does anyone know of any fast miatas?

[DecoyOctopus]

that are NATURALLY ASPIRATED?

yea boost is great, so is supercharging but i can never find anyone that has a quick naturally aspirated one. i mean ive seen cams, stroker kits, heads, hi compression pistons all the stuff necessary to make a fast na miata, but it seems no one ever goes that route. wussup people is that just a hopeless route or whut?

[Elbow]

I'm NA.

[DecoyOctopus]

I'm NA.

is your motor stock?

[Elbow]

No...

[DecoyOctopus]

No...

well in what ways did you supe that puppy up?

[Elbow]

Relocated intake
AFM delete
Megasquirt ECU
Header, exhaust

That's about it lol.

I was "building" it but new class of racing I am running I can't do much. In fact it will have the AFM put back on. But will make around 120whp NA. I was doing ITB's using stock 1.6 intake manifold and GSXR600 throttle bodies. Also add a set of cams, flywheel, clutch, etc.

[DecoyOctopus]

good chit. thats great for a 1.6. man i have only heard itbz one time on a car and man it was hair raising. i think ive seen you at the sonic meet, not sure, but i figured your charriot was stock. so i guess youre the only one. do you know of any miatas that have been suped up to the teeth for hi rpm, im just wondering what kind of power a bp can make naturally aspirated.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

A fast Miata?

That'll be a diamond in the rough.

[Elbow]

^Yeah I have been to Gnett Sonic meets. You could make like 170whp NA if you wanted to. ITB's add quite a bit of power, check out fujiracing and their setup. They ran 13's I think with just ITB's and cams?

[Elbow]

A fast Miata?

That'll be a diamond in the rough.

...and you drive?

[metalman]

Its extremely expensive to build a naturally aspirated Miata that makes any power...even then, they dont make that much and a turd with a cheapass homebrew turbo will likely blow you away. Thats why most dont go that route. Too much expense, too little gain.

[Elbow]

But NA is fun high revving ftw

[DecoyOctopus]

Its extremely expensive to build a naturally aspirated Miata that makes any power...even then, they dont make that much and a turd with a cheapass homebrew turbo will likely blow you away. Thats why most dont go that route. Too much expense, too little gain.

yea na is always expensive as piss but phuck hi rpmz are so rewarding.

[DecoyOctopus]

But NA is fun high revving ftw

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to simontibbett again.

wierd i dont remember repping you

[Elbow]

Just buy a Megasquirt and change your redline lol.

[DecoyOctopus]

isnt that horrible for your internals?

[Elbow]

I have been revving to around 8200 for months and have no problems lol.

[SLOWR/T]

does anyone know of any fast miatas that are NATURALLY ASPIRATED?

Oxymoron??

[Elbow]

^Not quite

[redrumracer]

that are NATURALLY ASPIRATED?

yea boost is great, so is supercharging but i can never find anyone that has a quick naturally aspirated one. i mean ive seen cams, stroker kits, heads, hi compression pistons all the stuff necessary to make a fast na miata, but it seems no one ever goes that route. wussup people is that just a hopeless route or whut?

thats because they dont exist, even built na maitas arent fast.

isnt that horrible for your internals?

nope, i have a 99 and i rev it to 8k frequently.

[Elbow]

Fast NA Miatas do exist, define fast though?

[redrumracer]

Fast NA Miatas do exist, define fast though?

11.5 is what i would consider fast for a street car. that 13 second car is what i would call quick though, its really nothing to frown at. just cost alot to get there and for most its not worth the money. but for those looking to build a miata i consider this kit relatively cost effective http://www.belfabracing.com/product_...88d6864b5029f6

except for you 1.6, its geared more for turbo for the 1.6

[Elbow]

But high revving NA is fun, and great for corners. Are we talking straight line? That's boring stuff

[Me86Rob]

a buddy of mine HAD a fast NA miata, but he just turbo'd it. damn its sexy. im tryna talk him into comin to the V, but hes embarased because his car has a nasty quarter stripe. but its still so hot

[redrumracer]

But high revving NA is fun, and great for corners. Are we talking straight line? That's boring stuff

and a high revving turbo is better and yes i was talking about the straight line. other than that i would expect him to be talking about suspension upgrades to make it quicker around a track.

[Elbow]

Nothing beats a screaming NA engine around a road course in a lightweight car for fun factor

[redrumracer]

Nothing beats a screaming NA engine around a road course in a lightweight car for fun factor

this is where individual preferences come into play, i think nothing beats the sound of a turbo screaming and spoolin. well ok i think a nice v8 sounds better.

[yungdz]

Nothing beats a screaming NA engine around a road course in a lightweight car for fun factor

I'm pretty sure the OP is talking about straight line quickness.

[DecoyOctopus]

But high revving NA is fun, and great for corners. Are we talking straight line? That's boring stuff

nah i know its not gonna be neck breaking fast in a straight line... but i mean its a miata it dont belong on a dragstrip. i did mean around a track. i mean boost is great n all but every miata i read about is turbo or supercharged. i mean where is the na fun, simon knows what im talkin about cars that rev high and are all motor are very fun mostly cuz of the engine response and predictability.

