THE PATRIOTS ARE SOME CHEATERS

[1000cckiller]

discuss on how they cheat, with cameras

[Hulud]

this should come as no shock, i mean look at Belichick. how the fuck could a bum like him actually lead a winning team?

fuck him and his staff. this is just as bad as pete rose, so Belichick should be banned.

[Deke]

I'm lost...what?

[OneSlow5pt0]

I'm lost...what?

the pats were videotaping the jets(right,or was it someone else)coach's signals

[1000cckiller]

I'm lost...what?

they we cheating this past sunday, they took a camera and was recording , the other teams defensive play call signal. So when they ran a defense they already knew what it was.

[bdydrpdmazda]

Yeah that is some crazy stuff and I hope they uncover a long chain of it and bust their asses.

[1000cckiller]

Yeah that is some crazy stuff and I hope they uncover a long chain of it and bust their asses.

me too, I knew Billy had some ghost in his closet

[Deke]

Wow, yeah, that's pretty damn shady...fucking nfl...

[1000cckiller]

Might need to take some of them rings and titles away

[BanginJimmy]

if you believe the talking heads it really is more of a deal in the press than it is on the field. By the time you learn what each call is, a QB like Tom Brady has most likely figured it out.

Shady as hell, but I seriously doubt it had any real impact on the game.

I hadnt heard yet, was the guy with the camera actually affiliated with the Pats or was he a freelancer?

[Alan®]

if you believe the talking heads it really is more of a deal in the press than it is on the field. By the time you learn what each call is, a QB like Tom Brady has most likely figured it out.

Shady as hell, but I seriously doubt it had any real impact on the game.

I hadnt heard yet, was the guy with the camera actually affiliated with the Pats or was he a freelancer?

i was just about to say the same exact thing and am woundering the same thing since the falcons have a snowballs chance in hell this year without vick i will be watching the pats so hopefully this turns out to be some bull shit like it usually does.

[Clegger]

ok you guys are lame, they record and take photos of the playbook and plays so the next time they play them (they are in the same division so they play each other two times) they then know the plays.

also.... WHAT TEAM DOESNT DO THIS! seriously they all do it

[bdydrpdmazda]

ok you guys are lame, they record and take photos of the playbook and plays so the next time they play them (they are in the same division so they play each other two times) they then know the plays.

also.... WHAT TEAM DOESNT DO THIS! seriously they all do it

How do you know this?

[DemonEyez]

How do you know this?

he knows it cus hes a pats bandwagon fan and doesnt want it to be true??

cus i sure as hell dont see it happening everywhere such as claimed by him

[BKgen®]

new england pathetics.

[gtikid]

he knows it cus hes a pats bandwagon fan and doesnt want it to be true??

cus i sure as hell dont see it happening everywhere such as claimed by him

Yes you do...watch a game and almost after every touchdown, they sit the QB down and show him pictures of the play that just happened and how the defense was positioned.

Like the other guy, it's more a "media controversy" more than anything. You really don't think QB's like Brady and Manning aren't good enough to pick a defense apart before the play starts?? You see Manning do it EVERY SUNDAY.

Besides, even if it was such a big deal as they're making it out to be, then what's your excuse for Randy Moss having 3 jets defenders on him and STILL CATCHING A BALL AND SCORING A TD??? Come on now, it doesn't matter if you know the exact defense they're running, to have 3 defenders on a receiver and STILL get the ball to him and him to score, what's your excuse for that? :jerkit:

[Nomad!]

I want to know what actions the league will take. Being that the conduct of players is being inficised, I wouldn't think coaches & staff would be excluded. After all, Goodell is all about "Protecting the shield".

[Alan®]

Yes you do...watch a game and almost after every touchdown, they sit the QB down and show him pictures of the play that just happened and how the defense was positioned.

Like the other guy, it's more a "media controversy" more than anything. You really don't think QB's like Brady and Manning aren't good enough to pick a defense apart before the play starts?? You see Manning do it EVERY SUNDAY.

