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Originally Posted by tony
Oh and let's not forget...because she also has a vagina...
Apparently vagina> real credibility.
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Originally Posted by tony
Oh and let's not forget...because she also has a vagina...
Apparently vagina> real credibility.
Faux news referred to Michelle as Barack's "Baby Mama" lets see if they refer to Palin's daughter as the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
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Originally Posted by tony
lol:lmfao:
wow this is the best that the obama camp can come up with after all the bs related to race and his past coming up? no wonder he's slipping in the polls ;)
leave it to Wayne to lighten the moodQuote:
Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
ps. I've got chickfila feebees for ya son! You comin to the V?
o snap, the V is this thur isn't it....hmmmm i'll have to seriously consider it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reaper
I just hope he can give me some more lol He apparently got in trouble recently cuz he gives so many out hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
Yes they indeed have. Look at this thread as an example of how deep people will dig when they are looking for straws to grasp. When you have no credibility and only a pretty smile, you will look for anything to help your cause. This is just but exhibit A of how the Democratic party plays politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
We've all read it. Pull the troops out, leave another war unfinished, let the Terrorists fill the void. Got it. It's the same battle cry the Democratic party has been singing for over a decade. It's not "new" nor "change". Anyone can have a "foreign policy". Hell, I have one. Question is, can you get it DONE? This is where lack of experience and pull comes into play, although the Obama camp wants to down play it.Quote:
theres plenty of foreign policy obama speaks about....u can read if ur interested
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
That's one. I'll come back for the rest in a little while after son's football practice.....:rolleyes:
Ok my Dad pays my bills. So all of a sudden because of that I'm not entitled to an opinion? :lmfao: That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me and you're pretty well educated if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
Again please point out to me other than this campaign, and The Harvard Law Review(which again is basically nothing more than a school newspaper), what has Obama managed on a day to day basis that has had a major impact on people's lives. This is something that nobody has been able to show me since the start of this campaign hence why I don't believe he is ready. His voting record while clear, his statements in the press are constantly changing.
She's hot
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Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
Agreed x 1000.
dayum your son's football practice why can't you be more like palin :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
mccain has a good foriegn policy? i mean honestly there hasn't been on shred of press on what he plans on doing more on what him and bush see eye to eye which you and i both know has not worked for this past decade.
again - people like the guy on first impression that alone says alot. people can not stand bush and it is well known - he is seen as the antichrist in many countries.
again you have selective reading skills - the guy was a practicing civil rights lawyer and then taught constitutional law which from what i know... the constitution is what we are founded on. so i would go to say he probably knows law and US gov infrastructure better then anyone on the ticket. he has 4 years as sentor to top it off to put him on the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by redGT
you again are trying to debate a chick who has journalism degree 0% exp is in the same class as a guy w/ a law degree from harvard and years exp in law/senate. dude it is no contest you are trying to move focus off the facts. palin is a nobody and is far from the person the republicans were expecting to take the place of hilary. feminazis are not going to vote for her especially now showing is the a very weak role model for women. she can't even manage her household and you want to put her in power of the worlds most powerful country :rolleyes: please.
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lol I'd love for you to tell one of the Editors of the Harvard Law Review that it is just a school newspaper. Do you even realize what it takes to get there?
And why does the line of experience continually get pushed back. First it was show you ONE thing, then its show you ANOTHER, now its something else. Your approval doesn't matter because its obviously biased. Obama had more individuals organized on super tuesday than Palin has governed in her entire life. He's taken his campaign to 50 states and then some, she pushed legislation on hunting.. :thinking:
Your sig link doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
I'm not selectively reading anything. I have heard it from you and Tony that the guy graduated from Harvard and taught constitutional law etc. My honest of Obama is this. The guy is more than qualified to be oh IDK Attorney General or a Judge but not YET ready to be president. Like you said he has an awesome knowledge of the Constitution but yet to prove that he has the leadership necessary to do the job. To me Obama is just another excuse for this country to leave the line Personal Responsibility and Government Duty. People are doing less and less for themselves but yet want more and more from the government hence why so many people like Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
Again like you said my dad pays my bills so I'm not entitled to an opinion :rolleyes:
And Tony it's a student run organization. Yea it maybe very well run and all but at the end of the day it's still just a student run organization. It even says it on their website.
