pic thanx to Andy Blackmore.
Ill add more later.
2009 FIA Formula 1 ING Australian Grand Prix
pic thanx to Andy Blackmore.
Ill add more later.
Round 1
Australian GP Melbourne
Albert Park Circuit
Speed TV Coverage
Saturday Qualifying : March 28 2:00 AM
Sunday Race: March 29 1:30 AM
Weekend Headlines.
1. Toyota, Brawn GP, and Williams use of possible illegal diffuser mechanisms.
Visual Comparison
McLaren and Ferrari's Legal squared off diffuser vs Brawn GP and Williams' triangular element on the rear light.
McLaren and Ferrari
Brawn GP and Williams
***Spoilers From here down***
Qualifying results
2009 FORMULA 1 ING AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX
Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 22 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:25.211 1:24.855 1:26.202 19
2 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:25.006 1:24.783 1:26.505 21
3 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:25.938 1:25.121 1:26.830 21
4 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:25.922 1:25.152 1:26.914 19
5 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:25.846 1:25.123 1:26.973 21
6 10 Timo Glock Toyota 1:25.499 1:25.281 1:26.975 19
7 3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:25.844 1:25.319 1:27.033 21
8 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:26.194 1:25.265 1:27.127 20
9 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:25.899 1:25.380 1:27.163 21
10 14 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:25.427 1:25.241 1:27.246 20
11 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:25.827 1:25.504 14
12 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:26.026 1:25.605 12
13 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:26.074 1:25.607 16
14 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.184 1:25.726 15
15 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.454 no time 5
16 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:26.503 10
17 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 1:26.598 12
18 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 1:26.677 10
19 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:26.742 9
20 11 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 1:26.964 10
Last edited by EJ25RUN; 03-28-2009 at 03:19 AM.
HOLY BRAWN F1 QUALIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INSANE!!!!!
The diffuser deal, they are technically LEGAL in the rules, I think they will win the appeal honestly.
I'm not gonna go to the diffuser debate just yet. Some will say the device is ALL that is giving the speed but i disagree.Originally Posted by simontibbett
Williams and Toyota had those diffusers too...... where were they?
I'll give that diffuser a couple tenths but they are head and shoulders faster than anyone else.
I'm really glad to see this as Ross Brawn deserves the best and congrats to Rubens and Jensen.
Not at all surprised to see Vettle as the best of the rest. The Red Bull is the best looking car imo. Reminds me of the Ferrari 126 C4.
Not surprised to see you post first.
I noticed the ITV stream was 10 minutes ahead of SpeedTV's broadcast.
I think the they will win the diffuser argument as well as it is three teams that will be posting the appeal.
Its great to see the cars actually getting loose again. Lets see if there's actually more passing.
I think Button can't hold Barrichello back. I also think Massa will finish well, specially if BrawnGP is disqualified. Not what I'm hoping for, but we will see.
This is a pretty poor track for Felipe. His best finish is 6th in 2007 and the rest are either DNFs or No Times.
Yes, but keep in mind that the Brawn team is not only using the modified diffuser, but they also don't have the added weight of the KERS system.
I'm not sure how I feel about the whole rear diffuser issue yet...
Whether they win the appeal or not, it should make this season pretty interesting. I think if some of the other teams are this upset about the whole rear diffuser situation, they should go ahead and modify their diffusers similar to the Brawn and Williams teams for future races.
Congrats to Brawn though, very impressive for a new team. I'm just glad the SFM boys finished in the top 10.
Yeah is not having KERS a benefit? You lose the weight but don't have the 80HP bump either.
I feel like the power boost for that 6 seconds per lap is offset by the added weight.
It is. Seeing a driver fight the car is one of the most important aspect of racing.
For the past 2 years, the pole man won the race.
2006...Button was on pole and did not win the race.
Williams is said to have the best KERS system in the paddock and Toyota did not want to modify their chassis in order to fit the unit.
I'm gonan keep my opinion on the fact that last year, Ross Brawn spent more time than anyone else developing this car.
One thing that should be noted is when the FIA called upon various team members to help put the 2009 car rules together, no one from Toyota, Williams, Brawn (Honda at the time) was present.
Steve Matchett also brought on something interesting. Brawn is using Mercedes' FO108W Engine with great success thus far while the factory McLaren are no where to be seen. What's Norbert Haug thinking right now lol?
