Why not come to the race track?

[redrumracer]

If i was 18 and lived at home and had a dead end or no job and a pos miata thats been totaled id be at every track event that was available.

so if you were 19 then you wouldnt do that??

[EJ25RUN]

??

lol, i had SimmonTibbetts and your Miata spining in my head when i read that...Is that a bad thing?

[green91]

so if you were 19 then you wouldnt do that??

hopefully i would have graduated to a sponsored f1 position by then.

[Elbow]

Damn you are stupid ^

[Elbow]

lol, i had SimmonTibbetts and your Miata spining in my head when i read that...Is that a bad thing?

When you read the question marks?

[green91]

Damn you are stupid ^

you cant really think that i am serious.

[blackshine007]

^^yes. The F1 team probably saw your driving and tried to have your licsense revoked.

[mocha latte cupcake]

no time or money for it. sure it would be nice to get out and play like that but hey bills and other things are more important than honing my "cornering" besides i live on a curvy road, with traffic circles and hairpins... its a ghost road for the taking. and as much as i'd like to get out to road courses and what not i just can't see myself doing auto crossing.. sure its fun but eh not a huge fun factor for me, dodging cones...i did a ride along with an instructor once.. if i got "out of hand" he would correct me with a brake pull... i slid nicely, missed my clipping point by a hair would have taken out only 1 cone and finished the corner/slide... but NOPE! he yanked the brake sending me @ light speeds into about 50 cones... screwing up the course for a while.

[green91]

^^yes. The F1 team probably saw your driving and tried to have your licsense revoked.

funny guy

[Elbow]

no time or money for it. sure it would be nice to get out and play like that but hey bills and other things are more important than honing my "cornering" besides i live on a curvy road, with traffic circles and hairpins... its a ghost road for the taking. and as much as i'd like to get out to road courses and what not i just can't see myself doing auto crossing.. sure its fun but eh not a huge fun factor for me, dodging cones...i did a ride along with an instructor once.. if i got "out of hand" he would correct me with a brake pull... i slid nicely, missed my clipping point by a hair would have taken out only 1 cone and finished the corner/slide... but NOPE! he yanked the brake sending me @ light speeds into about 50 cones... screwing up the course for a while.

Road racing > Track days < Autocross

Green91 no I don't think you are serious

[Georgia_boy]

I'm at just about every SCCA event I can make it to. I love it, i'm gettin everything ready for next year.

[redrumracer]

hopefully i would have graduated to a sponsored f1 position by then.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL id hope to do that by 18 lololololololololol

[redrumracer]

no time or money for it. sure it would be nice to get out and play like that but hey bills and other things are more important than honing my "cornering" besides i live on a curvy road, with traffic circles and hairpins... its a ghost road for the taking. and as much as i'd like to get out to road courses and what not i just can't see myself doing auto crossing.. sure its fun but eh not a huge fun factor for me, dodging cones...i did a ride along with an instructor once.. if i got "out of hand" he would correct me with a brake pull... i slid nicely, missed my clipping point by a hair would have taken out only 1 cone and finished the corner/slide... but NOPE! he yanked the brake sending me @ light speeds into about 50 cones... screwing up the course for a while.

hell you can just go down to hutchinson island and play around

[Prime.]

lol, i had SimmonTibbetts and your Miata spining in my head when i read that...Is that a bad thing?

just kinda made you sound like a douche... lol

how did you know my car's been totaled and rebuilt?

[Thighs]

^^^^ thats supposed to be me.... lol

dont ask...

[87 Turbo II]

stock 25 year old suspension and 185 tires (getting 205s then maybe suspension within the year) after that is done, I don't know where to start/sine up. Until then I autoX when I can.

[Thighs]

ive decided that im gonna go to the next autocross event. not this weekend but whatever one is after that im gonna drive in.

now to make my car pass tech...

[matthewAPM]

ive decided that im gonna go to the next autocross event. not this weekend but whatever one is after that im gonna drive in.

now to make my car pass tech...

your car will pass tech no problem..

[Mike Lowrey]

I do go to the track. Get off my back already! LOL

[matthewAPM]

I do go to the track. Get off my back already! LOL

i wish i could do them in a elise...

[RWD164]

For anyone who is uncertain about road racing, just do a couple of track touring laps around Road Atlanta on a race weekend, and you will be hooked. My first laps of Road Atlanta were in a 1994 Volvo 940, they were a blast.

[matthewAPM]

For anyone who is uncertain about road racing, just do a couple of track touring laps around Road Atlanta on a race weekend, and you will be hooked. My first laps of Road Atlanta were in a 1994 Volvo 940, they were a blast.

hell yeah man. you could do laps in a fit and have fun

[Mike Lowrey]

Yeah, its not about what car you are running. Its about how you can control your car. I had autocrossed for several years, and nothing has helped me more on the track or on the road. Learning YOUR car and how it handles and reacts is critical.

