i have a 93 s with d15 wanta know what swap would be better b16a w auto trans or the h22a w auto trans dont want to convert the car to 5 spd preciate all knowledge
del sol swaps
i have a 93 s with d15 wanta know what swap would be better b16a w auto trans or the h22a w auto trans dont want to convert the car to 5 spd preciate all knowledge
h22. it will pull the car better cause of the high tq.
then again i don't like the b16's.
i heard its a hard install though
i've never tried it, so i don't know.
i've seen b16's in del sol's before though, easy swap.
there is a lot to change over with the B16 but if you went with a boosted or supercharged d16... would give you pleanty of power and torque...:-) just my opinion and there would be a lot less change over.
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power, yea, tq....no. b16's lack in that dept.Originally Posted by jellybean
if it came with a b16 which they do... but to switch from a d series to a b series is a big hastle... motor mounts wont work.. ecu needs changed... pretty much have to swap a obd1 system to an obd2 which can be a pain... b series also has 2 o2 sensors while d series only has one... so would need to accomodate for that as well...:-)
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yeah... thats why i like a boosted or SC d instead...:-)
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get a obd1 to obd2 conversion harness.
b series mounts and it should be just a straight drop in. ecu change...yea thats pretty easy, a couple plugs.
and i know they came with the b16, its why i said easy swap.
yea but you could be running 400hp and you break over 200hp till like 6k rpms. the powerband on them suck.
good point...:-)
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i like the SOHC platform, but then again i like being the underdog.
lol... for some reason i like them much better than the DOHC as well...:-)
i think they are cheaper to get parts for and there seems to be more things you can do to them for way less than the DOHC's...:-) and it depends where you want your power curve... With the SOHC setup you get better torque to get out of the hole quicker but the DOHC has the top end speed...:-)
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i just like em cause of the powerband, they suck on the lower end, which makes it good for a lil sleeper.
oh and i'm done threadjacking.
what is your spending limit for the swap on the sol?
Either swap would be easy, the h22 will net more power all the way around, depends on what you wanna spend and your power goals. The H22 will require a lot more work, Such as shifter linkage being that its cable operated and you will need aftermarket mounts, The b16 drops right in with stock b-series mounts and wiring on both is really easy. I seriously would reconsider sticking with an automatic though...
i got a guy that will install for like 1500 and it will cost close to that for either engine swap from tiger i can get the h22 and auto trans for 850 and got jdm has the b for 1800
but with the h there r other things to count for gsr radiator, wiring harness , integra and prelude axels shift linkage not to mention custom mounts but i do like the power and torque of the h it will sling the sol ne way i want i heard they do create handleing issues though
thats kinda y leaning toward the b its just a less hassel
I just swapped over from a d16 to a b18b....really easy swapped, i'd recommend it
The h22 isn't worth all the trouble and handling problems that come...you lose your turning radius and your front to rear weight ratio is completely thrown off.
i kinda want the vtech though but preciate the info my buddy has the b18b in his teg its all right nice and torquee
Oh I completely understand...vtec ftw...I'll miss it until boost.
is ur engine stock ? dont u have to build it up for boost new pistons, values, rings, etc...
don't HAVE to, but in order to make some good power, its highly recommended. you can boost it, but nothing past like 8 psi, or the bottom end is gone.
preciate that Tran
ne body know ne thing about the b20 ive seen a couple dudes running them on u tube
sound nice and run good just heard alot of work to do and head swapping
do a 20 its realy good on gas the tq is good the hp is low but ppl will not know what you have so over all b20 ftw later on maby b20v lol
lol!
Motor mounts? A few bolts to swap out new ones?
Change ECU? Remove the cover and remove a couple bolts? Unplug ECU, plug new one in...
OBD1 to OBD2 conversion? They make conversion adapters. My OBD2b to OBD2a was home made...
b-series has 2 o2 sensors? Only OBD2 cars have two and since a conversion adapter harness would be used you wouldn't need both anyways.
