Status of the Election

[JR VQ 30 de]

i'm going to buy mr. kidd & redgt a beer saturday. i'm going to buy banginjimmy the bar.

reps to everyone for the good debates and discussions. once this is all over...i won't have anything to watch on tv! i guess it's back to watching the speed channel.

lol

[bigdare23]

The Sore Loser of the night award goes to... drum roll ladies and gentlemen.............Bangin Jimmy....

Sore Loser of the Night Award should come with a month banning

[E46//M3]

lets get ready for a socialist....

[DrivenMind]

My mom just landed in New York earlier this afternoon, she sent me a text saying every time Obama wins a state you can the entire city cheering. Says she's never heard anything like it.

[BanginJimmy]

I knew Obama would win. McCain's campaign was just to full of shit, and scare tactics to get very far.

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

[osnap]

woo

[Alan®]

Like Pelosi and Reid?

They are Majority Leaders not Cabinet Members.

[Echonova]

whether you like to believe it or not there are lots of race issues in this country still today. this has nothing to do w/ media but fact. we live in the south KKK was born and still lives here. i know this and i'm very very WHITE

Troo story. I never thought of my marriage as being bi-racial until I moved back here.

[4dmin]

I know there are still racists but that is by no means race issues. When was the last time a black was denied a job due to his race? When was the last time a white was denied a job due to his race? I'll be more whies are denied jobs due to race than black because of Affirmative Action. If anything, there are more race issues with blacks blaming/hating whites for all of their woes than there are whites blaming/hating black.

i don't understand your point b/c your proving mine... race is still a HUGE factor in this world and hopefully getting a black president will not only empower blacks, but women and other minorities. this can have an awesome reversal effect... your oprah, jackson, sharpton will nothing to compalin about. this is a great season for the white man... OJ we can give them presidentcy - lol

People are blaming repubs for many things that are at the very least rooted in dem legislation, if not actually put into practice by dems. The last 2 years have been a perfect example of what the dems can do when they get a majority, absolutely nothing unless it follows party lines. Part of that is the absolutely aimless campaign by McCain, part of that is the uneducated voters.

first off when you are in power most of your policies don't take affect right away. even when obama takes charge we are still looking at 2 more years of bush policies. but you are trying to say the past two years of dems majority is cause for our failures... sorry man you missed the boat.

[BanginJimmy]

Someone is being a sore loser. Like a mf'er. Chalk it up to what is, a loss.

Race issues extend beyond what your perception of it being only about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.


Guess you don't claim David Duke, huh?

When was the last time you saw David Duke on the news spewing his hate? I rememd all the hate Sharpton and Jackon were spewing durig the Jena 6 issues and the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco.

[Alan®]

i'm going to buy mr. kidd & redgt a beer saturday. i'm going to buy banginjimmy the bar.

reps to everyone for the good debates and discussions. once this is all over...i won't have anything to watch on tv! i guess it's back to watching the speed channel.

Too bad I'm only 19 .

[DrivenMind]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

Incorrect, and the entire country could tell. I don't have to refute this, anyone who isn't a die hard republican can tell you that I'm not bullshitting.

[DrivenMind]

lets get ready for a socialist....

Don't be ignorant.

[4dmin]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

well nothing wrong w/ that b/c it was the truth for mccains voting record.

one more point i know many have brought up many many times they are voting only b/c he is black... i guess white males voted mccain b/c he is white... current numbers are showing mccain won white male vote.

[Vteckidd]

Too bad I'm only 19 .

I know people at the line your fine

[JConner]

Too bad I'm only 19 .

damn that sucks for you! i'll drink one for you!


Edit: Nevermind... Mr. Kidd knows people

[BanginJimmy]

i don't understand your point b/c your proving mine... race is still a HUGE factor in this world and hopefully getting a black president will not only empower blacks, but women and other minorities. this can have an awesome reversal effect... your oprah, jackson, sharpton will nothing to compalin about. this is a great season for the white man... OJ we can give them presidentcy - lol

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?

first off when you are in power most of your policies don't take affect right away. even when obama takes charge we are still looking at 2 more years of bush policies. but you are trying to say the past two years of dems majority is cause for our failures... sorry man you missed the boat.

I know this, but you cannot say that the dems have passed any significant legislation that will do anything but hinder our recovery from the issues we have now.
The legislation I was talking about though was more geared towards the Clinton Admin with the CRA which led to the housing boom and the meltdown and the subsequent credit issues, which led to most other problems we have now.

[4dmin]

so what i'm wondering is stevens in alaska was convicted but he is still on the ticket... how can he win? i guess if he does it goes to run off?

[BobbyFresco]

When was the last time you saw David Duke on the news spewing his hate? I rememd all the hate Sharpton and Jackon were spewing durig the Jena 6 issues and the Duke Lacrosse team fiasco.

You saw them spewing hate or you saw them being opportunists?

However, David Duke has been on tv spewing his hateful rhetoric.

Seriously with the whole victimology routine you have going, you are no better than a Black man who blames his failures on everyone but himself.

[Alan®]

I know people at the line your fine

Thanks for the offer but I'll pass

[BobbyFresco]

PS: where are the riots?

