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    Default Alain Prost's infamous 1990 Formula 1 Ferrari 641/2 will go under the hammer.













    I have posted the videos on how the 1989 and 1990 F1 seasons were settled. Its stuff like this that makes this the greatest era in F1 history.

    1989 Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka

    1990 Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka



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    A Formula One car at the centre of one of the most bitter battles in F1 history, as well as one of its most infamous acts, goes under the hammer at the highly anticipated Ferrari Leggenda e Passione event at Ferrari’s home in Maranello on May 17. The car is the Ferrari 641/2 F1 car driven by Alain Prost in 1990 during his acrimonious run-ins with his McLaren rival, Ayrton Senna. It is also the actual car that Prost was driving when Senna punted him off the track in Japan within seconds of the start of the race, handing the Brazilian the 1990 title – an act which prompted an appalled Prost to make the comment that “motor racing is sport, not war.” In the hands of Prost, chassis 121 scored in total two third-place finishes, two second places and a victory in 1990, and is expected to fetch an estimated USD$700,000 at auction.

    Ferrari F1 Clienti department, which maintains Ferrari Formula One cars for owners so they can drive them at selected events around the world, carried out a no-expense-spared overhaul on the unique 1990 Ferrari 641/2 F1 car, at a cost of nearly €110,000. Work included fitting a new injection system and set of gears for the sequential box, an overhaul of the braking system and dyno testing of the engine. No fewer than 360 hours were spent refurbishing the car, which was subsequently shaken down at Fiorano in April 2008 by the Ferrari test drivers. Ferrari F1 Clienti welcomes the car, which still performs impeccably, at any of its events during the 2009 season and even the Monaco Historic Grand Prix in 2010.

    The year 1990 saw Ferrari with a dream driver line-up. Nigel Mansell, who fans called “Il Leone” (The Lion), was in his second season with the Scuderia and “Le Professeur” (The Professor), Alain Prost, was making his debut with the Maranello team. Ferrari was to have its best season in years.

    Steve Nichols joined Ferrari from McLaren in November 1989 and thus inherited a John Barnard-designed car for the second time in his career. His 1987 McLaren MP4/3 had been a logical development of Barnard’s last car for that team, and Nichols decided against making any drastic changes to the Ferrari 640 concept. A larger and more robust fuel tank was used, the bodywork was revised and huge advances were made with both the sequential gear change and engine development. Ferrari’s V-12 engine was acknowledged to be one of the most powerful power plants by the middle of the season. The Ferrari 641 was a superb handling racing car, which Alain Prost described as being “the best car on the grid".

    The 1990 season was to see the height of the bitter feud between Prost and Ayrton Senna. The 1989 championship had ended in acrimony with a clash between the two rivals at Suzuka. Prost retired, while Senna pitted for a new nose and duly won the race. He was later disqualified and fined. Prost was handed the title and the sport’s governing body refused to issue Senna with a license at the beginning of 1990 until he had paid his penalty and made a public apology. Both drivers blamed each other for the incident and the scene was set for more fireworks in 1990.

    Ferrari 641/2 chassis number 121 was made available to Prost for the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa on Sunday, August 26. Prost qualified third on the grid and finished an excellent second.

    The next round at Monza produced a similar result. Prost qualified second in chassis 121, behind Senna and finished the race in the same position. At Estoril Mansell and Prost, again behind the wheel of chassis 121, occupied the front row with Senna slotted in behind. The start was a disaster for Prost. His teammate cut across the track in front of him and both McLarens were passed in an instant. Prost finished third.

    At Jerez, Prost began to claw back some advantage. He and Senna were first and second on the grid again, but this time it was Senna who had bad luck, retiring with a punctured radiator. Driving chassis 121, victory at the Spanish Grand Prix was Prost’s. After the race he spoke of the tremendous spirit in the Ferrari team and the realistic chance he had to take the championship.

