Mora Out

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

your hanging your teams fate on a quote from Alge CHUMP-ler ?
:lmfao:

---

No i'm just saying it's the truth. We all know vick can throw a good ball he's just inconsistent at times like any other QB in the league. Look at rothislenberger last season compared to this one.

I knew the problem was our coaching staff the whole time, I mean our whole staff came from the garbage ass 49ers that haven't been shit in atleast a decade. Vick isn't the problem the problem is we have shitty players and shitty coaching and that doesn't do shit for atlanta falcons

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by b18hatch

purely hypothetical for all the vick lovers....

do you think vick would take a 3 mill a year paycut to get a top teir receiver so that they might be able to get a ring??

---

/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/

wow mark Ben would be super pissed if he saw how you spelled his last name lol

just call him steeler #7

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by b18hatch

/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/

---

no, he wouldnt. but they would never ask him to do that anyway

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TeeJay

no, he wouldnt. but they would never ask him to do that anyway

---

if you were paid very highly and were a team player and wanted to benefit the team (as well as yourself) with better receivers and maybe a line, wouldnt you?

I sure as hell would..well shit no i wouldnt cause then i get paid less and cant blame the rest of the team then.....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by b18hatch

if you were paid very highly and were a team player and wanted to benefit the team (as well as yourself) with better receivers and maybe a line, wouldnt you?

I sure as hell would..well shit no i wouldnt cause then i get paid less and cant blame the rest of the team then.....

---

what are you getting at? :thinking:

we arent even talkin about how much vick gets paid, we're talking about him being a coach killer

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hulud

lol :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

wow

#21 Last Year's SuperBowl QB - got in a wreck and blows this year, 59% comp, 18td and 23 ints it doesnt matter what he did last year :lmfao:

#24 Rex Grossman QB for the best team in the NFC - but hes still not any good, 54% completion is good? 23 td and 20 ints is good? cmon man do a lil research

#25 Brett Favre "A Legend" - a legend doesnt mean he isnt past his prime :goodjob: cmon even farve has been declining 56% comp, 18 and 18 td and ints :no:

---

Dude I do my research and watch stats. I am just saying everyone acts as if Vick is the leagues worst QB. How many other QBs rushed for over 1,000 yards this year? 0. The guy is good for finding other ways to make things work and get out of tough situations. On a side not did everybody forget Atlanta also had one of the worst defense's in the NFL?? Ranked 22nd in overall defense, that can hurt your team's chances of winning.

Vick is a chump.

heres whats going to happen, i can see it now, Go reasearch the Arizona Cardinals.

They are going to attempt to bring in a decent coach. They will try to surround him with "better players" and when he STILL DOESNT WIN, it will always be someone elses fault.

i listened for YEARS about how Jake Plummer was the Messiah to the Arizona team. same arguments were made about him that you guys are making about Vick . Then when they surrounded him with good players, he STILL DIDNT WIN. and when it came time to unload plummer, he was worthless.

I mean we had David Boston, Michael Pittman, Pat Tillman, Kwamie Lassiter and he still couldnt do better than:

NFC East W L T % PF PA
Philadelphia Eagles 11 5 0 .688 343 208
Washington Redskins 8 8 0 .500 256 303
New York Giants 7 9 0 .438 294 321
Arizona Cardinals 7 9 0 .438 295 343
Dallas Cowboys 5 11 0 .313 246 338

look an sound familiar falcons fans?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

How many other QBs rushed for over 1,000 yards this year? 0. .

---

name me the last QB that RUSHED FOR MORE THAN 500 yds and WON A SUPERBOWL.

Instead of RUSHING to make himself more marketable, he should be concentrating on making his RECEIVERS BETTER.

but then, the falcons fans wouldnt be packing the stadium to see the leagues #1 rushing QB, but worst passer, and will never be a WINNER

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hulud

what are you getting at? :thinking:

we arent even talkin about how much vick gets paid, we're talking about him being a coach killer

---

im getting at the fact that falcons could actually be better but regardless the blame would still get passed around on why they are losing

Mike, great post about the plummer situation and im glad someone else see the marketing thing...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

Dude I do my research and watch stats. I am just saying everyone acts as if Vick is the leagues worst QB. How many other QBs rushed for over 1,000 yards this year? 0. The guy is good for finding other ways to make things work and get out of tough situations. On a side not did everybody forget Atlanta also had one of the worst defense's in the NFL?? Ranked 22nd in overall defense, that can hurt your team's chances of winning.