[ironchef]

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?

You'll end up paying for it one way or another. If its not increased taxes, it will be through inflation and wealth redistribution lulz.

[DrivenMind]

I was looking at the maps. lol @ almost the entire southeast nearly voting for McCain...

[Alan®]

DAMN VIRGINIA WAS FUCKING CLOSE

[BanginJimmy]

one more point i know many have brought up many many times they are voting only b/c he is black... i guess white males voted mccain b/c he is white... current numbers are showing mccain won white male vote.

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.

[BobbyFresco]

All I can say is I am thoroughly surprised by MrKidd and RedGT.
Gracious.

[tony]

so what i'm wondering is stevens in alaska was convicted but he is still on the ticket... how can he win? i guess if he does it goes to run off?

I talked to my dad tonight (he's still in Alaska) and he told me two things: The people are pissed with Stevens and they are pissed with Palin. The latter suprised me more than anything, he said she will receive a cold reception when she comes back.

[Alan®]

Hey Paul. I know we already have the wall street section and all but any way once you guys close this section down we can get AN ACTUAL political subforum?

[Alan®]

I talked to my dad tonight (he's still in Alaska) and he told me two things: The people are pissed with Stevens and they are pissed with Palin. The latter suprised me more than anything, he said she will receive a cold reception when she comes back.

Details?

[DrivenMind]

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.

Dude GTFO with your hate, and bullshit.

[4dmin]

I hope you are right but I really dont see it. With an increase in govt handouts it will only increase the number of people that expect them. When I said I was going to cut off my insurance from work I wasnt kidding. Why should I pay for it if the govt will give it to me for free?

this is very large misunderstanding on what he is trying to do... i will break it down for b/c i know alittle bit about this as i worked for one of the largest TPAs for 6 years.

he is proposing using gov buying power to get same policy benefits he has for regular americans...

THIS IS NOT FREE. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY. BUT IF IT IS BETTER THEN YOUR CURRENT INSURANCE THEN YOU CAN BUY IN.

now why would we do this... more people on a plan the better the benefits. this is why fortune 500 companies have better benefits then private companies. mainly b/c of buying power. considering Joe The Plumber has been quite the topic lets look at what it would cost Joe's Company for healthcare. Well say he employs under 10 employees. Decent healthcare would roughly run 500$ a month per person. Lets say one of those people gets diabetus or has cancer; once he goes to renew his package his rates will be recalculated and that 500$ could go up to 600$ b/c of 1 employee. now w/ the buying power of 100,000s of members your rates could be significantly lower like 100$

[Alan®]

All I can say is I am thoroughly surprised by MrKidd and RedGT.
Gracious.

Being a sore loser doesn't change the fact you still lost.

[BanginJimmy]

Hey Paul. I know we already have the wall street section and all but any way once you guys close this section down we can get AN ACTUAL political subforum?

we do need one. After I finish feeling sorry for myself I can get abck to realistic debate.

[DrivenMind]

You were never debating realistically to begin with Jimmy.

[BobbyFresco]

Being a sore loser doesn't change the fact you still lost.

You should share some of that attitude w/someone else.

[BanginJimmy]

McCains was no more full of shit than Obama's, but Obama had the Bush trump card to play and he played it well.

DrivenMind, what about this is incorrect? Obama never says how he will pay for even half of his new programs. He has no answers as to how he will regulate his new handout programs to prevent the rampant abuse we see in other govt progams. The unanswered questions concerning his campaign far outweigh the ones he has answeed.

[4dmin]

I'm sure his race was the main issue for a couple million voters, but it was a couple million spread out over 50 states and msot of those are going to be neutralized by whites that wont vote for a black.




For those of you that think I am simply being bitter you are wrong. I seriously think Obama will do serious and longlasting damage to this country with his policies. Looking at his ambitions he wants to push this country even further towards a welfare nation. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do vor you, but what you can do for your country" Obama is campaigning on exactly the opposite. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Obviously that is going to sound good to alot of people, but to anyone that really thinks about it, it will only cause this country to fall further from grace.

its funny you say JFK b/c i've said a couple times he has the possibility to be JFK of modern times... now this won't get done by playing LEFT he needs to first bring the nation together then he needs to help out the majority of america... take that as you wish.

[BanginJimmy]

You were never debating realistically to begin with Jimmy.

actually I was, I just dont agree with your saviors ideas.

[4dmin]

DrivenMind, what about this is incorrect? Obama never says how he will pay for even half of his new programs. He has no answers as to how he will regulate his new handout programs to prevent the rampant abuse we see in other govt progams. The unanswered questions concerning his campaign far outweigh the ones he has answeed.

but this was mccain failure as well... mccain repeadidly said i'm going to cut earmarks... thats 18 billion. that won't balance a budget. so again it goes both ways. furthermore he picked a running mate that is the complete opposite of what they ran on when it comes to earmarks and spending

[tony]

Details?

I'll have to ask him when he calls back, he was just calling to ask how things were going down here. The blog on this page shows that people think she lost herself in the midst of the election

http://www.adn.com/elections/story/578634.html