The real issue is finding axles to work without swapping out all the suspension...and that's not even difficult.
The whole 35 extra lbs is gonna cause you to drive straight off a cliff right. The saving of switching to a carbon fiber hood would compensate for it.
Need proof, see them on a scale...
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php...ght=h22+weight
The H22 is the best bang for the buck. 30 seconds on a search engine will yield a complete parts list for both the B and H conversions in a Del Sol. People have been doing it for well over a decade now and bolt in kits are readily available everywhere. It's a simple swap. Screw using an automatic transmission though! Manual conversion are easy on that chassis. OP needs to learn to drive a stick.
you dont give advice anymore girly.
great advice.
h22 doesnt weigh that much more..
there was nothing wrong with my advice....was giving my opinion on the matter... and like everyone elses... you can either take it or leave it... :-) good luck with your swap...:-)
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Fixed.
Honestly, if you're gonna do a B or H series swap, you might as well do the auto-manual while you are at it. The del Sol is an EG chassis, so parts for auto-manual are easy to find and should be relatively inexpensive. And you're gonna have the engine and trans out anyways... just do it right instead of spending a lot of time and headache doing a B16 or H22 swap and still having a slow car because the automatic trans shifts before VTEC kicks in.
And besides... if you go B series automatic, you will either have to use a CRV auto trans or an integra LS auto trans... neither of which are known for their great gear ratios lol.
Trust me. Do it right, do the full conversion, and thank me in the morning.
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I should neg rep you for this statement. Srsly.
1. Hondas don't have torque. They're the torqueless wonders. They rely solely on horsepower and top end. Hence the reason they have things like VTEC and 9k rpm redlines.
2. The OP is OBVIOUSLY a noob (no offense to OP). Are you really suggesting that someone inexperienced with cars do a turbo kit/supercharger setup?
3. Have you ever seen what a turbo kit can do to a stock automatic transmission? At the very least he would need to install a trans cooler, and to even appreciate boost, which even with a small T25 won't kick in until about 3500rpm or so, he would be looking at running hondata/uberdata/crome on his ECU to change the shift points in the auto trans so that it shifts higher, allowing him to enjoy boost.
4. Even with the shift points higher, he would still probably be looking at rebuilding the trans for more aggressive acceleration, and it wouldn't be a bad idea because I doubt a 15ish year old trans would hold up very well to the added strain of shifting higher as a result of said chipped ECU.
5. As has been said, more than about 6-8 lbs of boost and he will have to build his engine for turbo. Since when is it easier to build an engine for turbo than to do a swap?
6. At 6-8 lbs of boost, which is what a stock SOHC will hold (and I am assuming he would want to stay with a stock block), you're looking at maybe a 25-30hp upgrade. A stock D15 on the dyno puts out about 112ish hp, and that's when they were new. So we will say he's probably putting out 105ish now, compensating for wear and tear on the engine, yadda yadda.
7. So he will be putting out roughly 135hp with a conservative turbo setup.
8. This conservative turbo setup, which will give him 135ish hp, will probably cost at least $1500, and that's if he leaves the trans alone.
9. I can pick up a D16z6, which puts out 137 stock (new from honda, so say 130 now), for about $300 on a decent day. I can then spend about another 250 or so and put a D16y8 head on it and either put a y8 exhaust mani or an aftermarket header on, and since the y8 components flow better, have probably 140ish hp.
10. 140ish hp > 135ish.
11. N/A motors are generally more reliable than turbo motors. Turbo you wanna get boost, so you're pushing it, it's having to deal with the extra stress of boost, yadda yadda. So OP can spend 1500 to have a turbo d15 with 135ish hp, or 600 to have an N/A z6 frankenstein with 140ish, or 300 for an N/A stock z6 with 130ish. Hmmmm....
12. If OP insists on spending 1500 on anything, it should be put with a couple more bills and put into a B16a3, which will give him 160hp (stock, new from honda), and you get all the joys of a DOHC VTEC engine.