as if tony's [opinion] isn't :rolleyes: - Dailykoss.org ftw right tony? lolQuote:
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-jonathan
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Originally Posted by se7en
I am biased but I will admit when I am wrong or concede a point, there is a difference between bias and objectivity. I tend to learn from those I disagree with so I don't go in with the mentality that I cannot be proven wrong.. I want to be.
And I don't read dailykos, their color scheme annoys me.
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Originally Posted by tony
Reps. You and I may not always agree but I do see your side and understand it quite well. Glad to see you can still hold yourself well in a discussion without stooping to personal attacks on people. You sir have my respect.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tony again.
:( Next time buddy.
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Originally Posted by BobbyFresh
I always do.
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1. Michelle Obama isn't on the ballot either but you Republicans jumped on comments she made. Repeatedly. If she was fair game then so is Palin's child. A child having a child.
Wrong. Very wrong.
Would-be First Lady is certainly part of the ticket. Being MARRIED is a choice, being a son/daughter IS NOT. Therefore, when she stood up on the many podiums to "stand behind her man" then she put that bullseye right on her back. Show me where a 17 yr old daughter of a Governor did that. She didn't and therefore it is what it is. A feable attempt at dirty politics.
The ironic thing is that the more the Democrats cry about it, the more the sympathy vote swings the other direction. Total back fire. So keep at it. It's working great for you.
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A. Obama's father leaving his family does not reflect on Senator Obama's OWN family values.
Really? Why not? I mean according to your party someone's 20year old mistake does. I mean someone's daughter's mistake does. Why wouldn't this be the same? Did he not inhale either? :rolleyes:
BTW, obviously the dirty pool tactics failed to sink home with you. I was being sarcastic about pointing out some of the same stupid faults that your party is using as part of their platform to show you how what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Mccain cheated on his wife, left her for his mistress etc etc. Palin has a pregnant child. Family values what?
I just pointed out above how ridiculous this line of logic is. You want to keep at it? Go for it.
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B. I agree that Palin's husband's actions from 20 years ago have no bearing on the now the same way Obama's past drug use, which Republicans jumped on as well, plays an insignificant role on the present.
Hmmm, then how come you've brought it up as part of your debate then? :thinking:
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C. Can anyone honestly say that they knew who Palin was before she was announced as Mccain's running mate? What significant role has she played in any position she's held? What corporations has she run? Does she know how many homes she owns, unlike Mccain? Can she effectively hold a position that would require much of her time when she's about to be a grandmother and also has a mentally handicapped child of her own? Is she ready to lead a nation of millions should anything happen to Mccain, when she hasn't had any responsibility that is comparable?
See, the ironic thing is that you have the typical Democratic party mentality. Can't think beyond your own two feet and think the world revolves around one thing.....the GOVERNMENT.:rolleyes:
First of all, Palin is very anti-abortion. Therefore, she is actually doing what your entire party has never been able to do.....lead by example. She KNEW her own child would be born with problems, yet CHOSE to keep that child JUST LIKE SHE PROFESSES TO BELIEVE. She didn't abort. She stepped up and kept her word. Your party suddenly uses that as a "negative". Show me how that's a negative.
Second, a Governor of the largest state in the entire country is no big deal????? :thinking: Okie dokie. Have you stopped to think just what that means? Look up the pecking order in politics. Governors are a rung up from State Legislators, which is the only thing Obama ever really was.
Third, just WHERE do you think ANWR is? So, Obama wants to search for alternative sources of oil to cure our dependency on foreign oil, yet he's been outspoken about NOT drilling in ANWR. Guess WHO'S backyard ANWR is???? Yep, you guessed it....Palin.
