I doubt it because I put in the disclaimer that they'd have to show "examples"......

it's called sarcasm jaime

[The Creeper]

Maybe the Obama nut huggers will realize the grass isn't always greener on the other side...

[leobond001]

correct me if im wrong, but didnt bush do a last minute bailout before he left office and it was fine, but when obama does one, its a huge problem

[81911SC]

And here it is, this isn't about Bush, it's about Obama.

[bafbrian]

Ok, everyone here knows my political stance on most things since I've expressed them rather directly and clearly. With that said, I still like to read and look at opposing views because I know that I'm not always right the first go around. I've listened to both the left and the right, read tons of things, and I can't figure something out.

Obama supporters, please answer this for me:

What has the new administration done to positively affect the country as a whole?


Please don't give me all the, "it's only been 6 mos, give him time...." rhetoric. I got that. I understand SOME things will take a little time to develop, but according to pre-election promises and propaganda......this was an administration that was going to make "change you can believe in". So please tell me which of the "changes" YOU BELIEVE in, i.e. will work or are working. When you answer the question, please give complete, clear, and full answers. Don't give one liners you're reading straight off Obama's website. You will be asked to give examples if necessary.

I'm just wondering how many of Obama's supporters still stand behind their decision last November, since his "approval rating" has almost dipped BELOW that of the dreaded Darth Vader, Mr. Dick Chaney.

Someone please enlighten me on this because I'd like to find atleast one thing this President has done right for a change. Seriously. No BS.

Discuss.

To be honest, you seemed to answered your own question. His "Change You Can Believe In" slogan was that, a slogan. Looking at previous elections, a "captivating" slogan is designed to be a message which relates back to the candidate. I voted for Obama in the last election. Why? McCain had changed drastically from someone his stances from his previous Presidental campaign, some for the better, some for the worse, and others to conform to the party's ideology to gain more support and I could not relate to his political views like before.

But, that is besides the point. Honestly, that is a question no one can probably answer because all you will get is either "uber" Liberals repeating the promises and speeches of the administration or you will get others who say nothing has changed. Again, in all honesty, the reality is that it has only been 6 months. I believe the real question is, what did you expect to be changed based off of his campaign promises? (Based on your previous statements, I feel confident in saying you didn't vote for Obama.)

[leobond001]

i know, i was just saying that everything he does is a big problem, when the big problems didnt start with him

[bafbrian]

i know, i was just saying that everything he does is a big problem, when the big problems didnt start with him

The "Blame Game" doesn't get anyone anywhere, so that conversation is irrelevant. It doesn't matter who started or caused the problem, finding solutions that work and are effective is what matters. Blaming others is just another excuse for not finding a solution to the problem.

[leobond001]

and all he is doing is trying to find the best solutions. there is no one solution that will be right because people are to opinonated. we got 4 years with obama, if he doesnt work, i'm sure mccain will give it another go

[tony]

Lilly Ledbetter act and that is just off of the top of my head. His approach to Israel as it pertains to Palestine.. I have to say I respect how he has handled that. You gun lovers should be happy that you can now carry a weapon in state parks.. oh, but only what he doesn't do gets attention. More strict regulations on lending institutions.. Whats interesting is if you look at the chart of the stock market since January, initial big drop in February then a gradual rise that has been consistent, looks like consumer confidence is up.

But honestly it doesn't matter what I state here because it will be rebutted.. sprinkled in with some tie in to Socialism and the vicious cycle continues from all the other threads that nobody gained anything from. Funny how more is expected of Obama when so little was expected the previous 8 years.. I wonder why.

[ShooterMcGavin]

You gun lovers should be happy that you can now carry a weapon in state parks.. oh, but only what he doesn't do gets attention.

you act like he was the one that proposed that particular part of the bill that was passed to allow that. everyone with half a brain knows his exact stance on guns and gun control, and if it wasn't for the shitstorm that's bogged down this country he'd be doing everything he can along w/that holder douchebag trying to stamp your 2nd amendment rights into the ground.