[matthewAPM]

Yeah, its not about what car you are running. Its about how you can control your car. I had autocrossed for several years, and nothing has helped me more on the track or on the road. Learning YOUR car and how it handles and reacts is critical.

Yep. I tell everyone that. People say "its just a bunch of cones". You will learn more in one autocross event then you would at 5 trackdays.

I've instructed in a elise before. Great car. But cant wait to drive the exige this weekend.

[Batlground]

Yep. I tell everyone that. People say "its just a bunch of cones". You will learn more in one autocross event then you would at 5 trackdays.

I've instructed in a elise before. Great car. But cant wait to drive the exige this weekend.

100% NOT TRUE

Thats one of those things autox people tell each other so that they feel cool. Ill put my car control up against any of the Atlanta Regions best autox drivers.

AutoX is the most boring thing I have ever done in a car.

Autox is twice as gay as drifting...

Matt

[Mike Lowrey]

100% NOT TRUE

Thats one of those things autox people tell each other so that they feel cool. Ill put my car control up against any of the Atlanta Regions best autox drivers.

AutoX is the most boring thing I have ever done in a car.

Autox is twice as gay as drifting...

Matt

Keep telling yourself that.

Why don't you put your "car control skills" up against the best autox'ers....at Nationals. Put up a top finish, then you can come in here and telk ****. Until then, peddle the BS elsewhere.

[StraightSix]

You will learn more in one autocross event then you would at 5 trackdays.

I respectfully disagree with that, however, I do agree that autocross can teach a lot about car control.

The biggest issue is that the seat time at an autocross is too short for it to be meaningful in a single event. Whereas, the seat time at most track events is longer giving the student more time to focus on technique. It typically takes quite a few autocross events for most newbs to start getting some of the basic techniques.

As an example, I have done maybe a dozen or so autocrosses in the past three years, and have yet to master some of the technique. I still struggle somewhat with threshold braking.

The point is that what most people usually find out in one autocross is that he/she needs to learn much more about car control than what was known prior to the event.

[OneSlow5pt0]

id like to,but not to sure how a automatic would handle autox

[slow_hatch]

Yep. I tell everyone that. People say "its just a bunch of cones". You will learn more in one autocross event then you would at 5 trackdays.

1 AutoX event = 3min seat time. Track day = 2hrs track time. Not to mention your actually getting up to higher speeds closely related to actual road speeds.

Why don't you put your "car control skills" up against the best autox'ers....at Nationals. Put up a top finish, then you can come in here and telk ****. Until then, peddle the BS elsewhere.

But at the end of the day you were still drving around a parking lot barely getting into 3rd gear. Its just a substitution for a REAL race track.

[redrumracer]

id like to,but not to sure how a automatic would handle autox

it would be fine just dont put it in od.

[yudalicious]

I learned way more in my first session at my first ever track day than I did the whole day at my first scca autoX... everything happened way too fast and of course, having 4 runs that total less than 4 minutes in a day also makes it hard to learn. Another thing I noticed was that DEs tend to be more beginner friendly, some organizers really go out of their way to make sure you are having fun and learning if it's your first time... and I actually think while autcrosses have lower one time cost, in the long run $/time spent driving wise, DEs win.... of course ymmv

I've heard of independent clubs hosting autoXs where you can get much more than just 4 runs in, but I've yet to find one here...

Don't take it as a knock against autocrossers, it's not, just my personal opinion.

[Mike Lowrey]

1 AutoX event = 3min seat time. Track day = 2hrs track time. Not to mention your actually getting up to higher speeds closely related to actual road speeds.



But at the end of the day you were still drving around a parking lot barely getting into 3rd gear. Its just a substitution for a REAL race track.

Since when can you not learn car control skills in 3rd gear or less? That is just stupid.

AutoX:
Yes, you are doing lower speeds, but the sweepers, offsets, slaloms are coming at you faster. Looking ahead, setting up the car quickly come into play more than a typical track day. Why? Because an autox course is very compressed. You don't have that long straight to setup the car for the next corner, you have to do it immediately off the last corner. Small mistakes show up more in an autox.

I enjoy track days and autox. Lately I have been doing more track days than anything, but nobody can say that autox's are "useless", "gay", etc. That is a general statement and it is just a stupid comment.

[Mike Lowrey]

I respectfully disagree with that, however, I do agree that autocross can teach a lot about car control.