Fourth, any man who can stand up, fight for his country, get captured, tortured, and yet stand there giving only name/rank/serial number......can own as many houses as he wants and forget everything he wants.
BTW, you know where Mccain got his money? Married into it. You know how much Obama claimed on his tax returns last year? 4 million. You know what his current house cost? 1.6 million. So let's see.....both are rich, but only ONE served his country in the Military. Hmmm, just who wins that comparison????? :rolleyes:
Since when does being a grandmother hinder you from anything????? Talk about grasping for straws.
You want to talk about experience? Go look up just where your boy Obama was just this past election. He was a nobody until he was asked to speak at the DNC for super duper cry baby flip flopper Kerry. Suddenly now he's the next messiah? That was only 4 short years ago. So you and your party think that someone that goes from zero to hero in 4 years is the best man to lead the most powerful nation in the world, then good for you. I don't.
Much like the majority of Obama supporters who are only voting for him because he's black and because he's not Bush. That's it. You nor the majority of them can, without googling, name what Obama's stance is on 5 major issues. You can however regurgitate what the biased media propaganda is selling. Obama is a black man from a broken home raised by his grand parents. Check. Obama is not a Muslim. Check. Obama is black. Check again. Obama is NOT Bush. Triple check. Cool, that's the best candidate so Ima vote fo he......CHECK. :rolleyes:
Why don't the Obama supporters stick to real substance, like what their candidate stands for? Not what he's PROMISING....not what he's SAYING he's going to do.....but what you truly believe he CAN DELIVER.
Where does he stand on Gun Control?
Where does he stand on the war in Iraq?
Where does he stand on real tax reform?
Where does he stand on nationalized health care?
Where does he stand on abortion?
Where does he stand on immigration?
Where does he stand on crime?
Where does he stand on foreign policy?
Where does he stand on education?
Where does he stand on family values?
Let's just start there. Let's see how many supporters can even answer that. Let's see if you still agree that he is the best man for the job after you research and find out IF he's even got a clear stance on any of this.
My problem with Obama is that he has the masses in such a BS filled trance that it's sickening. People are supporting him yet have no clue why.....other than he is black and NOT Bush. That's it. So that means that I could've ran and some of yall would've voted for me since I'm not WHITE and NOT Bush. Does that suddenly make me qualified to run a country? Hmmmm, maybe I should be a write in on the ballot then. Why not? I'm chock full of IDEAS, because that's all the talking really is if you can't get it DONE......right?
How exactly is Obama going to fund a Nationalized Healthcare system???? Take a guess. Just the same way every other public assistance program is funded.....TAXES. Yet he's going to REDUCE taxes? For whom? People are blinded by reality. The reality is that you can promise to do all kinds of things, yet be oxymoronic about it. You can't LOWER taxes if you plan on taxing MORE to fund your bright ideas. Doesn't work that way. Has anyone bothered to look at other countries that have a national healthcare system in place? Instead of asking for more hand outs, why don't we focus on keeping 100% of our paychecks and repeal the current income tax into oblivion? Because that would mean that we would have to WORK is why. People would rather get taken care of by the Gov't than work for themselves and make a better life. It's the welfare mentality. Why work when I get paid MORE to sit on my a$$ and spit guppies out? Wow, what a way to live. Well, that's exactly what you promote when you make people more and more dependent on gov't rather themselves. You want that?
Most badass, well put responses I have seen yet. :goodjob:
Good. Palin's family values fall in line with a realistic expectation of America. It's just proof that despite her crazed super-conservative politico-facade that her and her family are real human beings. The same can be said about the whole Michelle Obama thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
Of course neither Obama or McCain are really going to bring any major change into the whitehouse. You can't have change coming from mainstream parties in modern politics, that just doesn't get votes. The idea that Obama is going to cause some massive uprising in the political system was blown out of the water when he picked Joe Biden as his running mate. If he wanted to run on a platform of being new blood without lots of deep ties to the Washington inside, then Biden was a killing blow. Of course I feel Palin is a killing blow to the already moderate McCain when it comes to his platform of pretending to be conservative enough to run as a member of the republican party. Maybe he should have jumped ship when Lieberman did and save some face rather than now backtracking on years of having a reputation as being a maverick.
