• All the h22 info you need to build a beast

      Since h2b seems to be the new thing i figured built h2b would be even better. I have checked and out of all the b series sticky threads that makes building a engine so easy there is not one on a h series . People are scared of what they dont know and people like to have something to go by when there building there motor .To clear up a few things a h22 block and a h23 block are exactly the same no difference at all. They were both cast from the same mold . If you decide to use a h23 block the only thing you have to do is pull the tiny oil restrictor out the top of the block so the vtec head can get enough oil to engage vtec . It is in the center of the block all you have to do is hand screw a 8mm blot in it and pull up thats all. If you decide to run a h23 crank you have to bend the oil squirters so they want hit the threw on the crank . If you running floating rist pin rods (odds are if your building your motor you will run floating rist pin rods ) then you dont need the oil squirters at all so just take them out . I never run oil squirters less friction on the crank (oil falling back down after being squirted onto the rods) means more hp. The first thing they ask is how much hp will this set up make .For starters im going to give a couple different combinations to get different compression with different pistonsd and cranks. This is with a stock head gasket which compresses at .026 thousandth and nothing taken off the block or head. Then i will list a couple different set ups i have done and how much hp they made plus times they run at the track.

      usdm h22 10.0
      jdm h22 10.6
      jdm h23 10.6 9 ( my dad cc one the other day )
      type s h22 11.1

      h23 pistons have a different rist pin displacement then h22 pistons causing 1. of compression if you run h22 pistons on h23 crank and h23 rods. If you run any of these set ups your piston will stick out the block aproximately .020 . Remeber you have .026 of head gasket plus about .030 worth of lip in the head there is plenty of clearence you could even shave a little if you wanted a little more compression but i would recomend claying the motor if you take anymore off then what im suggesting. There is not a piston to valve interference problem but i do suggest taking a dremel and opening up the valve reliefs(they dont need to be deeper just take some off the back) just a little just in case you break your timing belt it will help preventing bent valves but you dont have to .

      h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 usdm pistons 11.0
      h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 jdm pistons 11.6
      h23 crank,h23 rods,h22 type s pistons 12.1

      As you can see if you want to make a nice all motor set up you can get alot of compression with stock h series parts. Also just to help everybody out a f22 crank and rods is the same part number as a h23 crank and rods they are the same thing so there is you a cheap crank and rods to start your build with.

      Now here is a couple simple 225-230 hp motors i have built very cheap then i will go from there.

      h22 crank
      h22 rods
      type s pistons (11.1 compression)
      skunk2 stage 2 cams
      euro r intake
      70mm throttle body
      kidd racing header (rmf)
      stock head
      balance shaft removal kit
      2.5 half inch ebay exaust
      three inch intake
      t2t4 f20b trany
      227hp
      ran low 13s with this in a cx hatchtrany never went in second right

      h23 crank
      h23 rods
      type s pistons (12.1 compression)
      skunk2 stage 2 cams
      kidd racing header (rmf)
      stock head
      balance shaft removal kit
      stock intake
      stock f20b 65mm throttle body
      2.5 inch muffler shop exaust
      three inch cold air intake
      m2b4 trany
      231 hp (25 more hp across the mid range due mainly to the longer stroke crank)
      ran 12.8 in si hatch complete interior

      As you can see there are some very simple all motor builds you can do with a h22 motor. I have never went h2b (although i am in the process of building on now) but from my understand there suppose to take about a half a tenth off your time so minus half a tenth on any off the set ups above for h2b . Also because of the gearing h2b is worth about ten more dyno hp so add ten hp to each set up for h2b. Make sure you do the balance shaft elimination there good for up to 10 dyno hp which you will not get anywere esle for 130
      dollars.I had to cut the dome off my 11.5 cp pistons to get them down to 12.3 compression because of running them on h23 crank and h23rods . Remeber that adding 1. for h22 pistons only applies to what i listed when you start boring or shaving the head and block everything changes . Also the further in the head the piston goes everything changes because of the shape of the cumbuston chamber.

      Here is a couple 250 plus hp motor i have had a hand in .

      H22 crank
      h22 crower rods
      h22 weisco 11.5 compression 88mm pistons
      skunk2 intake
      70mm throttle body
      skunk2 pro2 cams
      port and polished head (by my dad )
      kidd racing header (rmf)
      full 3 inch exaust
      3 inch intake
      balance shft removal kit
      h2b b16 trany
      252 hp
      ran high 12s in cx hatch also had trouble with trany

      H23 crank
      h23 crower rods
      11.5 h22 88mm cp pistons (had to cut the doom off the pistons to get 12.3 compression)
      golden eagle dropp in sleeves
      skunk2 stage 2 cams
      port and polished head (by my dad )
      port and polished stock intake (by my dad )
      kidd racing header (rmf)
      2.5 muffler shop exaust
      3 inch cold air intake
      h series t2t4 trany off a f20b
      252hp (about 25 more hp across the midrange because of the larger crank i beleive)
      running 12.3 in si hatch complete interior
      This article was originally published in forum thread: All the h22 info you need to build a beast started by h22 jones View original post
      Comments 126 Comments
      1. h22 jones's Avatar
        h22 jones -
        If someone wants to sticky this feel free so that everytime someone pms me asking about set ups i can send them here . I am in the process of building at least two motors that will be a good bit bigger then the set ups i posted about when i get the results i will update thread . If anybody can think of anything else that would be good info please post . If anybody sees anything they think is wrong please post as it is late and im not perfect by any means . Please do not crowd this thread with well i thought this ,and i read that, if i did not have my hands on it and check it myself then it would not be posted .This is not stuff i read. I am not saying i dont make mistakes but if you correct me do it yourself not by something you read please. I get phone calls everyday about building h series motors so i thought i would just help everybody out a little and post some stuff that i know .
      1. big mac's Avatar
        big mac -
        couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
        and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

