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    Default Breaking F1: FIA Court rules double diffuser design legal





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    FIA declares double diffusers legal

    By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, April 15th 2009, 09:03 GMT


    The FIA International Court of Appeal has declared the double-decker diffuser designs used by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams as legal.

    Following overnight deliberation by the judges after a court hearing in Paris on Tuesday, the ICA has rejected the appeals lodged by Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Renault. BMW Sauber and McLaren had also entered the appeal as affected parties.

    A statement issued by the FIA on Wednesday morning said: "The FIA International Court of Appeal has decided to deny the appeals submitted against decisions numbered 16 to 24 taken by the Panel of the Stewards on 26 March at the 2009 Grand Prix of Australia and counting towards the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship.

    "Based on the arguments heard and evidence before it, the Court has concluded that the Stewards were correct to find that the cars in question comply with the applicable regulations."

    The ICA's decision is a blow to those teams that did not pursue the design concept when they created their 2009 cars - as it is widely accepted that the double-decker diffusers have brought a performance advantage.

    Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen suggested last week that the diffuser decision would be vital for the outcome of the world title - with his team likely to have to wait for several races before being able to fit a suitable one to their car.

    "The FIA's Court of Appeal will decide about the diffuser and this decision will have an enormous impact on the championship," Raikkonen said.

    "We're missing grip and downforce. You just need to analyse the performance in the three sectors at Sepang to understand that we're losing a lot compared to the best cars. You could see it especially in the middle sector where downforce is really crucial.

    The row over the diffusers has also led to intense confrontation between the rival factions - with Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn being on the receiving end of attacks from Renault and Ferrari about his use of the diffuser concept.

    However, he has stood firm in his belief that the design was legal – and confirmed recently that he offered rivals the chance to close off the regulations to prevent teams exploiting the diffuser designs, but they rejected the opportunity.

    "In March 2008 that was offered," said Brawn, when asked by AUTOSPORT about the matter.

    "If I'm frank I didn't say 'look we are going to do this diffuser if you don't accept this rule' because I'm not going to tell people what we're doing, but I explained that I felt that we should have a different set of rules to simplify what needs to be done.

    "I offered them and they were rejected, so my conscience is very clear. And those rules that I put on the table would have stopped a lot of things. It would have stopped the diffuser, it would have stopped all those bargeboards around the front, and it would have cleaned the cars up.

    "Because it was clear that when we started to work on the regulations that there were things that you could do, and we needed to perhaps clean them up, but nobody was interested. They are interested now."

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    Odds on how long it takes for everyone to run the "cheater" diffuser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSix
    Odds on how long it takes for everyone to run the "cheater" diffuser?
    I'm sure Ferrari, McLaren, and BMW were smart enough to begin working on theirs the weekend of the Australian GP.

    I expect to see most of the teams equipped with this diffuser by round 3.

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    Ha I bet some engineers are losing a quite a bit of sleep over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongolPup
    Ha I bet some engineers are losing a quite a bit of sleep over this.
    No doubt there.

    Many team's seasons are at risk because of this decision.

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    I think, with the showing of Brawn and Toyota so far, that most of the teams are out of championship contention at this point.

    I thought the same thing about the engineers regarding them already working on new diffusers, at first. But, consider a slightly different perspective. If you were an engineer on a team that thought the Brawn, et. al. diffusers were illegal and on a team that was protesting the design, would you really begin work on something that you, and your team, thought was illegal?

    I have a feeling that it'll take longer to get new diffusers on the cars than I initially thought, because I agree with what you said EJ. Until just now, I figured engineers were already designing something in the event the protest wasn't upheld. Now, I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightSix
    I think, with the showing of Brawn and Toyota so far, that most of the teams are out of championship contention at this point.

    I thought the same thing about the engineers regarding them already working on new diffusers, at first. But, consider a slightly different perspective. If you were an engineer on a team that thought the Brawn, et. al. diffusers were illegal and on a team that was protesting the design, would you really begin work on something that you, and your team, thought was illegal?

    I have a feeling that it'll take longer to get new diffusers on the cars than I initially thought, because I agree with what you said EJ. Until just now, I figured engineers were already designing something in the event the protest wasn't upheld. Now, I'm not so sure.
    The diffusers were likly to be allowed when Charlie Whiting and the F1 stewerds said they were allowed in the first race of the season. The FIA is not going to turn a decision upheld by the chief stewards. They are best at handling outright violations of the sporting code such as Lewis and Dave Ryan's lie.

    F1 has politics involved (as it always has) and every team except those three wanted the decision to go their way and sent their best people to France to argue their case. But, they knew they were fighting and uphill fight and if you are at the top, you have to be ready for anything.

    Consider this, the situation the 3 teams that went with the diffuser were in.
    Frank Williams has admited that if it wasn't for the 2009 rules, his team was likly to have to leave. Toyota is entering a pressure year where if they don't perform, Toyota will want out. Brawn spent 75% of the winter trying to find a buyer instead of finishing the car he developed through most of 2008. These three were on the bubble and took this risk for that reason.

    Ferrari. McLaren, and BMW will be back to their old ways by June.

    You have to remember that when most of the bottom teams threw in the towel for 2008, McLaren and Ferrari were still developing the 2008 cars for Brazil. This was time and effort not focused on the 2009 cars.

    What i'm trying to say with that is the diffusers are not the only reason the Brawn and the Toyota are so much better as of now.

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    Some japanese newspaper that claims to have inside sources said that Honda sold the team to Brawn for 1 british pound LOL.


    Quote Originally Posted by EJ25RUN
    They are best at handling outright violations of the sporting code such as Lewis and Dave Ryan's lie.

    They have a court hearing on that on the 29th. McLaren might get kicked out of the 2009 season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plv
    Some japanese newspaper that claims to have inside sources said that Honda sold the team to Brawn for 1 british pound LOL.
    Contracts quite often have a phrase in them that says something like what I quoted. It's usually worded, "...ownership for $1 plus other consideration." It's actually a poorly written contract that names the precise amount of money that is changing hands. The "plus other consideration" part can be anything from cash to property.

    Perhaps my post above was a little misleading. I didn't mean to imply that the diffuser design was the only reason that Brawn and Toyota are doing well.

    This season is rapidly shaping up to a bit of a roller coaster ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plv
    Some japanese newspaper that claims to have inside sources said that Honda sold the team to Brawn for 1 british pound LOL.


    They have a court hearing on that on the 29th. McLaren might get kicked out of the 2009 season!
    Ron Dennis quit F1 all together this morning.

    I see this as a terrible end to his career. I feel he was the greatest ever F1 team principle going back to his Prost, Senna, and Hakkinen days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plv
    They have a court hearing on that on the 29th. McLaren might get kicked out of the 2009 season!
    Quite a bit of discussion about that in this forum, look for the thread. It'll probably be below this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongolPup
    Quite a bit of discussion about that in this forum, look for the thread. It'll probably be below this one.
    I'll make a thread about it closer to the court date. With things like this, you wanna let the dust settle because things change rapidly. That is why i posted the diffuser thread the day of the court result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongolPup
    Quite a bit of discussion about that in this forum, look for the thread. It'll probably be below this one.

    There's usually about 5 new articles about F1 in the paper per day. If I was to make a different thread for each piece of news we would have like 50 different F1 threads going on at the same time, when only like 5 people here read them.

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