Palin was a terrible choice for McCain...and I think a major mistake. The republican party wants to talk about how it's energized his campaign but I'm not seeing it where it counts, out on the streets. People who are conservatives are overwhelmingly concerned with the fact that Palin's daughter has some semblance of a remotely normal life and is sexually active before marriage and before graduation. I know for the majority of people who are just finishing up college, sex at 17 (Or earlier) wasn't a surprise. A 20 year old DWI is just as meaningless to me of course, since I'd bet there are a fair number of people on this board alone with at least one DWI that have family's and should know better.
Obama is a great speaker, and I was saying four years ago that he was going to be the next democratic nominee for president. How right I was, I just wish I'd made a few bets on it. My only hope in this bleak presidential election is the fact that the Senate and the House are a big enough bunch of ****ups to prevent too much from majorly going wrong, barring another mass-panic of the american populace fueled by a terrorist attack or...God forbid, a presidential assassination.
...that is all.
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Quite possibly the BEST post in the last 10 threads about this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser
Although i disagree with you on Palin as being a bad choice, i see where yo uare coming from.
With that said, im out of the political debates until after NOV.
Well said sir :cheers:
well....since you asked....
[QUOTE=Jaimecbr900]Why don't the Obama supporters stick to real substance, like what their candidate stands for? Not what he's PROMISING....not what he's SAYING he's going to do.....but what you truly believe he CAN DELIVER.
this is one of obama's views that i do not necessarily agree on (i value my right to bear arms), BUT i understand. obama's home state is riddled with crime...chicago ALONE had almost the same number of murders as Americans killed in Iraq during the first 4 months of 2008. in all fairness, if you relate our gun control laws to those of other countries, i'm sure you'll find a huge disparity amongst violent crimes/murders (Australia & German are examples). since you already put it out there (about blacks voting for him because he's black), look at how many black youths lose their lives to guns? that being said, how many black parents have lost their children to ridiculous shootings...don't you think his stance on the issue is going to attract their attention?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
you have to be careful when you ask for his views on the "IRAQ war." Obama feels like Afghanistan should be, and should've always been our main target in the war...not Iraq. we were ALL led to believe that the terrorist were in Afghanistan, hence why that should be our primary target. a lot of people fail to see that we're basically fighting 2 totally different wars. 1 against terrorist...and another to free a country from dictatorship. obama has stated on numerous occasions that we need to pull our forces from IRAQ, if fighting terrorism is our main objective. yet again...in all fairness, how many countries AROUND THE WORLD harbor and fund terrorism? how many countries around the world are lead by destructive dictators? should we spend 10 billion dollars a month to fight each and every one, while our own country suffers economically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
this is the NUMBER 1 reason why people don't want to vote for obama...i'll link you directly to his site: http://obama.senate.gov/issues/tax_reform/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
a few key words that a lot of people miss on this issue are...WORKING FAMILY, TAX CREDIT...TAX CREDIT...TAX CREDIT...and also understand that HE NEVER CREATED THE SYSTEM OF HIGH TAXES FOR THE RICH...he only wants to get it back to its original goal...not to mention, if our country wants out of debt, the money has to come from somewhere. the system has worked before without destroying the wealthy class, why won't it work again?