        this is my current set up

        h22a swap
        h22 type s cams
        skunk 2 cam gears
        skunk 2 intake manifold
        skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
        aem fuel rail
        removed balance shat belt
        aem fpr
        dsm 440 cc injectors
        walbro 255
        3inch velocity stack intake
        kidd racing drag race header
        custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
        m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
        stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
        zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

        i made 199 whp and 159 tq
        with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

        im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe
      1. DarKStaR's Avatar
        DarKStaR -
        ^if im not mistaken(mike correct me if im wrong) but i believe h22 jones is/was running type s valvetrain with the s2s2
      1. big mac's Avatar
        big mac -
        think its okay with type s valve train but idk about the h22a
      1. h22 jones's Avatar
        h22 jones -
        I have run several cams on type s valve train with no probleams for years . I do not rev my motors past 8300 because they do not make power past that. Type s cams have a tone of lift there actualy pretty aggresive cams . Ive seen 240hp on type s cams . My point is the type s valve train is realy nice stuff i wouldnt be scared to run it on any cams but stage 3 or pro 3 because of coil bind issues. On realy big strait race cams you end up with coil bind if you dont run the proper springs with the proper cams . In other words the lobes on the cam are so big that when they compress the springs the springs actualy bottom out before the lobe spins all the way over. This will eat up valve train and destroy a head . To answer your question with out over reving the motor type s valve train will work just fine with stage 2 cams ive been running them for 2 years . As for long trips on high compression motors there is no problem as long as the motor is built properly . Actualy with the stage 2 cams the primary lobe is the same as stock cams so unless your in vtec your basically running stock cams thats why we get such good gas mileage. So as for lng trips if your not in vtec your basicaly driving a stock motor with a little more tourqe from the higher compression bottom end. All that does is when we slow down to make a turn we dont even have to down shift just leave it in fifth and it doesnt even lug the motor realy alot of fun to drive . We are also running a resonator and a hudge muffler so the car is very quite untill you lay into it then has a realy nice deep sound. I normaly trailer the car to main stream to get tunned just because i love to ride in my expidition but we have drove the car there several times and dynoed it . Also how long your built motor last completely depends on how well you built it ours has around 15,000 on it right now and as far as i can see its just broke in well it keeps making more power everytime we put it on the dyno and has more vacum then it did the first time we dynoed it.
      1. *EFilliated*'s Avatar
        *EFilliated* -
        Good thread sir
      1. RsonGt3's's Avatar
        RsonGt3's -
        dam this guy knows his shit



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      1. big mac's Avatar
        big mac -
        h22jones, what kind of gains to you think i would see keeping the same head i have now and going with h23 crank, rods and type s pistons?
      1. EJ6's Avatar
        EJ6 -
        good shit next year is going to be fun
      1. *EFilliated*'s Avatar
        *EFilliated* -
        O yea

        Quote Originally Posted by EJ6 View Post
        good shit next year is going to be fun
      1. EJ6's Avatar
        EJ6 -
        Quote Originally Posted by *EFilliated* View Post
        O yea
        word
      1. h22 jones's Avatar
        h22 jones -
        Around 15hp and over 25 foot pounds of tourqe if i had to guess. I made 230 but with better cams and a little deferent stuff you should see 215 no problem. I always try to be moddest so if you make more you will be even happier lol.
      1. 94ej2's Avatar
        94ej2 -
        great info sir.
      1. big mac's Avatar
        big mac -
        hahaha lol gotcha bc i thought the 199 and 159 tq were awsome just for mainly bolt ons.
        so from there i could still do type s valve train and sk2 cams for a bit more
      1. *EFilliated*'s Avatar
        *EFilliated* -
        numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?

        Quote Originally Posted by big mac View Post
        couple of questions. so its safe to run stage 2 cams on h22a stock valve train?
        and how reliable is high compression h22 as far aslong trips?

        this is my current set up

        h22a swap
        h22 type s cams
        skunk 2 cam gears
        skunk 2 intake manifold
        skunk 2 68 mm throttle body
        aem fuel rail
        removed balance shat belt
        aem fpr
        dsm 440 cc injectors
        walbro 255
        3inch velocity stack intake
        kidd racing drag race header
        custom 3inch exhaust only magnaflow resinator
        m2b4 tranny lsd also have trouble with second haha
        stage 3 clutch with 91 accord shift assembly
        zex wet nitrous kit 65 shot

        i made 199 whp and 159 tq
        with 65 shot 259 whp and 230 tq

        im looking to do a oem build soon shhoting for like 240. along with h2b maybe
      1. big mac's Avatar
        big mac -
        yeah man tuned with p28 on crome from import experts in winder ga
      1. .:Stirfry:.'s Avatar
        .:Stirfry:. -
        great info: vote sticky
      1. DarKStaR's Avatar
        DarKStaR -
        Quote Originally Posted by *EFilliated* View Post
        numbers seem kinda low for the stuff that's done to it. Is it tuned?
        numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different
      1. *EFilliated*'s Avatar
        *EFilliated* -
        True

        Quote Originally Posted by DarKStaR View Post
        numbers are just that...numbers...every dyno is different
      1. chaseamundo's Avatar
        chaseamundo -
        Sticky this!!!!

        great info!
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