    It was not to be. The next race was the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka. On the first corner of the first lap, Senna, who was unhappy about pole position being on the dirty side of the circuit, punted Prost off the circuit, giving him the championship. The two men’s bitter rivalry had culminated in a repeat of the previous season. Prost was appalled and outspoken. “Motor racing is sport, not war,” he said.

    Senna of course blamed Prost and it would take another year before Senna admitted that the move was deliberate. “He just had to let me through,” said Senna. “I didn’t care if we crashed. He took a chance, he turned, and we crashed. But what happened was a result of 1989. It was built up. It was unavoidable. It had to happen. I did contribute to it, yes. But it was not my responsibility.” Later the two rivals were reconciled and became friends.

    Driven by Prost, chassis 121 had two third-place finishes, one being in the season’s final round in Australia, two seconds and a dominant victory during the 1990 season. This car has since spent some time in both the United States and Japan in important private collections.

    More significantly, this car is a unique piece of Grand Prix history. It was raced by Alain Prost in perhaps the most acrimonious and fiercely fought Formula 1 championships ever, and was an innocent party in one of the most infamous acts seen in the sport. Just before the start of the Japanese Grand Prix of 1990 Prost said, “Whatever happens, I feel that, technically, Ferrari has won the championship this year, because we have the best car…” A few seconds after the green light, it was all over.

    Specifications: Est. 685 bhp at 13,000 rpm, 3,500 cc 65-degree Ferrari Tipo 036/037 V-12 engine, Magneti Marelli/Weber fuel injection, Ferrari seven-speed transmission, double wishbone, pushrod-actuated inboard torsion bar and damper front suspension, double wishbone, pushrod-actuated inboard coil-spring/damper rear suspension, four-wheel SEP/Brembo disc brakes. Wheelbase: 2,855 mm (113.4 in.)

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    Didn't read this yet, but those lines look so much better than the new ones!

    I always loved the way the old F1 cars looked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frög
    Didn't read this yet, but those lines look so much better than the new ones!
    They sure do.

    This era produced some of the best ever looking Grand Prix cars.

    The best part is Marlboro was the title sponcer to McLaren and a side sponcer to Ferrari so Rosso Corso was allowed to cover the car.

    It almost looks like its bare red. So beautiful.

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    I want a car identical to it for the street

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    I want a car identical to it for the street
    lol, that'd be awesome.

    Here's my idea. A 333 SP fitted with a hardtop and modified for the street. If someone can do it to a 962, no reason you cant to a Ferrari IMSA machine.


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    Amazing photos, definitely saved. As for the 333SP street car, yes please.

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    I still say the late 80's and early 90's was the best time period for racing. Massive pushes in technology that spawned high-power machines that could only be controlled by the best drivers in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFSil80
    I still say the late 80's and early 90's was the best time period for racing. Massive pushes in technology that spawned high-power machines that could only be controlled by the best drivers in the world.
    Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Schumacher, Berger.

    Yeah, that group is definetly certified.

    opps. I almost forgot to add a vital figure in F1 history to that group.

    One of My Heroes. The "Flying Finn" Mika Hakkinen


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    Quote Originally Posted by EJ25RUN
    Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Schumacher, Berger.

    Yeah, that group is definetly certified.

    opps. I almost forgot to add a vital figure in F1 history to that group.

    One of My Heroes. The "Flying Finn" Mika Hakkinen





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    I don't know much about F1 cars & stuff but when it comes to the world of track cars like NASCAR, F1, Cart, & the cars that race at Le Mans (LMx) etc.

    Which are the fastest to slowest ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinT707
    I don't know much about F1 cars & stuff but when it comes to the world of track cars like NASCAR, F1, Cart, & the cars that race at Le Mans (LMx) etc.

    Which are the fastest to slowest ?
    There are so many variences and specifics that apply to your question, but would be decently difficult to break it down to you, and be able to specifically say which is fastest to slowest in several different categories..