Funny how more is expected of Obama when so little was expected the previous 8 years.. I wonder why.

bc he preached CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN, that YES WE CAN. everyone knew the other guy was an idiot with a track record to prove it. obama wants everyone to believe he's on the opposite side of the spectrum. well 6 months in i haven't seen anything remarkable or even the talk of anything that i'm holding my breath for. where's all this change? only change i've seen is in our national debt and deficit figures. but i guess we shouldn't worry, obama has already promised to slash some of those by 2013....

[BanginJimmy]

Lilly Ledbetter act and that is just off of the top of my head. His approach to Israel as it pertains to Palestine.. I have to say I respect how he has handled that. You gun lovers should be happy that you can now carry a weapon in state parks.. oh, but only what he doesn't do gets attention. More strict regulations on lending institutions.. Whats interesting is if you look at the chart of the stock market since January, initial big drop in February then a gradual rise that has been consistent, looks like consumer confidence is up.

But honestly it doesn't matter what I state here because it will be rebutted.. sprinkled in with some tie in to Socialism and the vicious cycle continues from all the other threads that nobody gained anything from. Funny how more is expected of Obama when so little was expected the previous 8 years.. I wonder why.

Ledbetter, the bill, not the case, was a big deal over nothing at all. She may have gotten screwed back in 1979 when unequal pay was the norm, but the fact is that even with this legislation in place, she wouldnt have had a case.

The middle east is an area he needs to stay out of. 1 day he is dictating to Israel what they should do, the next he is saying that America shouldnt "mettle".

Moe strict regulation on lending institutions is all fine and dandy, but why not try to repeal the CRA and actually fix the problem instead of passing blame over to the lending institutions.

The stock market isnt a hard thing to explain. Hell, even the CBO said the stimulous would cause a short term rebound followed by a longer and deeper recession.

It doesnt matter what anyone says to you concerning Obama either. You will defend his every move, no matter what it is. You will take everything he says at face value, and clam that anyone that opposes his policies are just looking for reasons to attack him.
As for the socialism, how else would you like to reason away his taking over of private companies and industries?

[ShooterMcGavin]

hey i love the fact that he's taking over auto companies, my only question is when will we start getting dividends or getting free cars?

[tony]

You ask for what he has done then minimize it when I give it to you.. no suprise there. I'll just take that as I answered the question.

I agree totally with any of you that these companies shouldn't be bailed out, I disagree with Obama giving taxpayer money to banks and/or auto corporations in an attempt to bail them out. I could care less about his changes to Don't ask Don't Tell. I don't feel he addresses immigration properly, not enough development on alternative and renewable energy, his budget for 2009 is way high.. but just cause I don't join hands with you in being critical of him doesn't mean I don't have my own personal criticisms.

[ShooterMcGavin]

i'm not holding anyones hands here, i'm old enough to vote which means i'm at least old enough to cross the street by myself

[BanginJimmy]

You ask for what he has done then minimize it when I give it to you.. no suprise there. I'll just take that as I answered the question.

I agree totally with any of you that these companies shouldn't be bailed out, I disagree with Obama giving taxpayer money to banks and/or auto corporations in an attempt to bail them out. I could care less about his changes to Don't ask Don't Tell. I don't feel he addresses immigration properly, not enough development on alternative and renewable energy, his budget for 2009 is way high.. but just cause I don't join hands with you in being critical of him doesn't mean I don't have my own personal criticisms.

I minimized ledbetter because it is a pointless bill. Just like I give him no credit for reading his teleprompter. Just because the bill passed with him in office doesnt make it a good bill.


He doesnt address immigration much at all, and when he does, he advocates a failed policy of amnesty.

