I would have maybe put 5 more in the front to see if it would stick in the rear a little more, or it may just cause it too oversteer a littleOriginally Posted by JennB
I would have maybe put 5 more in the front to see if it would stick in the rear a little more, or it may just cause it too oversteer a little
What should I do to correct these mistakes?Jenn, the two times I saw you oversteer more than you would want:
1st time - exit of decreasing radious realitivly flat, likly at 100% thorottle. This to me is where i would expect understeer, not oversteer.
2nd time- entering a decreasing radius, uphill. likly trailbraking, which is a great setup for oversteer (like you did).
Now, did u have any understeer problems on any of the turns? I was definatly right on ur ass both of those turns, and i didnt feel like i was pushing it, so im gonna lean towards, you had very few if any understeer problems and that in fact it could be you suspension setup to oversteer a little (sway bar, good place to start)... anywho, nice driving
I didn't feel any understeer at all.
Last edited by JennB; 08-07-2006 at 11:18 AM.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
When i was running 17's with kumhos, both 711's and 712's, i would have to countersteer going into turns with all 4 sliding but it would usually even out around the apex...just enough for it to step back out exiting the turn. It was really rough before the LSD because i'd have to feather the throttle and still normally light up the inside tire trying to pull it straight out of the turn.
My suggestion would be play with tires and tire pressures and i know you hate to hear it but maybe use a less aggresive rear sway....you upgraded it didn't you? That will make it a little more predictable. Other than that just keep getting more seat time and get accustomed to it. Your car and it's suspension setup up is really stiff and it's behavior is to be expected...
I mean you feel its truly the suspension setup wrong, then change it. Sounds like u upgraged the rear anti-sway bar since last time you drove it hard. Obviously if that is true, i would start there
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Yeah, it is an amazingly stiff car. My sway bar is a HSport 25.5mm hollow comp bar set on the middle setting, I can move it down to the softer setting, with a little help of course. They don't like me messing with my car in the parking lot.
This same bar was on my 04 as well and in the year or so I had that car, it never once got away from me in any way.
I do have LSD as well, which my 04 did not have.
I'm really curious if it's the suspension or if it's me. I haven't had any real training so I want to know if I'm doing something wrong.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
I'd move it down to see what happens, have you run it hard at the softer setting before?
Nope. It's been on the middle on both cars.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
Are the spring rates on the '05 a little heavier?
Lowering springs on the 06, stock on the 04. 06 has a 1'3" drop on progressive rate springs.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
I don't think it's you at all. That all being said, it's not necessarily a bad thing either. The rear is going to slide as you become a better driver and push your car harder and the stiff rear suspension makes it more likely. Before suspension upgrades on the retta, it was very rare to have the rear slide because I couldn't push as hard in the corners. The car understeered quite a bit and gave up well before the rear would slide. Now that I have a much better suspension, my rear slides quite a bit, but predictably so. As I continue to push harder, the rear will go farther out, but that doesn't concern me terribly. The trick is to get comfortable with it and anticipate it. With that comes more control and confidence.
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Jenn, I meant to tell you but I think you have more negative camber on your drivers side rear than on your pass side rear! To tell the truth your pass side rear looked pretty neutral. It might have been because I was behind you on the drivers side and couldn't see the angle on the pass side but I was sure I checked when we were cruising back 400 south.
When you were driving in the Mtn's did you notice you got loose more going around left hand turns than right? If so, then that was definately a factor. If your pass side was at a smaller neg or 0 camber with that sway back there then that accounts for you sliding out on that side. I know for sure the two times I saw you get loose were on sharp highspeed left turns.
Yep, left turns were what got the car loose. Wide left turns.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
That's kinda normal, left turns are always a little longer and normally flatter. Looking through my pics your driver's side rear definitely has quite a bit of camber but don't have any good shots of the passenger side to compare it to...
hahahha your a little late
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
what the hell are u talking about????
-IA MGMT is inappropriate.
He is referring to the fact that left turns are on the outside of the turn and right turns are on the inside...at least on two way roads here in the US.
**sigh**
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
damn... im away from a computer for 24hrs and this shit gets to page 5?!?! oh well.. sucks not having a computer at home.
BTW.. my car died on me lastnight.. well, not dead, but something is telling the computer to leave the injectors wide open and open the idle air control valve open al lthe timeIt happened in the blink of an eye. I was leaving WaHo up here, ran fine.. came to a stop light and it just went all crazy on me when i put the car in 2nd.... started revving and flooding under throttle.... fuck.. this sucks. I bet its something simple too... i spent most the day lookign over all the wiring everywhere and can't find anything.
Jenn- dont worry, i know better then to want to take the MINI for some driftingBut if you'd like, i'll drive the car for you (not wrecklessly) and give you my input on the feeling of the suspension setup.
02' Miata
Ouch, that sucks about the car man. How's the oil smell, is it fuel-loggd? Might possibly be, your running incredibly rich. ANy clue's at all as to what is wrong? electrical, fuel, or mechanical?damn... im away from a computer for 24hrs and this shit gets to page 5?!?! oh well.. sucks not having a computer at home.
