Motor Question

[hellomynameiscarlos]

Ok i called pacific engine and they said they have 0 b16's in stock and 0 trannys. Does anyone know any where that will sell 92-95 b16's and 88-91 b16 tranny's seperate. i really want to put the obd1 b16 into my ef
thanks

[EvasiveEF9]

...just use any cable b-series tranny...

[KevinT707]

Easier and much less expensive to just go ahead & get a cable tranny than hydro. Yes, they are hard to find and those shops in Cali that sell motors want an arm & a leg for an OBD0 B16 tranny ($600).

[hellomynameiscarlos]

well that sux how hard is it to convert from obd0 to obd1

[hellomynameiscarlos]

the cable tranny bolts right up correct is the hydro worth the extra money?

[Vteckidd]

why do you want an OBD1 motor?

Your better off getting an OBD0 and trading the dizzy and ECU out.

Transmission wise, be prepared for $$$$$

Hydro is better but requires a conversion kit

[JDMJAYDC2]

^the great one has spoken

[EvasiveEF9]

Mr. Kidd...love ya, man. But I beg to differ.

What's so great about hydro?

[hellomynameiscarlos]

well money i dont have so i guess i will be going with the cable tranny and then just converting the 88-91 b16

[00CelicaGT]

try best jampanese, i dont know if there a good shop but i was given the # buy a guy i wok wit. they're located in marietta

(770)426-5755

[jfrolang]

I've been to Best Japanese Engines in Marietta, and I do not recommend buying anything from those guys. I was there when I was shopping for a swap, and they are FAR from the "best" engines available. The engines looked like they were removed from the cars with a plasma cutter, everything was cut. harnesses, axles, fuel lines, hoses, downpipes, shift linkage, everything was cut. The prices were higher than HMotors too, they will not ship at all (pickup only) and you only get a 14-day start-up warranty.

For The Loss.

Did I mention all the engines looked like they were taken directly from junkyards? Most of them had fluids leaking all over the place, and there wasn't a valve cover in the place that wasn't in ****ty shape. I believe HMotors when they say their engines are removed from running cars, based on what I've seen from them, but BJE is truly junk.

[jfrolang]

As for the hydro vs. cable debate, hydro has the advantages of being newer and you'll never stretch a clutch cable because of a badass pressure plate. Unfortunately, all the "hydro conversion kits" I've seen suck too, especially Hasport's. The best way to put a hydro tranny in an EF is to install a full hydraulic clutch system, but that's not exactly cake. I'll take a cable YS1 any day.

[jfrolang]

The OBD-1 JDM B16 is not the same engine as the OBD-0 engine. It has higher compression (10.4 vs 10.2), slightly more aggressive cams and better flowing manifolds, which adds up to 10 more hp. You can convert a 1st gen B16 to OBD-1 but you won't get that extra 10 hp.

[Vteckidd]

Hmotors FTW!

Hydro is better because:

Hydro transmissions are rebuildable with parts from the dealer or other hydro trannys. They are easier to find since they came in integras from 94-01 in the US and JAPAN vs Cable trannys that we only got in 90-93 integras.

Cable B16 transmissions have weaker synchros and are known for grinding. Unless you get the coveted YS1 GSR transmission($$$$$), NO INTERCHANGEABLE PARTS FROM OTHER HYDRO B SERIES TRANNYS WILL WORK (LSDs, FInal Drives, Gears, etc) That means you cant buy an ITR LSD an swap it in, or ATS Final Drives, or JDM final drives.

The cable trannys use 2 different clutches depending on year, so changing the clutch can be confusing for first timers.

List goes on an on.

I mean, for a beginniner, especially an EF, cable b16 is the way to go, its the easiest, no wiring problems, plug an play ecu, cheap mount kit, etc.

But in terms of which trans is better, Hydro hands down

[jfrolang]

But in terms of which trans is better, Hydro hands down

I'm not convinced. The points you raise (availability, ease of rebuilding, which clutch to use) don't really have much to do with the transmission itself.

Assume you have a good GSR YS1 cable tranny in front of you with a good hydro B16 tranny, and assume for the purposes of this comparison that the gearsets are identical. Also assume that the clutch actuation process is irrelevant. Why is the hydro transmission a better choice?

[jfrolang]

Have you tried JHot?

[Vteckidd]

Well again, re read what i said.

UNLESS its the GSR YS1 tranny, the cable transmissions arent even close to the hydros.

The difference between the YS1 GSR (not all YS1 is gsr FYI) and a B16 hydro transmission is so miniscual its not even worth debating.

Go find me a B16 hydro trans, they are everywhere. Find a YS1 GSR tranny, good luck, and if you find one, its $700-1000. I know, ive owned 10 CRXs. ive had both.

The hydro is a more durable transmission compared to the Cable trannys. They just last longer, and are newer etc.

Im sorry, but my points about the parts interchanging, clutches, ease to locate etc are what make me choose the hydro tranny over the cable.

Hydro tranny feels better too, easier to shift. Cable trannys are squishy. Hydro is crisp.

