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    It's breaking news right now, but no surprise...

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/31/news...ooms/index.htm

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors, the nation's largest automaker and for decades an icon of American manufacturing, stood on the brink of a bankruptcy filing and a de facto government takeover on Monday.A bankruptcy petition will be filed at 8 a.m., according to a source with direct knowledge of the bankruptcy proceedings.

    President Obama will address the nation shortly before noon on Monday to explain the rationale for the filing and his hopes that this is the best route for a turnaround, two officials close to the situation told CNN.

    "Today will rank as another historic day for the company -- the end of an old General Motors and the beginning of a new one," the administration stated in documents released Sunday.

    Chapter 11 bankruptcy will aim to help GM emerge with only its more profitable plants, brands, dealerships and contracts. Unprofitable plants, contracts and other liabilities that the company can no longer afford would be left behind.

    The rescue of GM is being led by an unlikely coalition of the U.S. and Canadian governments and the company's employees and creditors.

    The Obama administration will commit another $30 billion on top of the $19.4 billion it has already given GM to cover its losses and fund its operations.

    The U.S. government will get a 60% equity stake in the new company after restructuring, as well as $8.8 billion in debt and preferred stock.

    A trust established to fund health care benefits for retirees of the United Auto Workers union will own 17.5%, and get the right to purchase another 2.5% of the company. The governments of Canada and Ontario will lend $9.5 billion and receive 12% of the equity in the new GM.

    Finally, bondholders who lent GM $27 billion will forgo much of what they are owed and instead get a 10% share of the new company plus the right to secure another 15%.

    In addition, investors who own 54% of those bonds have agreed to not fight plans for a quick bankruptcy. The deal could make it easier for GM to restructure by neutralizing some of the opposition to a bankruptcy filing.

    The ripple effect
    But for GM, the bankruptcy filing will be just the beginning of a major overhaul aimed at creating a much smaller company.

    As part of the reorganization, GM is expected to cut 20,000 jobs and close about a dozen plants by the end of 2010. The company has already said it will slash 40% of its network of 6,000 retail dealerships by next year and drop four of its brands -- Hummer, Saab, Saturn and Pontiac.

    The impact of GM's bankruptcy, which follows a Chapter 11 filing by Chrysler on April 30, will ripple across the nation to dealers, suppliers and other businesses large and small that work in the sector.

    The company, once the country's largest private sector employer, has only a fraction of its former staff. Its 80,000 hourly and salaried U.S. employees are half the number it had as recently as 2001.

    Nearly 500,000 U.S. retirees, as well as more than 150,000 of their family members, depend on GM health insurance and pension plans. Retirees will see cuts in their health care coverage, although the company's underfunded pension plans are not expected to be affected by a bankruptcy filing.

    In addition, some 300,000 employees at GM dealerships will be affected, as well as hundreds of thousands of workers at auto parts makers and other GM suppliers whose jobs depend on the company's survival.

    Road to bankruptcy
    The government takeover -- even one that aims to be temporary -- marks a dramatic turn for century-old GM, which has been brought to a whisper of insolvency by plummeting auto sales and huge losses.

    General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) has reported losses of more than $90 billion since 2005, while its share of the U.S. market has dropped to 19% from more than 40% in 1980.

    The company and Treasury Department officials, under the direction of Obama, have been negotiating for weeks with creditors and the UAW.

    But months of complicated talks and court fights remain.

    While most of the company's major bondholders have agreed to drop their fight in return for the stake in the company, many small bondholders vowed to fight the reorganization plan, arguing they deserved a larger stake in the company. They argued that Treasury and the union trust fund got too large a stake in the company given their losses.

    But it is likely that GM's stock will not be publicly traded for at least 6 to 18 months. Current GM stockholders will see their holdings in the company completely wiped out by the bankruptcy filing.

    GM stock closed trading Friday at 75 cents a share. Adjusted for stock splits, it marked the first time the stock finished at that level since 1932.

    Taxpayers would make back the money loaned to GM if shares of the new company increase dramatically in value someday following a successful bankruptcy.

    A senior administration official said Sunday that the government is only taking a majority stake in order to try to recapture some of the money that is being provided to GM -- and not to exert control over the company or make decisions on what cars to make or how to make them.

    "It is not something we sought or desired. It's a necessary outcome," he said.

    The government would try to get back as much money as possible but would also sell its stake as soon as possible, the official said. "There's a natural tension between those two goals."

    Many experts have questioned whether the government will be able to recapture its investment in the next few years. GM will still be contending with weak demand for autos and competition from much stronger rivals such as Toyota Motor (TM) and Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500).

    Administration officials said they would not be making decisions about directors, although they will be consulted about new board members. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson, who got the job earlier this year when the government forced Rick Wagoner out of the top job, is expected to stay in place, according to an administration official.

    Several administration officials said they believe this latest cash infusion will be enough to see the company back to once again being a competitive company, although they would not rule out additional help if the company continued to struggle.


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    GM is now officially called Government Motors. It will be in worse shape than it was before and we will see more sharply declining sales in the coming years as all of the vehicles that people actually want will be scrapped in favor of smart cars and other econo boxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    GM is now officially called Government Motors. It will be in worse shape than it was before and we will see more sharply declining sales in the coming years as all of the vehicles that people actually want will be scrapped in favor of smart cars and other econo boxes.


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    Man I've been saying that for months. 3 months ago it was barely trading over a dollar and its now at 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redGT
    Man I've been saying that for months. 3 months ago it was barely trading over a dollar and its now at 6.

    The sad part is that I thought that Ford was going to be the one that went into bankruptcy first and GM was going to be the big winner.