BTW.. my car died on me lastnight.. well, not dead, but something is telling the computer to leave the injectors wide open and open the idle air control valve open al lthe time
Jenn- dont worry, i know better then to want to take the MINI for some drifting
Jenn, I'd take Mike up on his offer to drive your car. He's sponsor'd, he's a pro drifter, and you know him now, so it's fairly safe to assume he knows whats going on with suspension, and how to feel a car out thoroughly.
Having someone else set up your suspension doesnt help alot, everyone likes their car to handle differently
I know, but I would like for someone to look at it and tell me what is causing the problems I'm having and help me tweak it to where I need it to be. Watch how I drive and see what is happening and help me make the right changes.
Besides, it's a reason to get out and drive and have some fun!
Last edited by JennB; 08-07-2006 at 10:39 PM.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
i told you a long time ago to bring it over to autofab...
Handling is what we do!!!
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
Well it was fine beforeI've taken the car on those exact same roads before and to the dragon a few times and it was as neutral as could be.
It has to be something that has changed recently like my alignment. I usually run with a lot more camber in the rear but was tired of destroying tires. Maybe the softer setting in the rear sway can do the trick... I'll figure something out and it may have to come see you guys.
Last edited by JennB; 08-08-2006 at 10:03 AM.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
hmm..
anytime you feel like cruising up and down the mtn.. Myself, green91 (chris), efman live in dahlonega and I live on the mountain. Jason of course used to live up here so he knows the mtn. as well.. (just dont ask him to chase a ford ranger down the big hill!!!!!)
As far as the rear stepping out.. how hard of braking were you doing going in the turns?? Any trailbraking? I spent a few minutes on some mini forums researching your problem and almost everyone is saying to run the softer setting on the sway...
Hope all ends out well!
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I try my absolute best to never, ever brake in a turn. I think I may have hit the brake a little later than I should have once or twice though. I need to get someone to watch me drive and fuss at me.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
wtf do u do then? Do a voo-doo dance to slow the mini down? Im sorry, but thats a funny statement.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
It's called braking before a turn, pre-selecting your exit gear, and powering out from the apex. Not everybody is good enough to trail brake into a corner.wtf do u do then? Do a voo-doo dance to slow the mini down? Im sorry, but thats a funny statement.
Jenn, I can be available pretty much any evening, or a sunday if you want me to drive with you. LMK.I try my absolute best to never, ever brake in a turn. I think I may have hit the brake a little later than I should have once or twice though. I need to get someone to watch me drive and fuss at me.
owned!!!
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
damn EDM brothers regulatin this shit
ohh.. Your right, i forgot 'normal driving' was an option here. My bad.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
uhhh... Nice try, but owned is when someone makes a counterpoint that prooves the original poster to be either wrong and/or just shy of a valid point. In this particular instance Kendogg would have had to make a driving susgestion that would proove trailbraking to be the slower method of attacking a corner. BUT, Kendogg did not accomplish this, he did in fact make a point, but it was a tactic that is slower (which kendogg also agrees to because he said the driver must be better to trailbrake; better = faster is a safe assumtion imo). Now, however valid Kendoggs point is.. it sure doesnt deserve a "owned" post that wastes bandwidth.owned!!!
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Oh boys
I brake before a turn, not while in it. I just don't have the skills to brake in a turn without my antilock going nuts so I don't do it.
Last edited by JennB; 08-09-2006 at 01:33 AM.
2005 Mazdaspeed MX-5 -1.8L Turbo
Thats fine, and there's nothing wrong with that. Thats alot better than trying to be Micheal Schumacher when you aren't.Oh boys
I brake before a turn, not while in it. I just don't have the skills to brake in a turn without my antilock going nuts so I don't do it.
isnt that the truth.. thats why I dont push it at all out there in the mtns, i just go at my own little pace. Cant wait to get to the track with some of u guys where I can actually push it. (people leave me on the straights
Kendogg, that was u in the red e30 right? If so, my roof, hood, headlights, front bumper, kidneys, and windscreen want to thank you for all the rock chips
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
No, that was Thomas, the owner of AutoFab. I was the co-pilot in the white M3.isnt that the truth.. thats why I dont push it at all out there in the mtns, i just go at my own little pace. Cant wait to get to the track with some of u guys where I can actually push it. (people leave me on the straights
Kendogg, that was u in the red e30 right? If so, my roof, hood, headlights, front bumper, kidneys, and windscreen want to thank you for all the rock chips
rockchips give BMWs character
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
Yes they do..
Halston, the M sounds great man... I think i need a trackpipe, hmmm.. maybe autofab can help me out??
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
if this is happening and u dont want rock chips back off of the car and then change positions yeah thomas was a rock throughing bastard sun....
Kendogg, that was u in the red e30 right? If so, my roof, hood, headlights, front bumper, kidneys, and windscreen want to thank you for all the rock chips
-IA MGMT is inappropriate.
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