NATIONALIZED health care isn't his goal at all...he just wants health care to be more affordable, and improve its quality (nationalized is what they have in places like Canada, free for all....eh...). making healthcare more affordable is a benefit to companies who provide their employers with healthcare, and to those that have to purchase it on their own. just this year i had to decline health insurance from my job because it would've taken almost 1/3 of my weekly check...that's just ridiculous. not too mention, look how many entrepreneurs and independent contractors we have in America who have to go out and purchase their own insurance plans...it has only been this bad within the past few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
obama is pro-abortion, another issue i completely disagree with. i've never and will never be a fan of abortion...PERIOD. the reality of the situation is everyone is allowed to his/ or her own decisions. sadly, there are people who just don't give a sh/t, and will continue to bring children into the world, and live off of the government....so once again, i can understand his view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
his most important views on immigration revolve around giving legal citizens precedence over illegals. naturally, i'd think any American citizen would support that plan. do you know what it's like to finish high school, go to college, get a degree, struggle to find a stable job at a STABLE COMPANY in your field (only to fail), and finally have to settle for a job (just to keep your bills paid and food in your stomach) working next to an illegal who probably hasn't even completed high school. after all of that, you're only making $2hr more than him...and to make it worse, you have to pay taxes on your money! this also goes hand in hand with his view on giving tax breaks to companies that do not out-source to other countries. as far as getting rid of the illegals that're here...that's something that took more than 4yrs to happen, and will take even longer to fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
i touched on this with gun control. he also mentioned at the DNC about how he intends on increasing funding for law enforcement. i used to live in lithonia, and remember when the city's police department got shut down. how ridiculous is that??? meanwhile, the liquor store IN THE SAME PLAZA is booming with business! pizza hut down the street...booming! sh/t makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
he wants to take more diplomatic approaches with global issues. he's a member of the senate foreign relations committee...i mean really...what more "stance" on foreign policy could anyone ask for??? because he's not some gun-ho warrior, itching to press the red button, he's ready to handly foreign issues? there sure were A LOT of other countries that welcomed him with open arms when he made is trip around the world a few months ago. that's something that even good ol' George senior commended him for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
staunch supporter on education...willing to give tax breaks students (or parents)...willing improve educator's salaries (we ALL know some teachers just don't make enough). he has a plan for EVERY level of education, from improving the quality of education, to assisting with the financial burden. education is invaluable...and i can appreciate ANYONE who wants to improve the quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
family values has been one of his greatest platforms. he stresses family values in EVERY speech he makes. i personally feel that he's a great man, superb father, and devoted husband. i think he's laid an almost rock-solid foundation for the future of his own children. on almost EVERY interview-special that he's done, he is forever telling the story of how he met his wife. i'll always believe he has strong family values...unless i read an article about how he IKE-d the sh.it out of michelle, and the see her with sunglasses on an interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
well...there you have it. an explanation of obama from a supporter. i'm with you 100% on sending income tax into oblivion...but let's be real...the country NEEDS it. our country is in serious debt, and something has to give. our 2 largest expenses...oil and the war...neither of which are going to have a drastic enough change within the next i'll say 2 years. obama is offering conceivable alternative measures until that time comes (hopefully within his 4yr term). the biggest misconception people get about obama's plans is that his policies are going to help the people who don't help themselves...and that's just FALSE. my biggest issue with the current administration is the downward spiral it has sent our economy into, and the negative effects it has had one ME AND MY FAMILY (we have lost a lot that we worked damn hard for). i'm sorry but NOBODY is ever too good for a little help at some point. i hope i gave you a better understanding of the mind of atleast 1 obama supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
I'm going to challenge you IA McCain supporters to the same task. Whats MaC going to do for us thats so great? Continue to borrow money from China to fund Iraq and potentially Iran too? All of his "experience" counts for doodley squat IMO because it has just been him supporting the failing policies of the current administration. He has recently flip-flopped on all the things that did make him worthy of consideration.:screwy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
Dude you still are trying to make an argument w/o taking in all of the facts; your still negating the fact he has been in the senate since 04 on top of being a lawyer, teaching, writing a book, community organizer, havard law graduate at top of his class, etc You do know being a Havard Law graduate he could of worked for anyone he wanted - he could of be a top level attorny like Edwards sueing insurance companies for big $$ but he wanted to do more then just make $$.Quote:
Originally Posted by redGT
Just b/c McCain was in the military doesn't make him able to run the US just b/c Palin has 5 kids doesn't make her able to run the US... see how that sounds. Thats how you sound - bias one sided w/o stating all of the facts behind your arguments.