Saying his budget is way high is an understatement. He is taking EVERYTHING dems criticized Bush for, and doing the same things, only to a higher degree. Face it, Obama is a fraud whose policies have absolutely no chance in helping Americans and almost guarantee a degredation of our society.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Saying his budget is way high is an understatement. He is taking EVERYTHING dems criticized Bush for, and doing the same things, only to a higher degree. Face it, Obama is a fraud whose policies have absolutely no chance in helping Americans and almost guarantee a degredation of our society.

i can ALMOST believe that in the short term we need to spend more to kickstart the economy again...however, the fact that he doesn't think he'll actually be able to slash budget til 2013 just stinks to high heavens with me. to me that's his way of passing the buck on to the next guy and essentially saying he's not going to do shit to cut back while he's in office, all under the guise of "stimulating the economy".

[Professor Swagger]

lol this thread is one big trap! dont fall for it!

[bigdare23]

lol this thread is one big trap! dont fall for it!

You pretty much summed it up right there.

[Jaimecbr900]

Lilly Ledbetter act and that is just off of the top of my head.

You mean the bill that was passed into law after it'd already been defeated once under the last administration which allows someone to sue their employer because they didn't get "fair" pay, even if it's YEARS after the fact???

So now, even though Suzy from Accounting has been punching in and out all by her self for YEARS and she's been taking those 2 wks paid vacations EVERY year and she's been calling in sick several times a year and she surfs the internet on the clock and she maybe takes some reams of paper home when noone is looking.....that same Suzy then gets ticked off at work and sues her employer who then has to hire a battery of lawyers to prove she's only worth the $40k/yr she was already getting. That one?

I suppose it would be alright to also have a law the other way around. That way when the employer does inventory every year and there is "shrinkage", "loss", or "employee suspected theft", then the employer can then just start docking EVERYONE'S pay to make up for that lost revenue. Right? Why not? How do you think that employer above is going to make up all the lost revenue from frivolous lawsuits??? Money fairy? Employees and consumers is how, especially if it's a large publicly traded company (which are the only ones that will ever get sued because they have "deep pockets") which has to answer to stock holders. Ever been in a stock holder's meeting? Ever seen what happens when they deliver bad news? Well, that's how the crap begins to roll down hill as the saying goes. Stock holders lose money, the company then in turn cuts costs and increases prices to avoid that happening again. So in the end, WE all pay for Suzy to have her day in court. Awesome.

His approach to Israel as it pertains to Palestine.. I have to say I respect how he has handled that.

I don't know exactly what he did for Israel, but I did hear him ask for forgiveness for America always being a bully of the world when he went to the Middle East. Is that what you're talking about?

You gun lovers should be happy that you can now carry a weapon in state parks.. oh, but only what he doesn't do gets attention.

Obama's only real stance on gun control has been to say that he supports individual rights to bear arms. Ok, that's a start. Cool.

What's wrong with carrying a legally purchased weapon ANYWHERE really by a legally law abiding adult?

Ummm, that AR15 YOU wanted to buy......what about him saying that weapon serves no purpose in YOUR hands and therefore YOU should not be allowed to own it???? Is that ok? Why not?

More strict regulations on lending institutions..

There's a saying in Spanish that doesn't quite translate well, but applies here:

Lift up a dog's leg to see it's balls and THEN you call him a boy dog???

In other words......DUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH.

You mean that years after the PREVIOUS President said there needed to be more regulations to avoid the very problem that compounded the situation the economy is in (because lenders aren't the only ones to blame here) and the DEMOCRATS criticized, veto'd, and fillibustered the idea THEN only to whole heartedly miraculously support it NOW, this sudden about face by the new administration is cause for celebration???? Ok.

Whats interesting is if you look at the chart of the stock market since January, initial big drop in February then a gradual rise that has been consistent, looks like consumer confidence is up.

Yet his approval rating is down. Why is that?

[BanginJimmy]

Yet his approval rating is down. Why is that?

Dont get too caught up in approval ratings.

Right now Congress' Approval is 29%.
Dems approval is 49% and the Reps approval is 38%.

I wonder how that math works out.

The simple answer, the people that are polled dont know shit about what they are being polled about.

[ShooterMcGavin]

wonder if they give out free lollipops at the polls...