YOu can disagree, thats fine, its just my opinion since ive owned every tranny.

PS: Your assuming the gearsets in both trannys are the same and everything is identical, when in fact they arent so your arguement is kinda skewed

[Konstantin]

I think he meant that IF they were the same, what would be the ups of one over the other. Sort of, for arguments sake, lets assume, kinda thing.


However...valid points one way and the other have been made...but I'm not seeing gains toward either side.
IF, for instance, I was to be in teh market for a B16 swap into my rex, money being somewhat of an issue, but not a severe one, what would be the best choice? A full hudro conversion? A hydro kit? (what about hasports kit is so crappy, by the way?) Just stick with cable tranny and spend the extra on the Ys1?

[jfrolang]

I actually do have a GSR YS1, so I know how it is. I said assume the gearsets are identical so I could see what makes you choose the hydro, and eliminate the slight possible advantage of better gearing as an option. I do prefer the clutch feel of a cable tranny too. haha. ease of installation just seals the deal for me, I'll rock my YS1 forever.

[Kyle91Hatch]

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[jfrolang]

i got a question to. What do yall think about me putting a B18b1 in my hatch???? Im thinking about buying the motor that Silversol has up for sale in Honda/acura part Pm me or reply to thread

If you get a good deal there's nothing really wrong with having one. You get low-end that you simply can't get with any 1.6 liter engine.

[LIKEG6]

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[Vteckidd]

maybe you guys are misunderstanding me.

In a CRX, you best bet is a CABLE GSR YS1 IF YOU CAN FIND ONE, but good luck.

After that is a Hydro transmission. The YS1 GSR has almost the same internals as a hydro B16 so they are almost the same.

My point is, youll NEVER FIND ONE. They only came in 92-93 GSRs. They are EXTREMELY rare, and there are alot of bull sh it claims on the internet.

EVERY DA integra had a transmission that said YS1. The only way to tell for sure if its the BALLIN GSR is to pop the case an count the teeth on the final drive.

Ive owned an driven both.

The Hydro B16 with ATS 3rd/4th and Kaaz LSD was the best transmission i ever owned. It shifted smooth, crisp and clean. It never gave me any trouble. Still runs to this day ina buddys car actually lol.

Now, my friend had a YS1 GSR with 4.78 FD and a ITR LSD. It was freshly rebuilt, he had over $2000 in his trans. and after 6 months of hard driving, it started grinding 3rd gear at high rpms.

Now any tranny can fail, ive just seen more cables do it than hydros.

I had the HASPORT kit, any aggresive pressure plate an it wont disengage properly. It was a decent kit, but had issues with flexing an binding.

In a crx, your best bet is :

Cable B16 (easy to find, just be prepared for it to go out)
Cable YS1 GSR
Hydro

But if money wasnt an option, IMO the hydro is better.

[jfrolang]

EVERY 92-93 DA integra had a transmission that said YS1.

Fixed.

[jfrolang]

My point is, youll NEVER FIND ONE. They only came in 92-93 GSRs. They are EXTREMELY rare, and there are alot of bull sh it claims on the internet.

I hope you're not calling me a liar, I do have the super sweet YS1.

[Vteckidd]

Im not calling you a liar, chill out.

An ive SEEN 90-91 integras with YS1 transmissions.

I believe some said Yk1 as well

[jfrolang]

There is no Yk1... there are S1, A1, Y1, J1 and YS1 cable B-series trannies. YS1 is strictly a 92-93 code, so it must have been a replacement tranny for that 90/91 car you saw.

I do agree with you about the prevalence of non-GSR YS1 transmissions. A friend of mine told me he got a GSR YS1... based only on the YS1 sticker on the case. It was apparent that it wasn't a GSR as soon as I drove it.

[Vteckidd]

yeah thats what i meant by "BS INTERNET CLAIMS"

I tried to find a GSR YS1 for 3 months. I went an looked at 6 trannys that were "GSRs" that turned out to be LS.

You prob know more about cable trannys than i do

[Vteckidd]

IIRC s1,y1,J1,A1 are only JDM b16s correct?

[jfrolang]

S1 and A1 trannies can be found in USDM 90/91 Integras. Y1 is an EF SiR tranny (CR-X or Civic SiR) and a J1 is a JDM 90/91 Integra XSi tranny.

[Vteckidd]

Its been years and my memory is not what it used to be.

thanks for the history lesson

[hellomynameiscarlos]

thank you guys for the info

[hellomynameiscarlos]

is the A1 cable tranny even worth putting into my ef with a b16 i think i can get one pretty cheap

[jfrolang]

It's an LS transmission, with the torque of a B16 you will regret it. Hold out for something better.

[hellomynameiscarlos]

ok ty

[KevinT707]

Too much debate, all I know is I like Hydro because IT IS crispy like a fresh $100 bill. I've had 2 cable trans on my motor right now & both of them grind; 1st tran was 3rd gear, 2nd & current tran is 5th gear.. ghey!