largest state? umm 700,000 people is the largest state, lets clarify your argument LARGEST LAND MASS in the USA. Gwinnett County has more people in it then Alaska. You can include polar bears and penguiens and GA still has a higher population. Mayor of Lawrenceville dealt with a larger population then Palin did as a city council member of Wasilla which has 5500 people And she has only been in office 20 months so don't make it out like she is out changing the world. Though does make you wonder how she scored 27 million of Gov't funding as Mayor of a city 1/4 the size of Lawrenceville, GA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
he is out spoken about it b/c he knows the real results mean Bush and rest of his oil friends will be getting richer by allowing such and the end consumer won't see any advantages from this. this has already been discussed by many economist. check voting records Obama supported alternative energy bill when McCain didn't \/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
07/05 - alternative energy (obama = yes mccain = no)
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/1/votes/213/
keep it up guys i'll be here all week. :lmfao:
Drilling in ANWR just increases the supply of oil. But theres already enough oil on the market. If there were a scarcity of oil it would be hard to get. I can go down to the QT and buy all the gas I want. So I fail to see any shortage in supply that opening up ANWR to drilling would cure. Not to mention it would take years to build the facilities and install the equipment for the drilling. So the market would not be effected immediately as some of you claim. If anything the market would be hurting in the short term as Big Oil will have to pay for the start-up costs.
Oil is sold on the commodities market and it is the same price wherever or whoever it is sold to. Oil sourced from ANWR would be sold to the rest of the world in the same manner that most of the oil drilled in the US is already being sold. If you guys didn't know already, we EXPORT nearly all the oil we are drilling right now. So you can't say that ANWR is an answer to the need for reduced dependance on foreign oil when we aren't even using the domestic production we have.
Its not just about reducing the depandance on ofreign oil, its about reducing dependance on oil altogether. T. Boone Pickens (on of the most successful oil CEO's ever) is campaigning for wind power right now. You know the situation is pretty bad when even the oil men are turning against the oil companies. :screwy:
clearly paul is a diehard democrat, whether or not that was brought about by 8 yrs in office by that dolt bush is unknown, but i really hope it's not the case...
If we were to drill ANWR, it would most likely cause price drops from foreign suppliers. I haven't looked into it, but based on my basic knowledge of economics, the factor is all about supply and demand. If our foreign suppliers see that we are finally willing to increase oil production, they will lower their prices. Yes, we have always had the ability to drill for more, but it's never been put in place. If we were to actually take the initiative to supply ourselves and sell oil on the world market, the countries who supply us would in turn lower their prices to compensate for a new seller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Total_Blender
Well, I don't understand disarming LAW ABIDING CITIZENS at all. Neither did our founding fathers, hence it is part of the Constitution. So his idea that you disarm people and leave them unable to defend themselves against criminals who care nothing about "laws" by definition is totally absurd to me. Any person who professes to be a supporter of MORE protection against civil liberties, as Obama professes, infractions doesn't try to take away my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to bear arms and protect myself, my family, and possibly others. It's an oxymoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen
Actually, he's clearly said he would pull troops out if elected. Therefore it would leave a war unfinished, a void that Terrorists/Dictators would fill, and only give us a repeat of the Clinton no-backbone-left-unfinished initial war in Iraq where we could have avoided 9-11 all together.Quote:
you have to be careful when you ask for his views on the "IRAQ war." Obama feels like Afghanistan should be, and should've always been our main target in the war...not Iraq. we were ALL led to believe that the terrorist were in Afghanistan, hence why that should be our primary target. a lot of people fail to see that we're basically fighting 2 totally different wars. 1 against terrorist...and another to free a country from dictatorship. obama has stated on numerous occasions that we need to pull our forces from IRAQ, if fighting terrorism is our main objective. yet again...in all fairness, how many countries AROUND THE WORLD harbor and fund terrorism? how many countries around the world are lead by destructive dictators? should we spend 10 billion dollars a month to fight each and every one, while our own country suffers economically?