Besides, even if it was such a big deal as they're making it out to be, then what's your excuse for Randy Moss having 3 jets defenders on him and STILL CATCHING A BALL AND SCORING A TD??? Come on now, it doesn't matter if you know the exact defense they're running, to have 3 defenders on a receiver and STILL get the ball to him and him to score, what's your excuse for that? :jerkit:

Well said

[gtikid]

I want to know what actions the league will take. Being that the conduct of players is being inficised, I wouldn't think coaches & staff would be excluded. After all, Goodell is all about "Protecting the shield".

Goodell is like a new IA Mod on a power trip

[TeeJay]

NEW PATS LOGO JUST IN!!!

[TeeJay]

if you believe the talking heads it really is more of a deal in the press than it is on the field. By the time you learn what each call is, a QB like Tom Brady has most likely figured it out.

Shady as hell, but I seriously doubt it had any real impact on the game.

I hadnt heard yet, was the guy with the camera actually affiliated with the Pats or was he a freelancer?

he was the patriots' video assistant, so he worked for the team

[DemonEyez]

Yes you do...watch a game and almost after every touchdown, they sit the QB down and show him pictures of the play that just happened and how the defense was positioned.

Like the other guy, it's more a "media controversy" more than anything. You really don't think QB's like Brady and Manning aren't good enough to pick a defense apart before the play starts?? You see Manning do it EVERY SUNDAY.

Besides, even if it was such a big deal as they're making it out to be, then what's your excuse for Randy Moss having 3 jets defenders on him and STILL CATCHING A BALL AND SCORING A TD??? Come on now, it doesn't matter if you know the exact defense they're running, to have 3 defenders on a receiver and STILL get the ball to him and him to score, what's your excuse for that? :jerkit:

long run no it doesnt make a huge huge difference. a good quarterback will still read everysituation on their receivers and make the right call as to where to throw the ball. really even if u know their exact Def setup what if one guy slips or your receiver gets the move on him so its not really that huge. except to maybe know like "ok thats a blitz call so their gonna blitz" etc. thats the only really relevant scenario IMO

[Deke]

Edit: ^Beat me and I like your post better.

I think you guys are kind of missing the point on this. Yes, every team studies eachothers defense. They watch numerous tapes before the game and figure out what the other teams tends to do in certain situations. They also review with the quarterback what all happened on the previous set of downs.

What they DO NOT do, is record the other coaches play calls from the sideline. Doing this completely elliminated any surprise the defense may have for them. The Pats were finding out the defensive plays the same time the players on the field were. Or at least that's my interpretation of it all. And I would call that shady as fuck. It's like having a mic in the other teams huddle.

[1000cckiller]

Edit: ^Beat me and I like your post better.

I think you guys are kind of missing the point on this. Yes, every team studies eachothers defense. They watch numerous tapes before the game and figure out what the other teams tends to do in certain situations. They also review with the quarterback what all happened on the previous set of downs.

What they DO NOT do, is record the other coaches play calls from the sideline. Doing this completely elliminated any surprise the defense may have for them. The Pats were finding out the defensive plays the same time the players on the field were. Or at least that's my interpretation of it all. And I would call that shady as fuck. It's like having a mic in the other teams huddle.

exactly +1

[ShooterMcGavin]

i bet y'all didn't know that belichick cheated on his wife w/the cameraman too

[1000cckiller]

Yes you do...watch a game and almost after every touchdown, they sit the QB down and show him pictures of the play that just happened and how the defense was positioned.

Like the other guy, it's more a "media controversy" more than anything. You really don't think QB's like Brady and Manning aren't good enough to pick a defense apart before the play starts?? You see Manning do it EVERY SUNDAY.

Besides, even if it was such a big deal as they're making it out to be, then what's your excuse for Randy Moss having 3 jets defenders on him and STILL CATCHING A BALL AND SCORING A TD??? Come on now, it doesn't matter if you know the exact defense they're running, to have 3 defenders on a receiver and STILL get the ball to him and him to score, what's your excuse for that? :jerkit:

how they are positioned doesnt have anything to do with if they will blitz , of stunt, or spy. By the Pats know the play calls they know who will blitz, stunt or spy that is cheating.