    Overall, IMO, and from my dedication to the motorsports-world, and being an avid fan of all of the above (minus NASCAR).. I really couldn't tell give you a direct or concrete answer to that.. They all have their own mechanical/performance pro's and con's for a given category of the motorsport segment.

    I know that in the ALMS, there are several classes.. LM[P1], LM[P2], GT1, GT2.... each having their own specifications and regulations for suspension, chassis, drivetrain, powertrain, braking, etc.

    However, Formula One (F1) is an unlimited technology series. The best racing technology in the world goes into them. The rules allow exotic curves and shapes of front wings and the cars have very curvy, wild aerodynamic shapes. CART is the old name for Champ Car World Series. ChampCar is a "spec. series" meaning that all race teams use the same manufacturer of cars, tires and engines. All ChampCar cars are very basic looking with a curved cockpit nose and single plane wings on front and back. They race mostly on road courses and street races so they usually have big wings front and back. ChampCars have only a roll hoop behind the driver's head no air intake scoop. Indy Racing League was born in 1996 when the owner of the Indianapolis track tried to control who would participate in his race. IRL cars race mostly on Ovals so they have very pointy and long nose that tapers up gradually and their wings seem to be very small and flat and there is an air scoop behind the driver's head.


    In short, they all have their pro's and con's in specific categories, relating to 'which is fastest'.. into a corner, through a corner, coming out of a corner, straight line, braking, etc? Each are built for a specific duty or purpose, and each are designed and produced to a wide, varying amount technical specification both near and far, and sometimes on the opposite spectrum, when comparing a NASCAR series car, with a Formula One car..

    I would definitely say, just because I'm a fan, but, Formula One cars are probably the fastest, ALL AROUND car for its purpose... Next I would say the LMP1 and LMP2 American LeMans Series cars, then CART, then sliiiightly behind IRL, then lastly NASCAR.. probably NASCAR would be tied up with IRL.. very closely.. being that they both see banked OVALS.. however, I don't really pay attention much to NASCAR laptimes or IRL laptimes.. Then last, would probably be the ALMS GT1 and GT2 cars.. those would probably be comparible, in terms of lap times, with NASCAR series cars around a road course... However, each of the above listed Racing Series can be tuned and setup specifically for pretty much anything within it's mechanical capabilites, and stepping outside of their Racing Organization's regulations/specifications... so, who knows? lol

    Regardless.. I just think Formula One > ALL. lol.. It doesn't take much skill behind a wheel of a car to turn left, and draft other cars to pass, given their aerodynamic properties... ie; NASCAR. Winning a race is based off of several things.. Setup, Pit Stops, and lastly driving.. I say driving, because I've seen QUITE a few AMAAAAZING drivers lose numerous races because of poor setups, poor organization/decisions made by their crew cheif or team leader (ie; pit stops, fuel, etc). All in all NASCAR, I personally think, is like playing a game of chess... but strapped into a chunk of steel with wheels, a 30+ degree banked oval track, 30-40 cars, speeds in excess of 200mph, pit stops, and OVER the fucking board advertisements.. NASCAR has gone completely downhill in the last 15+ years. Hardly requires talent these days... it's all based off of advertising, retarded rules/regs, and poor directing from crew chiefs. Honestly, switching over to another racing series on the other side of the spectrum, ie; Formula One, IMSA/ALMS, CART... those are pretty much driver-focused/driver-oriented motorsports, where it DOES take a whole lot more than a right foot to drop the pedal to the metal, and two arms and hands to turn left... lol, honestly, this can get into a CRAZILY huge, heated-ass, debate... lol. Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded.. lol But yea.. Like I said, they all have their pro's and con's.. and each of them, in their own respect, is a scary fast car around pretty much, any given course..
    (given the proper setup) lol



    Yea, my lol..

    Kevin, you should go with me to see a Formula One race with me next year overseas!! I've been planning to go watch in person, pretty much my whole life... lets doooo it!

    lol
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