This was also the first time a pole position was earned by a new team on their debut since MARCH did it in 1970.
Kers weights about 80 lbs so some of the drivers have begun losing weight to help compinsate the difference.
On a second note, KERS is dead weight that cannot be moved around so you might get a 6.6 sec advantage out of corrners but on entry and going through, you towing something that not everyone else is.
On yesturdays broadcast, an onboard with Kimi Raikonen showed him using KERS on the new speed telemetry. He used it up in less than 3 corners.
Race day will really help us see the difference.I feel like the power boost for that 6 seconds per lap is offset by the added weight.
Does anyone know which teams are running KERS?
1. Williams
2. Ferrari
3. Renault (maybe check in a sec)
4. ...
On a side note, im pretty sure the people tha have posted thus far will make up 90% of the posts in this and other F1 race threads i make.
To keep it organized, i'll make a new thread for each race. 17 in all this year.
Last edited by EJ25RUN; 03-28-2009 at 12:50 PM.
I saw the KERS telemetry last night, pretty cool, I personally could see it MAYBE only being a positive thing in a close close battle. Weight is always the enemy of a race car.
I guess it's would you rather have 80lbs extra and 80 more HP for a few seconds, or 80lbs less and no 80 extra HP jump...personally I would choose the no KERS. I am interested to see how it really performs in wheel to wheel conditions and if it's noticeable.
Who's jacked up on caffeine and counting the time down?
I wont start caffeinen till about 2:00. Same way i handle the Le Mans 24.
Besides that, i'm ready!
Anyone got questions or opinions on the new sig?
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I added some news in post #2
*Both Toyota's will be starting from the back because of flexing rear wings.
*Hamilton goes down 10 grid spots for gearbox change.
Some random person on Autoblog posted the weights of the cars but i can NOT say they are accurate. I'll have to check.
1. Jenson Button - 664.5kg
2. Rubens Barrichello - 666.5kg
3. Sebastien Vettel - 657kg
4. Robert Kubica - 650kg
5. Nico Rosberg - 657kg
6. Felipe Massa - 654kg
7. Kimi Raikkonen - 655.5kg
8. Mark Webber - 662kg
9. Nick Heidfeld - 691.5kg
10. Fernando Alonso - 680.7kg
11. Kazuki Nakajima - 685.3kg
12. Heikki Kovalainen - 690.6kg
13. Sebastien Buemi - 675.5kg
14. Nelson Piquet - 694.1kg
15. Giancarlo Fisichella - 689kg
16. Adrian Sutil - 684.5kg
17. Sebastien Bourdais - 662.5kg
18. Lewis Hamilton - 655kg
19. Jarno Trulli* - 660kg
20. Timo Glock* - 670kg
This is how they lineup for the race as well.
Beardy Branson's Virgin is now the title sponcer for BrawnGP.
Last edited by EJ25RUN; 03-28-2009 at 09:57 PM.
What's this on the Toyota wing?
Sucks for Hamilton *jumps up and down*
F1Live...
Timo Glock and Jarno Trulli have been excluded from this afternoon’s qualifying session for the season-opening Australian Grand Prix after qualifying sixth and eighth respectively. The duo will therefore join Lewis Hamilton at the back of the grid for Sunday’s 58-lap event.
Post-qualifying inspection revealed that the TF109 wings flexed excessively and therefore contravene Article 3.15 of the FIA technical regulations which specified that wings must not have any ‘degree of freedom’.
Toyota statement
"Toyota Motorsport has been informed that the rear wing of the TF109 has been found to demonstrate "extreme flexibility" by the Australian Grand Prix stewards.
"The design has passed our own internal test procedures which are designed to reproduce twice the proscribed official load tests. In light of this decision it is clear we must review these procedures to ensure there is no repeat of this situation and we will also review our production processes to ensure there is no variation between parts.
"We naturally accept and respect the decision of the race stewards.
We intend to modify the components overnight and we are confident these modifications will not result in any performance drop."
Article 3.15 of the technical regulations
'With the exception of the cover described in Article 6.5.2 (when used in the pit lane), the driver adjustable bodywork described in Article 3.18 and the ducts described in Article 11.4, any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance: - must comply with the rules relating to bodywork; must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom).'
^Thanks for the info, that sucks for them.
My channel is set on SPEED and I am awake and ready.
