Like you using the liberal media as your sources?..... :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
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Like you using the liberal media as your sources?..... :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
You don't want to "see" it because you choose not to. I did put up several links to where I read what I quoted. You choose not to believe that because you say they're biased. They may very well be, but if the Obama camp can't refute it, then just WHO is right?Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
Here you go, more non-existant "sources" about what OBAMA himself said in several different interviews with the media on the subject:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...-targeted.html
Highlight comments:
"ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson report: Barack Obama came under fire from the McCain campaign on Tuesday for backing state legislation which would have armed public school teachers in Illinois - including those who teach students as young as kindergarten - with sex education standards."
Note: "Sex education standards" refers to OBAMA'S own proposal to the Illinois state legislature that HE tried to get thru there which uses the "standards" set forth by
"The criticism of Obama on sex education stems from his work in the Illinois state senate on legislation which would have taken the state's entire sex education standards, which related to 6th through 12th grade, and applied them to all of K-12."
Note: Again, right here, your very trustworthy:rolleyes: ABC News is reporting/explaining that Obama's "plan", which he has already admitted he would push for if he becomes President, basically entails pushing an already existing 6-12 sex ed and just push it back to include K-12. In other words, use the SAME STANDARDIZED AND APPROVED plan/guidelines that is used NOW for 6-12 graders and incorporate it to include K-5 graders too. The only difference is the notion of "age appropriate", BUT as mentioned above he admits that the definition of "age appropriate" will be left UP TO local school systems WHICH ALREADY ADHERE TO THE "STANDARDS" set forth BY . So put 2 and 2 together. He may not have come out and said "I want Kindergarden students to learn about condoms, masturbation, and homosexuality..." BUT he does want to use the same "standards" that include exactly that as part of the curriculum.
"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,'" Obama told the Daily Herald. "'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"
Note: Obama is double talking here. On one hand he SAYS he wants age appropriate teaching, but on the other he is going to leave that decision of what IS age appropriate to school systems he KNOWS use the standards set forth by .
I'll continue when I get back.
you still didn't support your previous arguements... you HAVE NO PROOF OBAMA WANTS TO K GRADE TO LEARN ABOUT CONDOMS, HOMOSEXUALS, ABORTION, ETC ETC AS YOU PREVIOUSLY POSTED....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
Obama is for APPROPRIATE SEX ED for K grade "inappropriate touching"... ya that is such a bad thing :lmfao:
FURTHERMORE YOU SAID YOU HAD HIS CURRICULUM WHERE IS IT B/C YOU CAN'T SUPPORT THAT W/ ANYTHING YOU POSTED?
BY THE WAY I ORGINALLY POSTED THAT LINK AND YOU FORGOT TO LEAVE OUT THIS PORTION OF IT WHICH WAS QUITE BETTER
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“It is shameful and downright perverse," said Burton, "for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls -- a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn’t define what honor was. Now we know why."
This argument has been busted already... so many times. Your source just says he wants "standards" and it doesn't say what the "standards" are. You are all going on an explanation of the plan thats not even a full paragraph. Tell me where he has a detailed plan of what he wants to teach grades k-6. You won't find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
So how are we supposed to get information? Should we just believe everything that comes from John McCains mouth and not seek info to the contrary? Is the only good news Fox News and is it only good when it supports Mac?:crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by richw131
I posted links to full-text .pdf's from the Library of Congress database... original sources, not from the "news media". And it seems that no one read them:screwy::crazy:
Well, if you are looking for un-biased information, the liberal media is not the answer.... :goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
So it looks like you read about as much of my post as the others read of yours, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
I quoted Paul (i.e. admin). Reading FTL
THANK YOU. Jaime is trying to imply christian opinion/values into political FACTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
Obama wants standards for sex ed for all grades... well he must mean teaching K grade about screwing, homosexuals, and abortions...
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Originally Posted by Rich
I've read every post in this thread. and I have yet to see anyone on the right Wing side of this issue present an original source (i.e. a full-text of legislation, video of a speech or a senate session, congressional voting records, etc) that says what Obama will or won't require taught to grades K through 6.
