Wow this is by far one of the best threads in this section, props and reps to all that posted in it. But back on topic at this point in time the only way we will see any type of reform in America is by moving to one extreme or the other. By that I mean A). We will move to the Far left ( headed there now) or B). we will move to the Far right. But the possibility for a second civil war is always a very strong. Though in the end we will still end up with the above two situations. Myself I hope for more of the Libertarian approach and get the Gov't out of money and business, but that's just me.