---

a. correect 0. but how many QB's were better QB's this season @ least 19. personally I'd say 20 b/c I'd take Brett Farve over Vick 7 days a week and twice on sunday. b/c he is a leader, Vick is a selfish cry baby.
b. good @ finding ways to make things work? I disagree big time! he's been sacked 45 times. only Kitna and Bulger have been sacked more. and 13 int's on 20 TD's. the guy has thrown the ball 204 times and rushed 123(& was sacked 45 of those times). appox. 40% of the snaps he takes he trys to run. finding ways to make things work? more like finding ways to fuck shit up. IMO :yes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

name me the last QB that RUSHED FOR MORE THAN 500 yds and WON A SUPERBOWL.

---

Does the name Steve Young ring a bell??

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

a. correect 0. but how many QB's were better QB's this season @ least 19. personally I'd say 20 b/c I'd take Brett Farve over Vick 7 days a week and twice on sunday. b/c he is a leader, Vick is a selfish cry baby.
b. good @ finding ways to make things work? I disagree big time! he's been sacked 45 times. only Kitna and Bulger have been sacked more. and 13 int's on 20 TD's. the guy has thrown the ball 204 times and rushed 123(& was sacked 45 of those times). appox. 40% of the snaps he takes he trys to run. finding ways to make things work? more like finding ways to fuck shit up. IMO :yes:

---

Maybe there were 19 other better then him but at the same time in my opinion he held his own for the situation. As far as him running the ball alot that has alot to do with the plays called by the coaches.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

Does the name Steve Young ring a bell??

---

WRONG

and what were his passing stats? Compare Young to VICK, id love to see that

STEVE YOUNG
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 34
Completions: 20
Passing yards: 21
Passing TDs: 19

Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1985 tam | 5 | 72 138 52.2 935 6.8 3 8 | 40 233 1 |
| 1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8 13 | 74 425 5 |
| 1987 sfo | 8 | 37 69 53.6 570 8.3 10 0 | 26 190 1 |
| 1988 sfo | 11 | 54 101 53.5 680 6.7 3 3 | 27 184 1 |
| 1989 sfo | 10 | 64 92 69.6 1001 10.9 8 3 | 38 126 2 |
| 1990 sfo | 6 | 38 62 61.3 427 6.9 2 0 | 15 159 0 |
| 1991 sfo | 11 | 180 279 64.5 2517 9.0 17 8 | 66 415 4 |
| 1992 sfo | 16 | 268 402 66.7 3465 8.6 25 7 | 76 537 4 |
| 1993 sfo | 16 | 314 462 68.0 4023 8.7 29 16 | 69 407 2 |
| 1994 sfo | 16 | 324 461 70.3 3969 8.6 35 10 | 58 293 7 |
| 1995 sfo | 11 | 299 447 66.9 3200 7.2 20 11 | 50 250 3 |
| 1996 sfo | 12 | 214 316 67.7 2410 7.6 14 6 | 52 310 4 |
| 1997 sfo | 15 | 241 356 67.7 3029 8.5 19 6 | 50 199 3 |
| 1998 sfo | 15 | 322 517 62.3 4170 8.1 36 12 | 70 454 6 |
| 1999 sfo | 3 | 45 84 53.6 446 5.3 3 4 | 11 57 0

In 1992 YOung RUSHED for over 500yds, but they lost to the cowboys in the conference championship.

The last time the 49ers won was in 1995, when young rushed for 293yds.



Mike, who alraedy knows the answers

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

Maybe there were 19 other better then him but at the same time in my opinion he held his own for the situation. As far as him running the ball alot that has alot to do with the plays called by the coaches.

---

plays called by the coaches arent routes breaking down and him holding the ball to long. one thing vick could do that would make him a million times better is throw the ball out...

getting sacked? throw it away...how many times this year have they been2nd and 18 or 3rd and 22?? stats like that speaks for themselves

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

Mike, who alraedy knows the answers

---

:lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao: :lmfao: :lmao:

touche

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

WRONG

and what were his passing stats? Compare Young to VICK, id love to see that

STEVE YOUNG
Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 34
Completions: 20
Passing yards: 21
Passing TDs: 19

Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1985 tam | 5 | 72 138 52.2 935 6.8 3 8 | 40 233 1 |
| 1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8 13 | 74 425 5 |
| 1987 sfo | 8 | 37 69 53.6 570 8.3 10 0 | 26 190 1 |
| 1988 sfo | 11 | 54 101 53.5 680 6.7 3 3 | 27 184 1 |
| 1989 sfo | 10 | 64 92 69.6 1001 10.9 8 3 | 38 126 2 |
| 1990 sfo | 6 | 38 62 61.3 427 6.9 2 0 | 15 159 0 |
| 1991 sfo | 11 | 180 279 64.5 2517 9.0 17 8 | 66 415 4 |
| 1992 sfo | 16 | 268 402 66.7 3465 8.6 25 7 | 76 537 4 |
| 1993 sfo | 16 | 314 462 68.0 4023 8.7 29 16 | 69 407 2 |
| 1994 sfo | 16 | 324 461 70.3 3969 8.6 35 10 | 58 293 7 |
| 1995 sfo | 11 | 299 447 66.9 3200 7.2 20 11 | 50 250 3 |
| 1996 sfo | 12 | 214 316 67.7 2410 7.6 14 6 | 52 310 4 |
| 1997 sfo | 15 | 241 356 67.7 3029 8.5 19 6 | 50 199 3 |
| 1998 sfo | 15 | 322 517 62.3 4170 8.1 36 12 | 70 454 6 |
| 1999 sfo | 3 | 45 84 53.6 446 5.3 3 4 | 11 57 0

In 1992 YOung RUSHED for over 500yds, but they lost to the cowboys in the conference championship.

The last time the 49ers won was in 1995, when young rushed for 250yds.



Mike, who alraedy knows the answers

---

LOL your questionw as a little misleadign to some i guess since you didnt clarify they had to rush 500 AND win superbowl in the SAME year lolol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by b18hatch

LOL your questionw as a little misleadign to some i guess since you didnt clarify they had to rush 500 AND win superbowl in the SAME year lolol

---

ok even if you interpret it that way, 1 YEAR young rushed for over 500yards, an they lost that year, look at the years they WON with him.

88-rushed for 184 yds
89-rushed for 126 yds
94-rushed for 293 yds

vick is rushing for over 1000yds. New breed of QB my ass, ill take Steve "Im mormon with 7 wives" young over michael "i got more Nikes than i know what to do with" vick anyday.

Im joking about the mormon comment

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD

vick is rushing for over 1000yds. New breed of QB my ass, ill take Steve "Im mormon with 7 wives" young over michael "i got more Nikes than i know what to do with" vick anyday.

Im joking about the mormon comment

---

I never said I would take Vick over Young. The question was left kindo open and not to specific. Like I said before though I am a Bengals fan and don't support Vick because I am a Falcons fan. I just think he needs a better chance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by b18hatch

plays called by the coaches arent routes breaking down and him holding the ball to long. one thing vick could do that would make him a million times better is throw the ball out...

getting sacked? throw it away...how many times this year have they been2nd and 18 or 3rd and 22?? stats like that speaks for themselves

---

He hasn't learned the concept of just throwing away the ball to well yet.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 97ITR86

I never said I would take Vick over Young. The question was left kindo open and not to specific. Like I said before though I am a Bengals fan and don't support Vick because I am a Falcons fan. I just think he needs a better chance.

---

and he could have it in an Arena or Canadian football league :lmfao:

I move to change the name of this thread to, "Mike Vick. wtf mate?!" or something along those lines. :2cents:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

and he could have it in an Arena or Canadian football league :lmfao:

---

Naw with another NFL team.

im a huge falcons fan and i like vick but, i do have to agree with some of the things that people are saying from both sides. vick is not as much of a team player as we need him to be, he doesnt control the team like he should. i dont think that we can blame any one person for the way that the falcons have been playing. there are too many good players on one team for them not to be a great team, that goes along with the coaches. i know that mora should have not said what he did on that radio station but, besides that he has been a good coach and we shouldnt have not got rid of him. there are alot of things that vick needs to work on as well as the rest of the team, i mean look at alge he was amazing last year and this year he dropped everything. if the falcons could learn to bring it to every game theres not a team out there that could stop them. as far as a new coach i dont know who to pick but, i think that we need to trade dunn for a good wide receiver. and for you people who thinks that vick should take a pay cut, you must not know that he took one at the beginning of this season so that they could keep schwab as a back up for one more year. so we can stop saying things like that because he already did. thats just my .02.

the really sad part is Atlanta has some damn fans for a change and want to root for the Falcons but we suck.