The "liberal media" as you say might be biased, but when you look at the original sources for their information you can wade through any BIAS pretty effectively, and that goes for all media from CNN to CBN. As long as you recognize what their bias is and seek the original source of their information you can get a pretty good grip on the story. I watch just as much FOX as I watch CNN. Hell, I probably watch more FOX just to get the opposing view.
And it also depends on who you watch, almost every network has their liberals and conservatives. I mean CNN has a 3 hour block of conservatives Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace during prime time. But I have never *ever* seen a liberal commentator/anchor/etc on FOX. You can say Colmes is a liberal, but really? Have you read his books? He basically twists things around to support the conservatives from a liberal stance and makes apologies/excuses for why conservative policies are failing. :crazy:
man i can't stand her... just how she talks and how the show flips to other commentators... i'm just like :crazy: when i watch itQuote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
Yeah, its hard to watch. The only good parts of her shows are the callers/guests who pwn her all the time. :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
you owe me a new monitor..i just spit water all over it :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...kc/foxnews.jpg
Propaganda: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause
I have, but you just refuse to see it. So ONCE AGAIN, here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
These are direct quotes from SIECUS's own curriculum posted on their website....
"To help educators meet the needs of young people, SIECUS recently published the Third Edition of the Guidelines for Comprehensive Sexuality Education; K–12. Developed by a task force of experts, the Guidelines set forth the key concepts, topics, and messages that would ideally be included in a comprehensive sexuality education program or curriculum. The Guidelines are not a curriculum but provide a framework for educators to create curricula or evaluate existing programs."
"To make it easier for educators to find exactly what they need, the resources are grouped by topic areas which correspond to many of the topics included in the Guidelines. The topic areas are: Multiple Sexuality Topics (for comprehensive programs and those that address a number of topics simultaneously), Puberty, Sexual Orientation, Abstinence, Pregnancy Prevention, HIV/STDs and Safer Sex, and Sexual Abuse. Additional sections include Resources for Educators and Spanish Language materials. Please note that some resources are listed more than once as they cover more than one specific topic area."
"All About Life: Grades K–4 Caring About Myself, My Family, and My Community
Caren Monastersky and Ellen Phillips-Angeles
This curriculum emphasizes social skills and is designed to prepare young people to care about themselves, their family, and their community. It consists of 20 lessons for grades K–2 and 20 lessons for grades 3–4 on such subjects as friendship, disability, feelings, families, sexual abuse prevention, anger, space, staying healthy, anatomy, babies, and pregnancy."
"These six skills-based curricula are designed to provide information about human development and reproduction and to promote young people’s respect for and appreciation of themselves, their families, and others. The curricula cover such subjects as puberty, sexual health and hygiene, reproductive systems, pregnancy, contraception, abstinence, sexual orientation, HIV/AIDS, STDs, sexual exploitation, and lifelong sexuality. Updated HIV & other lessons are available on line at www.metrokc.gov/health/famplan/flash"
"Filling the Gaps: Hard-to-Teach Topics in Sexuality Education
Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS)
This teacher’s manual covers eight topics—abstinence, condom use, diversity, pregnancy options, safer sex, sexual behavior, sexual identity and orientation, and sexuality and society—that are often missing from or need strengthening in sexuality education programs. It provides background for teachers, rationale for teaching each topic, lesson plans, and information on additional resources. It is designed to supplement an existing curriculum."
"Our Whole Lives
Elizabeth Casparian, Eva Goldfarb, Richard Kimball, Barbara Sprung, Pamela M. Wilson
Our Whole Lives is a series of sexuality education curricula for five age groups: grades K–1, grades 4–6, grades 7–9, grades 10–12, and adults. It is designed to help participants make informed and responsible decisions about their sexual health and behavior by providing accurate, age-appropriate information in six subject areas: human development, relationships, personal skills, sexual behavior, sexual health, and society and culture. Sexuality and Our Faith is an optional component for use in religious settings. Educators must complete a training program before implementing the curriculum."
"Promoting Healthy Sexuality
Family Planning Association of Maine
This comprehensive curriculum covers grades K–3, 4–6, 7–8, and 9–12. Some of the key subject areas addressed include: communication, self-esteem, puberty, decision-making, birth control, sexual orientation, and disease prevention."
