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Originally Posted by OUTLAW
You're like a little eighth grader who just got called out on the playground.
As a QB, Ryan>Vick. I cant wait for your cry-baby response to this.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by OUTLAW
You're like a little eighth grader who just got called out on the playground.
As a QB, Ryan>Vick. I cant wait for your cry-baby response to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7dFBfhpm5w ....... lol man you crazy, well heres my response. i am saying vick>ryan right now because ryan has not even finished his first year in the league, its too early to tell. yeah he is good, but i cant say better than vick just off of half a season you know. there has been times when ryan has not looked so hot, and times when he looks awesome. and that link is for the haters talking about vick cant throw a good ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
Vick had a cannon for an arm, I'm not denying that. But you could make a much longer video with the horrible decisions he frequently made. Some games he did more harm than good. Ryan already reads a defense better than Vick did, and you're right, he's not even done with his first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
As of now, I'm saying Ryan has a slight edge. Vick was a play saver. Ryan can't really run. However, it doesn't really matter because AS A QB Ryan is a smarter player. Just give him a year or two, and you won't be saying the same things.
LOL, that video was 4 minutes long and showed every decent pass he's made in his whole career. What I saw most of was a QB who would stare down his recievers and then throw the ball up to single coverage and let his WO make plays. The wide recievers looked a whole lot better than Vick in most of those plays. Face it, he was one of the best athlete's the game has ever seen, but as far as a QB...he's not that great. Mike Vick amde the Falcons exciting, but Matt Ryan is making the Falcons relevant in the football world.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
LOL, i was to a Vick fan, i just know Ryan plays smarter and as a team. Vick is good, and played as a highlight reel. If you watch alot of the old games w/ vick as qb. watch how he holds the ball when he scrambles and how many fumbles occured because of it. Vick is a good qb., but to get to the SuperBowl you need a smarter, good passer, alright runner to get there. Let the runnigbacks take the runs and hits. BTW Vick was to easy to read on his plays. Lets put it down like this a good defense will read Vick and know when hes running, or passing. Most of the time Vick would scramble for yards so the defense would work against that, and that wouldnt be hard Equation: (1 quarter back "vick"+ a few blockers, against a full pressed def.). Imo thats not a hard offense to cover. Alright Ryans situation, he can run alright, pass A+, and has a smart game plan Equation-(alright so w/ Ryan you could have him run, or have +4 recievers to pass to, and a back to lob it, hand off or pass to, which offense is harder to d. up against).
that vid showed some decent passes but look how good the recievers made him look when he would jut lob it out there an hope his team caught it; or when he would throw it almost out of bounds an the reciever would have to get both feet down befor he went out....
lol just admit it, he was good. well in that case, what about the passes that his receivers dropped.
Nobody said he wasn't good. You don't make it to the NFL as a scrub. What most people said is that he's a better athlete than he was a QB. And that he can't hold Ryan's jock when it comes to leading an offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
Every reciever drops balls...it happens. You think Tom Brady's or Peyton Manning's receivers never dropped a ball?! That's NO excuse for not being an efficient passer...sorry.
but some of you are already wanting to put ryan n the same breath as farve manning montana young marino brady moon fuckin legeneds this bitch aint prove shit so far noting. o n by the way farve sucked ass his first year hence why he was tradin by the falcons. i am a falcon fan first i have love the falcons when deion was playing jesse tuggle tim dwight chris chandler jamal anderson i just didnt jump an there ban wagon when Vick came. and for those of you keep sayin dumb shit look ooo look Ryan started his first season who really gives a flying fuck. the reason why vick didnt start was chris was still our qb same reason why the qb for green bay had to wait his turn the only reason this bitch is the starter is he bascially had no one to challenge him for the qb spot chris redman u really think he gave he a hard time lol i swear some of u just started watching football. u dont know people like sweetness the fridge purple people eaters steel curtain black hole barry sanders jet i bet alot of you dont even know who the jet was. fuckin newbs
hey ryan is gonna win rookie of year,and be tlaked bout in the MVP talk............not bad for a crappy QB
You just went from angry to retarded. None of us are saying Ryan is the best QB in the NFL. Get your head out of your ass, seriously. I'm sorry you're butt hurt that Ryan is better at leading an offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by OUTLAW
lol all this drama! but anyway this is only ryans first year. you cannot say he is better at running the offense just yet until he leads us past the regular season and then some. but outlaw is right, both vick and ryan were drafted by the falcons under different circumstances. so the fact that ryan is starting as a rookie is irrelavant really. and if vick really could not hold his own at QB, i dont think he would have been drafted as a QB, just look at matt jones situation, he was originally a QB in college.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
You know nothing about football and no matter how many hall-of-famer's you list, it won't cover it up. Vick didn't start his first year because he didn't know how to run the offense...that offense being any one that requires the QB to actually stay in the pocket. The QB in Green Bay(Aaron Rodgers) was on the bench behing Brett Favre, Vick was on the bench behing Chris chandler...BIG difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by OUTLAW
Ryan isn't just starting his rookie year, he's having a better rookie season than any other rookie QB, such as Peyton Manning and Ben Rothlisberger. He's also playing better than a lot of the veteran's in the league, so he could beat out more than just Redman for a starting job.
You are right, they were drafted under different circumstances. Vick came to a team 3-years removed from a Super Bowl and still had NO early success running the offense. Matt Ryan was drafted by a team that had just cleaned house and had one of the worst years in the franchise thanks to Mike Vike and Bobby Petrino. But, Ryan was able to lead the falcons to a winning record his first year and possibly the playoffs without the same star power Vick had. Not to mention he's pretty much a lock for ROY.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
I'm not trying to start drama, that guy is just acting like a hormonal 14 year old girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
And yes, I can say he is better at running the offense. And the fact that it's Ryan's first year does make a huge difference. Redman didn't do a bad job last year considering the circumstances, for Ryan to actually get the start says something whether you like it or not.
lol....yeah ryan is a good QB, but i really dont like how people like commentators and fans are putting him so high on a pedestal because if he falls, its gonna hurt. the higher up he is placed, the harder the fall. just let the kid make it through his first season at least, you get what im saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
Ryan still isn't all that great. My favorite part about him is that he's just a smart qb and has the potential to replace Vick as our franchise player. He's got a lot of time left in the NFL and from what I have seen he only stands to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIP Style
yeah i know, and man wtf is going on with the tampa game, ryan throws 2 picks and bryant is lighting the defense up.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpine_aw11
Im glad the falcons beat Tampa but damn they didnt deserve to win...they played like shit