[redrumracer]

actually you would be surprised these things can go pretty quick in a straight line with little horsepower

[Elbow]

I didn't mean sound^ I meant fun factor.

I agree with SammyPain, a nice all motor car is about throttle response, quick/high revving, a nice powerband, etc. No nasty lag and stuff.

But also the engine bay for a NA car is usually a lot simpilar and easy to work with.

Of course some cars are better turbo, a full blown Audi R10 and stuff like that is turbo, I know lol.

[redrumracer]

so throw a t25 on it and dont worry about lag, predictable power throughout he power band.
-or-
supercharge it.

[DecoyOctopus]

so throw a t25 on it and dont worry about lag, predictable power throughout he power band.
-or-
supercharge it.

yea but its just a different cup of tea. turbo usally means lower revs. lower revs mean less responsive...usually. supercharging is a great idea again tho less rev action. i was whippin my freinds s2000 one day, man its so invigorating turning 9k rpms, i mean the motor screams at you but it sounds so good, not much torque but still once you get up in the revs the horsepower pulls you+ super short gears. im telling you its fun as phuck, i drove a evo as well with my pops, its faster and all but alot less exciting. then my freinds mustang...its cool and all it pulls at really low revs but when you get in hi rpms it just kinda flops, and everything just feels kinda chitty not too much feed back from the car, not a big fan of stallions after that.

[Elbow]

Again redrumracer sir, there is no substitute. A T25 lags, takes away throttle response, and unless it's a crazy 50,000 dollar race car engine, you aren't safely revving that to 9k for extended periods of time. Supercharging is good, but it's just the beauty of a raw naturally aspirated screaming engine. Not to mention I bet a T25 turbo Miata would lose to a NA Miata around a road course.

Also a turbo does not offer predictable power all through the powerband.

[metalman]

It sounds to me like some of you guys havent spent much..if any...time in a well executed turbo Miata.

Although I have seen an NA Miata spank an FI one at the track that was because of two things...suspension setup, and driver.
If you take a fully prepped track Miata and add forced induction its going turn better lap times then previously. There is no way that adding 50-150 hp is going to slow you down when comparing the same car/driver setup. However, in a track situation you will also have added other possible mechanical issues (cooling etc) when you add FI.

The problem with doing an NA Miata is that its just not well suited to making lots of power in NA form....AND its VERY expensive. But, if you want to dump 7-9k into your car to have it easily spanked by a forced induction car be my guest. Adding an MS and the like will get a few ponies and make for some elcheapo fun but doesnt even begin to compare to a 250 WHP Miata. The original OP drives on the street correct?
In that format a turbo Miata will eat your na lunch with ease.

For those on a budget however its best to concentrate on overall setup, suspension etc and do a few elcheapo things like Simon has done to add performance...AND work on ones driving skills....but that doesnt answer the original question..."where are the fast NA Miatas". Generally if you see a 'fast' na setup Miata youre looking at LOTS & LOTS of money....for a car thats great fun but still not that 'fast'.

[Thighs]

funny how you guys are talking about revving to 8k+ regularly with a stock head, our race motors get rebuilt any time they rev past 7400.

[Elbow]

^I know it SHOULD be built, but ask Matt lol the day we were in my car in the mountains I was at 8k half the time. Have been for months, I know it's horrible but...lol.

[Elbow]

It sounds to me like some of you guys havent spent much..if any...time in a well executed turbo Miata.

Although I have seen an NA Miata spank an FI one at the track that was because of two things...suspension setup, and driver.
If you take a fully prepped track Miata and add forced induction its going turn better lap times then previously. There is no way that adding 50-150 hp is going to slow you down when comparing the same car/driver setup. However, in a track situation you will also have added other possible mechanical issues (cooling etc) when you add FI.

The problem with doing an NA Miata is that its just not well suited to making lots of power in NA form....AND its VERY expensive. But, if you want to dump 7-9k into your car to have it easily spanked by a forced induction car be my guest. Adding an MS and the like will get a few ponies and make for some elcheapo fun but doesnt even begin to compare to a 250 WHP Miata. The original OP drives on the street correct?
In that format a turbo Miata will eat your na lunch with ease.

For those on a budget however its best to concentrate on overall setup, suspension etc and do a few elcheapo things like Simon has done to add performance...AND work on ones driving skills....but that doesnt answer the original question..."where are the fast NA Miatas". Generally if you see a 'fast' na setup Miata youre looking at LOTS & LOTS of money....for a car thats great fun but still not that 'fast'.

I haven't been on a track in a FI Miata, and I am mainly speaking for the people in this thread. Not a wide audience. Sure put FI on a Spec Miata and it will be faster. BUT like I said, my personal preference, FI has too many extra items, worry about cooling, etc etc etc.

[Fr33way]

Also a turbo does not offer predictable power all through the powerband.

Really depends on the turbo trim and tune, one could also receive this with a S/C and the aforementioned tune.

It's cool if it's just a preference but with such a nimble chassis what it really needs is that extra scoot to REALLY make it a monster.

Of course in a way it goes against the whole British carbon copy roadster idea but I am one that beleives the manufacturer leaves the picture after the car leaves the dealer.

[Elbow]

^I agree, I have no problem with high hp built well handling Miatas, and not ALL the time NA will be faster. Of course it wont.