13. And a 5 speed swap.
/rant
Fuck stance. Stance is for kids in skinny jeans with Justin Beiber haircuts. You don't need stance when you got swagger.
hey... he was asking opinions and i stated mine.. i did not say that hondas have awesome torque... what i was saying was that out of the d16z and the b16 that the d16 had more torque than the b16.. that was all... and i did not suggest that he do anything... was just stating my thoughts on the engines of choice.. just another idea thats all...:-)I should neg rep you for this statement. Srsly.
1. Hondas don't have torque. They're the torqueless wonders. They rely solely on horsepower and top end. Hence the reason they have things like VTEC and 9k rpm redlines.
2. The OP is OBVIOUSLY a noob (no offense to OP). Are you really suggesting that someone inexperienced with cars do a turbo kit/supercharger setup?
3. Have you ever seen what a turbo kit can do to a stock automatic transmission? At the very least he would need to install a trans cooler, and to even appreciate boost, which even with a small T25 won't kick in until about 3500rpm or so, he would be looking at running hondata/uberdata/crome on his ECU to change the shift points in the auto trans so that it shifts higher, allowing him to enjoy boost.
4. Even with the shift points higher, he would still probably be looking at rebuilding the trans for more aggressive acceleration, and it wouldn't be a bad idea because I doubt a 15ish year old trans would hold up very well to the added strain of shifting higher as a result of said chipped ECU.
5. As has been said, more than about 6-8 lbs of boost and he will have to build his engine for turbo. Since when is it easier to build an engine for turbo than to do a swap?
6. At 6-8 lbs of boost, which is what a stock SOHC will hold (and I am assuming he would want to stay with a stock block), you're looking at maybe a 25-30hp upgrade. A stock D15 on the dyno puts out about 112ish hp, and that's when they were new. So we will say he's probably putting out 105ish now, compensating for wear and tear on the engine, yadda yadda.
7. So he will be putting out roughly 135hp with a conservative turbo setup.
8. This conservative turbo setup, which will give him 135ish hp, will probably cost at least $1500, and that's if he leaves the trans alone.
9. I can pick up a D16z6, which puts out 137 stock (new from honda, so say 130 now), for about $300 on a decent day. I can then spend about another 250 or so and put a D16y8 head on it and either put a y8 exhaust mani or an aftermarket header on, and since the y8 components flow better, have probably 140ish hp.
10. 140ish hp > 135ish.
11. N/A motors are generally more reliable than turbo motors. Turbo you wanna get boost, so you're pushing it, it's having to deal with the extra stress of boost, yadda yadda. So OP can spend 1500 to have a turbo d15 with 135ish hp, or 600 to have an N/A z6 frankenstein with 140ish, or 300 for an N/A stock z6 with 130ish. Hmmmm....
12. If OP insists on spending 1500 on anything, it should be put with a couple more bills and put into a B16a3, which will give him 160hp (stock, new from honda), and you get all the joys of a DOHC VTEC engine.
13. And a 5 speed swap.
/rant
nice advice though...:-)
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well preciate it all im bout to get my hands on a turbo ready b18c gsr engine and trans but gonna keep it na heading to the junkyard to get pedal assembly lines and slave but preciate the info once again
^^Define "Turbo ready". If it's been built for turbo like with internals, then it's gonna be built for lower compression, which means that it's gonna be more sluggish than a stock one.
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A d16 has more torque than a b16? Really?
111 ft lbs (b16) is less than 107 ft lbs (d16z)?
Stop talking. Seriously.
Fuck stance. Stance is for kids in skinny jeans with Justin Beiber haircuts. You don't need stance when you got swagger.
lol
And by the way, jellybean... don't get it in your head that I'm picking on you because you're a girl.
No mo... 'bout time you started showing me some love again. :P
Fuck stance. Stance is for kids in skinny jeans with Justin Beiber haircuts. You don't need stance when you got swagger.
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