[1000cckiller]

Pats coach is fined 500k, and the pats were fined 250k and if they make the palyoffs they forfeit one of their 1st round draft picks next year

[BanginJimmy]

hefty fines. I am glad to see someone in pro sports actually sticking it to the players and coaches that dont do what they are supposed to be doing.

Also I heard today, that Brady knew most of the hand signals the jets used even before the game because they were the same as they used last season and during the preseason.

[gtikid]

hefty fines. I am glad to see someone in pro sports actually sticking it to the players and coaches that dont do what they are supposed to be doing.

Also I heard today, that Brady knew most of the hand signals the jets used even before the game because they were the same as they used last season and during the preseason.

Exactly, good QB's like that see that shit coming as soon as they line-up and make adjustments

[gtikid]

how they are positioned doesnt have anything to do with if they will blitz , of stunt, or spy. By the Pats know the play calls they know who will blitz, stunt or spy that is cheating.

Like I said, just watch the Colts every weekend and you'll see Manning pick any defense apart. No Huddle Offense FTW............but his SKILL/ABILITY to do that might be considered cheating sometime down the road

[gtikid]

long run no it doesnt make a huge huge difference. a good quarterback will still read everysituation on their receivers and make the right call as to where to throw the ball. really even if u know their exact Def setup what if one guy slips or your receiver gets the move on him so its not really that huge. except to maybe know like "ok thats a blitz call so their gonna blitz" etc. thats the only really relevant scenario IMO

Just like Randy Moss' touchdown with 3 jet defends allover his ass. He burnt them and then the ball could not of been thrown anymore perfect

Come on guys, even I pick defenses apart while playing Madden ....who wants some??

[Deke]

Come on guys, even I pick defenses apart while playing Madden ....who wants some??

But I don't think that there is a feature on Madden that allows you to look at the other coaches signals...

[gtikid]

But I don't think that there is a feature on Madden that allows you to look at the other coaches signals...

you must not play madden enough, you can clearly see what play whoever your playing against is choosing, its on the same tv

But back to what your saying, I'm just a mediocre madden player, not a star QB that's been doing this all his life. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing out there and what to look for. It becomes repitition

[Deke]

you must not play madden enough, you can clearly see what play whoever your playing against is choosing, its on the same tv

Note to self: Never play Madden against gtikid.

I'm not really trying to bust your balls here, I'm just saying that looking at someone elses play calling (in real life) is shady (on Madden it's still somewhat shady, but it's a game, so whatever). It should be up to a quarterback to read the defense by how they're set-up and how they're moving, not what the coach calls from the sideline.

But back to what your saying, I'm just a mediocre madden player, not a star QB that's been doing this all his life. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing out there and what to look for. It becomes repitition

Exactly However, this still doesn't justify watching someones play calling.

[Deke]

Just to clarify: I don't think it's as a big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. But you have to admit that it is still shady.

[gtikid]

Just to clarify: I don't think it's as a big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. But you have to admit that it is still shady.

I agree. It's really not that big of a deal. I guess just since EVERY OTHER SPORT out there has had some kind of "cheating" scandal, they took advantage of this one and blew it up a lot more than what it really is.

I respect how Bill Belichik didn't even try to make an argument and just accepted the consequences, didn't even try to make his case or prove a point I really hope people don't try to place him in the same boat as Barry Bonds or that NBA ref.

BTW, NO ONE WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME TO MADDEN!! I don't even have time to look at the other players screen anyways I'm just damn good enough to not care what defense the other player is running I talk a lot of shit when it comes to Madden

[mengus200sx]

damn new england cheated again..o well .. they still my favor team ....yep new england pat.....rule.......fuck yea..

[TeeJay]

damn new england cheated again..o well .. they still my favor team ....yep new england pat.....rule.......fuck yea..

[gtikid]

Soooooooooooooooooo what's everyone's excuse for this weekend?

They rocked the shit out of the Chargers. I wonder how stupid Goodell feels now Even LT had good things to say about NE....

[TeeJay]

did yall see the browns omfg