The biggest issue is that the seat time at an autocross is too short for it to be meaningful in a single event. Whereas, the seat time at most track events is longer giving the student more time to focus on technique. It typically takes quite a few autocross events for most newbs to start getting some of the basic techniques.

As an example, I have done maybe a dozen or so autocrosses in the past three years, and have yet to master some of the technique. I still struggle somewhat with threshold braking.

The point is that what most people usually find out in one autocross is that he/she needs to learn much more about car control than what was known prior to the event.

I agree, his math is off...lol

One is not better than the other. Alot can be learned from each. The critical item is to have good instruction at either of the events. The problem with most local autox groups is that there is not enough instruction. I was involved in a local group in Jacksonville, FL (Buccaneer region), where there were 5-7 Multi-National Champions at any given autox. I also attended the McKamey autox school years ago. With the proper instruction, an autox event can be extremely helpful for honing your car control skills.

[BlkCD5]

I"ll go when i get everything mechanical up to par.

[Elbow]

Autocross is not that easy to win. To the guy saying he is a bad ass at it, go on out and prove your mad tyght driving technique lol. I think doing autocross helps with road racing. Teaches looking ahead and stuff, small techniques that help. I don't really want to go into it, I know I am 10x faster on a road course then autocross and have been driving autocross since I was 15. It's a different type of driving, but can be related.

[matthewAPM]

Batlground, Come to the next autocross event, im sure you will beat me. I mean im just a dumb 18 year old kid. How could you lose?

[Elbow]

^True, he is slow, always runs slowest times of the day.

[Cool Cat Racing]

Come on down to a Mid GA region event. We usually run 8 runs, bring whatever you want and you probably won't take TOD. The year I was running my miata I took TOD nearly every race and ran a few national tour events as well. Not to say I'm fast, I wasn't last at the NT events but I was far from the top. We've got a few guys that run pretty fast now that normally handle the TOD. I firmly believe each form has its merits. If you have no idea what you're doing then you do not need to learn at 80+mph. I ran faster than that at many of the NT events, I regularly topped out third in some of the straights and slight sweepers. Autocross provides a place for people who don't know how to control their car to learn without hitting anything. If you can autocross well then you will be much better on a road course but not necessarily the other way around. The dynamics are different and what you learn depends on your skill and your instruction. Its hard to learn at an autocross if you're only spending a few minutes per day running. I've done my time autocrossing and its fun but nothing like real track time. Either way the first thing you will learn when you venture into either is how little you really know. If you've never run an autocross or a track day you are not near as good at car control or racing as you think you are. As for running a slow car, I run my saturn all the time with NASA and its a stock motor and stock suspension. If you're using the fact you have a slow car as an excuse you need to find a better one. I've seen plenty of piss slow cars out there running. Hell one of the NASA workers rented an Aveo to run when his car wasn't ready. Not much is worse than that. lol

[AnthonyF]

Im a straight line driver, well...I was kinda condemned that way due to having a car that couldnt handle (mustang). With my truck i want to AutoX it sooo bad! I've heard nothing but good things about how it can handle.

Both Events, track days and autox have there pros and cons. Obviously the big difference is the speed. I dont believe there is a BETTER of the 2. JUst attend both and BOOM, no argument. You've almost everything you need.

-Ant.

[matthewAPM]

Come on down to a Mid GA region event. We usually run 8 runs, bring whatever you want and you probably won't take TOD. The year I was running my miata I took TOD nearly every race and ran a few national tour events as well. Not to say I'm fast, I wasn't last at the NT events but I was far from the top. We've got a few guys that run pretty fast now that normally handle the TOD. I firmly believe each form has its merits. If you have no idea what you're doing then you do not need to learn at 80+mph. I ran faster than that at many of the NT events, I regularly topped out third in some of the straights and slight sweepers. Autocross provides a place for people who don't know how to control their car to learn without hitting anything. If you can autocross well then you will be much better on a road course but not necessarily the other way around. The dynamics are different and what you learn depends on your skill and your instruction. Its hard to learn at an autocross if you're only spending a few minutes per day running. I've done my time autocrossing and its fun but nothing like real track time. Either way the first thing you will learn when you venture into either is how little you really know. If you've never run an autocross or a track day you are not near as good at car control or racing as you think you are. As for running a slow car, I run my saturn all the time with NASA and its a stock motor and stock suspension. If you're using the fact you have a slow car as an excuse you need to find a better one. I've seen plenty of piss slow cars out there running. Hell one of the NASA workers rented an Aveo to run when his car wasn't ready. Not much is worse than that. lol

What class you run in with your miata? I ran CSP in the atlanta region. Really missed the car. Sold it and bought a full built STS civic...

Very true about autocross --> road racing. You learn quick reactions to changes in the car which help a TON on the track when everything is at a "slower" pace