Quote Originally Posted by stephen
lol...u tried to make a poit using a 2002 & 2004 table.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sorry I couldn't find any newer numbers. Find me new numbers from the census bureau and I'll alter my argument. $20 says it won't be all that different

you should do a LITTLE more research, and take ALL of the figures into consideration.
Right cause I just copied and pasted my argument.

this year alone...we've had 7 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF SALARY DECREASES WITH THE SMALL BUSINESS SECTOR (from jan 08 to aug 08). the irony is, there was a 234 unit increase in hiring within the small business sector (during that same time period 1/08 - 8/08)...why do you think that is??? small businesses have resorted to increasing staff at lower wages....*GASP* WHY IS THAT????
HMM IDK maybe because the economy is in the toilet .Just because the economy goes to crap doesn't mean people can just fold. While companies have laid off people and now as you suggest rehired at a lower cost, do you think that maybe because the company needs these people to function but can't afford to pay what it normally would .I always love how democrats portray anyone who makes a buck to be an evil and greedy individual with no moral compass.

also take into consideration 2 key factors during the 2002 era....the massive economic surplus and lower cost of living during that time period, and the influx in self-employment due to the "dot com bubble" (how many ppl left their full-time jobs to seek dot com self employment).
Right but that's where you're getting confused because I'm not counting them the way Obama does.


not to mention...we were already at war with afghanistan, and entered iraq in 2003...2 other factors that increase jobs IN GENERAL (specifically during 2004...i.e. military contractors...CONTRACTORS....CONTRACTORS).
Agreed

with the current state of our economy, increased cost of living (i graduated high school in 02...i remember fuel ALONE being 3 times cheaper than it is now...less than $2 per gallon in 02 AND 04), and in increased unemployment rate...it's impossible for those figures to hold TODAY'S value. let's just consider fuel ALONE (WHICH IS A TAX DEDUCTION FOR BUSINESSES)...the price has increased over 100% SINCE THAT TIME.

lol, you suggested in another post that i start a small business. in the words of john mccain..."i have, my friend..." i'm actually in the process of introducing my SECOND. when you find the figures for 2008...better yet...ANYTHING AFTER 2004...let me know.
Honestly tried looking for an hour couldn't find anything I wouldn't have a problem using as a source.

OH...and in response to your "paid leave" gripe:

do you know what FMLA stands for? did you know IT'S A LAW (enacted in 1993)? here's a link to give you a little more info on it...
I know what FMLA is. I also know that by cutting the requirement in half for who has to follow this puts more operating costs on the backs of employers who, as you have already said, are paying more and more in operating costs.u





the second part i bolded...yeah...that's the part you "left out."
I left it out because I was talking about the pur principle of it and I have actually dealt with the entirety of what he said in another thread . But I'll talk about it again. Who do you think is going to paid for all these week vacations? Surely not the people who are going to be taking these paid vacations. Especially since the people these are aimed at will be seeing that tax deduction.

i might just be pissing in the wind on this one, but i take it you've never had a real job before, never get sick/injured
Pissing in the wind there buddy.