I'm awake at the moment, but I don't know if I'll stay up for the race. The Tivo is definitely set to record it and, at worst, I'll watch tomorrow morning before heading in to work.
Should be a really exciting season. I'm skeptical of the KERS system. It would seem to me to not be worth the trouble, especially after watching the qualifying results.
I think that the diffuser appeal will be stuck down. I seriously doubt that the Brawn, et al., designs are really *that* much of an advantage.
Should be a really exciting season!
not long now, boys
Who's watchin?
Safety car took way too long to be called out.
Is Vettle or Button being picked up by the safety car?
*goes to get timing and scoring*
anyone else having issues with timing and scoring?
Exactly. It stayed out for way too long as well.
This twilight race time must mean the guys up in race control just had dinner and are sleepy
Bernie's wants Europe to have primetime TV hours.Exactly. It stayed out for way too long as well.
This twilight race time must mean the guys up in race control just had dinner and are sleepy
That means the U.S. has to wait longer to see and more important, the actual race is worse for the fans, teams, and drivers.
.....
(i wrote that before Speedtv said same thing)
Kubica is dumb for seeing Vettle all over the place with 3 to go and knowing he can get him in a safer spot.
Vettle dumb for knowing his tires were gone and he should have just taken 3rd.
BRAWN 1&2 OMG!!!!
Hamilton is on the podium.....haha
After starting pretty much last, that's impressive.
Forget that ^ timing and scoring was off.
Hamilton was forth.
Did this really just happen?!!?!?!?
BRAWN GP WINS
AWESOME, so exciting, amazing finish for Brawn....wow....lol......
I thought the race was great, looks to be an exciting year, the competition seemed very tough this race and more hardcore wheel to wheel? The start was awesome.
Wow. speechless.
That was totally worth staying up.
I didn't even need the coffee. Hope every race is like this from now on.
The three of us should get on AIM and chat as the race is going on.
My name on there is EJ25RUN
TV in podium = Good Idea
2009 FORMULA 1 ING AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX
Provisional Results
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 22 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 58 Winner 1 10
2 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 58 +0.8 secs 2 8
3 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 58 +1.6 secs 20 6
4 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 58 +2.9 secs 18 5
5 10 Timo Glock Toyota 58 +4.4 secs 19 4
6 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 58 +4.8 secs 10 3
7 16 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 58 +5.7 secs 5 2
8 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 58 +6.0 secs 13 1
9 11 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 58 +6.2 secs 17
10 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 58 +6.3 secs 16
11 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 58 +7.0 secs 9
12 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 58 +7.3 secs 15
13 14 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 57 +1 Lap 8
14 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 56 +2 Laps 3
15 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 55 +3 Laps 4
16 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 55 +3 Laps 7
Ret 3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 45 +13 Laps 6
Ret 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 24 +34 Laps 14
Ret 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 17 +41 Laps 11
Ret 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 0 +58 Laps 12
You were right lol.
Barrichello got a lucky for once. Good race.
Felipe started last year with 2 DNFs so all he needs to do now is avoid any engine explosions while leading and pit stop catastropes for the rest of the year.
And maybe a car more competitive to the Brawn will help too.
I'm glad Barrichello got a break. I remember when he crash from the lead here in his Ferrari days.
Trulli had 25 secs added to his overall racetime because of off behind the safety car. This dropped him from 3rd to 12th.
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F1.com overview of weekend.
Brawn GP take dramatic one-two victory in Melbourne Not since the French Grand Prix in 1954 has a team new to Formula One racing finished one-two on their debut. That day it was Juan Manuel Fangio and Karl Kling for Mercedes-Benz. This afternoon it was Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello for Brawn-Mercedes after an extraordinary ‘race of two halves’ in Australia.
Button led from pole as Barrichello bogged down when his car activated its anti-stall device, and the Brazilian was then embroiled in a first-corner clash with BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld, Red Bull’s Mark Webber, Force India's Adrian Sutil and McLaren’s Heikki Kovalainen.
Button streaked away from Sebastian Vettel’s Red Bull, Robert Kubica’s BMW Sauber, Nico Rosberg’s Williams and the Ferraris of Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen. But the face of the race changed on Lap 19 when Kazuki Nakajima crashed his Williams heavily, bringing out the safety car until the end of the 24th lap.