"When I’m Grown: Life Planning Education K–2
Advocates for Youth
This skills-based curriculum for grades K–2 consists of 50 discussions and activities designed to introduce the basic knowledge, attitudes, and skills that children need in order to participate successfully in adolescence and adult life. Topics include: self-understanding, family, growth and development, friendship, sexuality, life skills, health promotion, and careers."
"Healthy Sexuality: An Abstinence-Based Curriculum for Middle Schools
Louise Miller and Kay Nation
This curriculum, which focuses on abstinence, includes activities on sexual terminology and puberty, defining and maintaining healthy sexuality, resisting peer pressure, and finding and using support. It consists of 10 sequential lessons, many of which contain a homework assignment for students to complete with a parent or other trusted adult. An optional condom lesson is also included."
"Life Facts: AIDS
This curriculum, which is part of a seven topic set for adolescents and adults with mild-to-moderate developmental disabilities, teaches the dangers of AIDS, how it spreads, and how to reduce exposure to the disease. It includes non-explicit as well as explicit versions of lessons on high-risk behavior. The program comes with 56 laminated illustrations and a comprehensive curriculum guide. Educators will need to update some of the HIV/AIDS information."
Again, these are just certain excerpts from the long a$$ curriculum outline that SIECUS has published as a resource for EDUCATORS to buy, use, and go off of. I'm not saying this is what they WILL use, although even the Obama camp acknowledges that SIECUS is in fact the biggest resource used by educators when they are working up a curriculum. Does that mean it ends up being taught as outlined? No. Does that mean there is a possibility? Yes.
So let's put 2 and 2 together Paul......Obama says he is FOR K-12 sex ed. No dispute there, right? Ok, stay with me here and follow the dots. In an interview, which I believe was televised, Obama camp was asked..."What do you mean by "age-appropriate sex ed" for K-12?".....OBAMA'S PRESS SEC....directly said that SIECUS guidelines (which HE TOO SAID is used by the vast majority of school systems to come up with their curriculum) was a good place to start (not verbatim, but I'm going off memory here). So essentially, Obama steps on an ant pile and then walks away leaving "the local school systems", which he KNOWS uses the SIECUS curriculum as a guide, to decide what he has announced as a new great idea.
That's like me, a layman, walking into an operating room and looking down at the patient on the table and saying, "ummm, yeah....you can fix him...." and then walking away. Well, just HOW are we going to fix him???.....so I just throw them a medical book and say, "here, use this".....:thinking:
That's nothing more than double talk. Everyone praises him for his "new ideas" and "change", yet it all amounts to nothing really. He was asked what he meant by "age appropriate" and he told the media, SIECUS. We look at SIECUS and they talk about the things I quoted above. Then people want to defend it as "his" idea and "he only wants age-appropriate teaching" but none of you can figure out WHO is going to make that determination. THE GOV'T is going to, just like any other school function. So here we go again.....:rolleyes:
There's your "proof" Paul, but I'm sure you're not going to like this either so it will just be shelved in the no good file.
AGAIN this is not proof - media asked and if i'm not mistaken Obama rep said "look into whatever state (oregon) uses" which happens to use SIECUS and you now say he supports teaching grade K about HOMOSEXUALS, ABORTION, ETC... that is a very far exaggeration and good slueth work inspector gadget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
FURTHERMORE IF HE SUPPORTS SIECUS DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE THAT ON THEIR SITE? GUESS WHAT NO MENTION OF HIM ON THERE.
YOU SAID IT WAS TELEVISED SHOW US THE FOOTAGE? YOU AND YOUR CBN SAID IT WAS ON MSNBC... GUESS WHAT THERE IS NO RECORD OF THIS.
Again "connecting dots" w/o actual proof verbatim (ie. voting record, policy, video, interview)... this sounds like 9/11 conspiracy. Guy is for teaching kids sex ed (grade k = inappropriate touching) and now you think he wants to demoralize your children. i guess you forget he has two young daughters - i'm sure he had indepth disucssions w/ them about masterbation, homosexuals, abortions, etc at 5 yrs old. :rolleyes:
I just read the plan you posted and I don't see anything in it that implies that a full sex-ed curricula will be taught to grades k-6. Programs listed have K as the beginning grade but it does not say that the full curricula given in kindergarten.
So, why did all of this turn into a debate about sex-ed!? WTF!!!!