Wrong. He does want to implement tax changes that affect high wage earners as if that is going to resolve something. It won't. Look at it this way, the top wage earners comprise only 1% of ALL tax payers, yet they pay way more than 1% of all taxes. So you want to penalize high wage earners for making money, so you can give it to those of us that don't make that kind of money? How's that make sense? That's a Socialist idea, not a democratic one. Why not make it equal across the board and make it a consumption tax, ie. the fair tax? Rich people SPEND money to avoid paying income taxes on it. When you SPEND money, under a fair tax, they get TAXED. It doesn't matter if you're illegal, drug dealer, unemployed, or Donald Trump. You would PAY taxes which in turn would mean Trillions in revenue we DON'T SEE now. Why? Because those illegals, drug dealers, and unemployed DON'T PAY TAXES NOW. How can people not see that would net MORE revenue?Quote:
this is the NUMBER 1 reason why people don't want to vote for obama...i'll link you directly to his site: http://obama.senate.gov/issues/tax_reform/
a few key words that a lot of people miss on this issue are...WORKING FAMILY, TAX CREDIT...TAX CREDIT...TAX CREDIT...and also understand that HE NEVER CREATED THE SYSTEM OF HIGH TAXES FOR THE RICH...he only wants to get it back to its original goal...not to mention, if our country wants out of debt, the money has to come from somewhere. the system has worked before without destroying the wealthy class, why won't it work again?
Wrong again. He does support Nationalized Health Care. Here is his own quote, from his own personal website:Quote:
NATIONALIZED health care isn't his goal at all...he just wants health care to be more affordable, and improve its quality (nationalized is what they have in places like Canada, free for all....eh...). making healthcare more affordable is a benefit to companies who provide their employers with healthcare, and to those that have to purchase it on their own. just this year i had to decline health insurance from my job because it would've taken almost 1/3 of my weekly check...that's just ridiculous. not too mention, look how many entrepreneurs and independent contractors we have in America who have to go out and purchase their own insurance plans...it has only been this bad within the past few years.
"OBAMA: Well, look, I believe in universal health care, as does Sen. Clinton. And the point of the debate, is that Sen. Clinton repeatedly claims that I don't stand for universal health care. And, you know, for Sen. Clinton to say that, I think, is simply not accurate. Every expert has said that anybody who wants health care under my plan will be able to obtain it. President Clinton's own secretary of Labor has said that my plan does more to reduce costs and as a consequence makes sure that the people who need health care right now, all across America, will be able to obtain it. And we do more to reduce costs than any other plan that's been out there."
Yet he himself admits he doesn't want to make a decision as to WHEN "life" begins as a definition. This is the basic premise of abortion. So if you don't know when "life" begins, how can you say you're for or against?Quote:
obama is pro-abortion, another issue i completely disagree with. i've never and will never be a fan of abortion...PERIOD. the reality of the situation is everyone is allowed to his/ or her own decisions. sadly, there are people who just don't give a sh/t, and will continue to bring children into the world, and live off of the government....so once again, i can understand his view.
Not what I've read about his immigration views. From what I've seen, he wants to give licenses to illegals, free health care for illegals, and different forms of amnesty as part of his resolution.Quote:
his most important views on immigration revolve around giving legal citizens precedence over illegals. naturally, i'd think any American citizen would support that plan. do you know what it's like to finish high school, go to college, get a degree, struggle to find a stable job at a STABLE COMPANY in your field (only to fail), and finally have to settle for a job (just to keep your bills paid and food in your stomach) working next to an illegal who probably hasn't even completed high school. after all of that, you're only making $2hr more than him...and to make it worse, you have to pay taxes on your money! this also goes hand in hand with his view on giving tax breaks to companies that do not out-source to other countries. as far as getting rid of the illegals that're here...that's something that took more than 4yrs to happen, and will take even longer to fix.