By then Button had watched a 47.7s lead reduced to nothing, and began to struggle to generate heat in his tyres. But he got his head down and opened a gap to Vettel again. As the Ferraris faded, Kubica found his BMW Sauber getting better and better on the harder Bridgestone tyre and gradually began to put Vettel, on the softer option tyre, under serious pressure in the closing stages.
Going into Turn Three on the 55th lap - with three left to run under a setting sun which made driving conditions very difficult - Kubica got alongside Vettel but they touched. Both spun, but continued. But not for long. Vettel had lost his front wing and crashed heavily just as Kubica, further down the road, did the same thing. Out came the safety car again.
Incredibly, that melee had promoted Barrichello back to the second place, despite his first-lap incident and a later touch with Raikkonen which damaged his Brawn’s front wing. It was changed during his first pit stop on the 18th lap. As the race finished under the safety car, he admitted that he had never expected a one-two after all his dramas.
Jarno Trulli started from the pit lane after Toyota’s rear wing infringement yesterday, but hauled through to take the final podium finish, while a very determined drive brought a hugely valuable fourth place for McLaren's Lewis Hamilton. The world champion was briefly third in the dying stages after Trulli ran off track behind the safety car, before the Italian subsequently retook the place - an infringement which prompted stewards to subsequently add 25s to his race time, later dropping him to 12th.
In the second Toyota Timo Glock came home fifth. The German survived a spin while battling from his own pit lane start, when he and Fernando Alonso tangled.
The Spaniard brought his Renault home sixth, while seventh place came as a bitter disappointment to Rosberg. The German was running fourth with six laps to go and had set fastest lap, but had used up his Bridgestone option tyres and was simply in no position to defend the place. By the finish he had rookie Sebastien Buemi thirsting after him as Toro Rosso’s Swiss driver scored a point for eighth place on his debut.
Neither of the Ferraris finished. Both struggled with tyre wear, and as Massa suffered a mechanical problem late in the race, Raikkonen spun and subsequently retired.
Sebastien Bourdais was ninth in the second Toro Rosso, ahead of Adrian Sutil, who survived a brush with Force India team mate Giancarlo Fisichella. They were separated by Heidfeld, who was consigned to a recovery race after the first corner fracas, while Fisichella further delayed himself by missing his pit marks in his first stop.
Webber, another in recovery mode, was the final classified finisher, ahead of Vettel, Kubica, and Raikkonen. The retirements were Massa, Nelson Piquet who spun his Renault after the first safety car restart, Nakajima and Kovalainen.
Button’s great victory marked the 200th for a British driver.
"It's not just for me but for the whole team,” he said, “a fairy tale ending really to the first race of our career together and I hope we can continue this way. We are going to fight every way we can to keep this car competitive and at the front. This has got to continue and this is where we want to be. Bring on Malaysia!”
Just watched the British BBC1 version of the race.
I cant believe i'm saying this but just like in its ITV days, SpeedTV commentary is better. I do like David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan serving as pit reporters but you don't hear them all the time.
Speedtv's Steve Matchettwisdom of tech, David Hobbs drivers thinking input, and Bob Warsha's overall great commenting skills really made me much more interested in the race.
For instance, the Vettle Kubica shunt.....SpeedTV treated it as the amazing ending it was while the BBC team were much more conservative about it.
Maybe its just me as i love Motogp's Toby Moody and Julian Ryder's approach of being on the limit of the microphone all the time.
(They're back with Eurosport's Motogp team for 2009 btw)
I guess in the perfect world, F1 would be covered BBC style with NO COMMERCIALS and have SpeedTV's commentary.
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One important fact presented by Eddie Jordan deserves mention.
The internet is full of people laughing at Honda right now for the success of BrawnGP.
It must be noted that after Hondas offical exit from F1, they were the ones that provided Ross Brawn and Nick Fry the funds to restart a new team.
For that, i say thank you Honda.
Wow.
That was an amazing race. Brawn's 1-2 finish is simply astounding.
I thought that the racing was a little tighter and more exciting than last year. Perhaps the new aero rules will actually help to stiffen the competition. I *do* hope that the side effect isn't that the cars are as "snappy" as they seem to have been during practice and qualifying. Perhaps some of that comes from the drivers getting used to the new package?
I think this season will be really exciting to watch.
I was screaming at the T.V towards the end of the race. Damn Vettel or however you spell his name.
I loooovvvve no driver aids!
I have since watched the race twice...wow is probably the best way to describe it.
Now thats the way to start a season!
So hamilton got third now
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