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    I thought it was going to be the other way around. I hate being right all the time lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    GM is now officially called Government Motors. It will be in worse shape than it was before and we will see more sharply declining sales in the coming years as all of the vehicles that people actually want will be scrapped in favor of smart cars and other econo boxes.


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    I almost did but I also thought GM was gonna be the winner here. Ahh well

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    gm will be sent to south america along with chrysler for newer cheaper plant. but i think they will put out some "NEW" technology that the gov't has had locked in the patent office basement they will start doing. since they are tied to chrysler i figured it's only a matter of time before the fall.

    GM=Government motors, that kind of has a ring to it. and just think they offer payment protection and all this crap now and they still cant sell cars. hmmm think about that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    and just think they offer payment protection and all this crap now and they still cant sell cars. hmmm think about that one.
    What gives you this impression? The only company that sells for vehicles than GM is Toyota.

    In 2008 GM sold 2.95 million vehicles and is the world's #2 auto manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    What gives you this impression? The only company that sells for vehicles than GM is Toyota.

    In 2008 GM sold 2.95 million vehicles and is the world's #2 auto manufacturer.
    So...what happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    What gives you this impression? The only company that sells for vehicles than GM is Toyota.

    In 2008 GM sold 2.95 million vehicles and is the world's #2 auto manufacturer.
    well toyota had it's first loss last quarter in sales. they are selling cars, but not enough NOW and any auto company in not so good shape is in trouble right now. people just are not buying cars like we used too.

    but when management makes 60mil a year and runs the company in the ground has got to go, but they should not be replaced by obama. honestly they may have been setup to fail as a way for wall street to make more profit, who knows. i know when gas went up last summer people had a hard time filling up their tanks just to go to work. watch the energy non crisis one day, it was recorded before prices went up and everything the man said has happened, even prices now going back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondachik
    So...what happened?
    Legacy costs imposed by the unions. Just a 15% cut in union retiree's pay from 95% down to 80% would free up more than 50B a year in cash for GM.



    Another way to look at it, if GM had the same man-hour costs as Toyota does they would be a very profitable company. Still not as profitable as Toyota though as Toyota uses fewer dealerships in order to inflate prices.

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    If the union is going to get the same amount, if not more of a share in this "new gm"...wouldn't this equal double fail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    well toyota had it's first loss last quarter in sales. they are selling cars, but not enough NOW and any auto company in not so good shape is in trouble right now. people just are not buying cars like we used too.
    Every car company is having sales losses right now. It has nothing to do with the companies or the vehicles, its just a weak economy.

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    but when management makes 60mil a year and runs the company in the ground has got to go,
    60 million is nothing. GM is spending 100x that much a month on legacy costs alone. Not to mention current labor costs.



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    but they should not be replaced by obama. honestly they may have been setup to fail as a way for wall street to make more profit, who knows. i know when gas went up last summer people had a hard time filling up their tanks just to go to work. watch the energy non crisis one day, it was recorded before prices went up and everything the man said has happened, even prices now going back up.
    Back to the conspiracy theories again huh. You really do watch way too much TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hondachik
    If the union is going to get the same amount, if not more of a share in this "new gm"...wouldn't this equal double fail?

    yes it would. And yes, Obama knows this and doesnt care. It will get votes and that is all that matters.


    The unions are very heavily politically backed. That has prevented the Big 3 from ousting them in the past. Now that GM and Chrysler are controlled by the govt, it will be even harder. With 2 of the big 3 owned by the govt, it will also be easier to push Ford into insolvency by using our tax money to subsidize cheaper cars to under sell foreign and domestic competition.

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    Awesome. Sounds like a plan. I just wish they could have gotten rid of those 4 brands before filing bankruptcy. I mean, it kinda makes u feel like u lost your independency. Kinda like the CEO of GM should now be wearing Depends to work instead of his tighty whities. I think GM could have looked at other options and tried harder before settling to this.


    The union should also be ashamed. How could you let the same company that has paid for u and help you live the comfortable life you're living right now...go under. I mean, give up a little bit of something. Selfish assholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondachik
    The union should also be ashamed. How could you let the same company that has paid for u and help you live the comfortable life you're living right now...go under. I mean, give up a little bit of something. Selfish assholes.

    If you ask the unions they have given up tons, but in all reality they havent given up much of anything.

    If GM was to come out tomorrow and say they were canceling all Union contracts they would not get a single cent more from the govt. Not that that's a bad thing as they could recover without govt assistance if they didnt have the unions, but politicians would absolutely bury GM afterwards.

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    Wait a sec...i thought sense Gm went bankrupt that severed all contracts with the union?

    I could have swore i heard that a few months ago on CNN that when they did go bankrupt that it would do that. If not then eh..my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoTa_BoX
    Wait a sec...i thought sense Gm went bankrupt that severed all contracts with the union?

    I could have swore i heard that a few months ago on CNN that when they did go bankrupt that it would do that. If not then eh..my bad.

    Legally GM can void any and all contracts with its bankruptcy, just like Chrysler could. Look where Chrysler is now though. Obama stepped in and forced a deal that gave the UAW a senior stake in the company even though they were a minority bond holder. The majority bond holders were screwed and given $.30 on the dollar of their investment in return.

    The UAW is a VERY strong union and they have massive political backing in Michigan and Washington D.C. Until that political backing dries up, the Big 3 have no chance of dumping the unions, thereby no chance at becoming profitable when competing with the imports that do not have to pay for the unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Every car company is having sales losses right now. It has nothing to do with the companies or the vehicles, its just a weak economy.



    60 million is nothing. GM is spending 100x that much a month on legacy costs alone. Not to mention current labor costs.





    Back to the conspiracy theories again huh. You really do watch way too much TV.
    actually i dont watch much tv at all, if i did i prob would not have these views and would be content like everyone else.
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