There's more to crime prevention than just gun control. It is a big part, but there's also: law enforcement, legal system, and prison system. Where does he stand or does he even have plans for any of the other parts?Quote:
i touched on this with gun control. he also mentioned at the DNC about how he intends on increasing funding for law enforcement. i used to live in lithonia, and remember when the city's police department got shut down. how ridiculous is that??? meanwhile, the liquor store IN THE SAME PLAZA is booming with business! pizza hut down the street...booming! sh/t makes no sense.
Yep, he wants to sit down with terrorists and dictators to "talk" about the problems. Right! That's going to work about as good as "talking" down a bully. You have to hand that bully a good a$$ whoopin before he will ever listen to anything you have to say. Obama doesn't want to do that. He wants to pacify that bully by sitting down and having tea and crumpets with them. Yeah, right. The same people that want to KILL YOU are going to come running to have tea and crumpets with you. Okie dokie. Makes perfect sense. This is one of the big problems I have with Obama. He's a pacifist.Quote:
he wants to take more diplomatic approaches with global issues. he's a member of the senate foreign relations committee...i mean really...what more "stance" on foreign policy could anyone ask for??? because he's not some gun-ho warrior, itching to press the red button, he's ready to handly foreign issues? there sure were A LOT of other countries that welcomed him with open arms when he made is trip around the world a few months ago. that's something that even good ol' George senior commended him for.
I give him that. He does have some good ideas on Education.Quote:
staunch supporter on education...willing to give tax breaks students (or parents)...willing improve educator's salaries (we ALL know some teachers just don't make enough). he has a plan for EVERY level of education, from improving the quality of education, to assisting with the financial burden. education is invaluable...and i can appreciate ANYONE who wants to improve the quality.
Give him this one as well.Quote:
family values has been one of his greatest platforms. he stresses family values in EVERY speech he makes. i personally feel that he's a great man, superb father, and devoted husband. i think he's laid an almost rock-solid foundation for the future of his own children. on almost EVERY interview-special that he's done, he is forever telling the story of how he met his wife. i'll always believe he has strong family values...unless i read an article about how he IKE-d the sh.it out of michelle, and the see her with sunglasses on an interview.
actually i normally will vote libertarian but when it comes to presidency i vote who i think is in the best interest of me and my country. bush was a complete total idiot and i refused to vote for him; we have already given the republicans 8 years w/o any success. it is time to pass the gavel.Quote:
Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
so you only see in black or white? and 1 bad seed can ruin it for an entire party? i see you're a lost cause on this one as you've already made up your mind that republican = evil :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by admin
well considering i can really only make a difference by voting lesser of two evils and mccain is going to go along w/ republicans/bush policy there isn't any hope at this time for republicans. for two terms bush has made nothing but enemys on both sides. why do you think a democrat was headliner speech last night and bush had small 10 min cameo? his own party yet who supports him doesn't even want to be seen as bush supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
mccain would of picked lieberman for VP but republicans would of never let that happen. i think that would of been quite an intersteding ticket. republican president who is wants to be a democrat and a democrat vp who wants to be a republican.
Jaime, why ask all these questions about Obama's policy only to rebut or disagree when someone answers the question? The man answered some with proof and you still disagree with what was posted. That kind of neglects the reason for asking the questions if you already have your own answers.
Did you not notice that I actually agreed with some of his points?Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
I asked because my whole point is that the MAJORITY of Obama supporters, not you and obviously stephen, support Obama without having any idea as to why other than he's black and he's not Bush.
Just because Obama SAYS he's going to do something, it doesn't mean that it will get done nor it's a great idea....ie. sitting down with terrorists. So yes, I'm going to counter the points, because I don't agree with him.
Ronald Reagan stated it the best...
"Weakness invites aggression"
tony, you seem very intelligent and for the most part, a nice guy... but i love how you're telling me how i'd view things! lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
and yeah, i'm a little late to the thread... bite me :tongue1: