Little LS1 meet

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

it's no bandwagon. ls1 is a great engine that fits in almost anything you want to put it in, in addition to having endless aftermarket support. Rx7 is an amazing automobile that just so happened to come with a boat anchor under the hood. Joining these 2 glorious automotive creations together just seems like the right thing to do. ls1 is probably the most popular and well rounded engine on the market, if it is a "bandwagon", get used to it, because people are gonna be putting ls1s in pretty much any and everything for years to come. i mean........... come on!!!!
http://image.automotive.com/f/images...old_engine.jpg
even the ford guys cant resist.



When my sr20 kicks the bucket, i'll be going to an ls1 myself.

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i can see you are mis informed! and have only read or heard of the troubles of rotary cars. The rotary motor is like no other, and just a great experience to drive! A ls1 swap makes sense in a 240 because LS motors are so cheap compared to the overpriced SR right now. Of course rotary have their issues especially in their early years, The renesis had its issues also, but it was from silly minor problems that caused bigger problems like the starter being too small, and causing the cars to flood because it would barely start the car, and a flawed water pump design. Those issues were no problems with the renesis its self just problems, that could cripple any motor from the factory. nothing wrong with the ls1 tho!!

if you cant appreciate the rotary, i feel sorry for you!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hEe...feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcyvTuoslAA

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u...K_2008/LS1.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Di9YqVw9kpYsuA

This doesn't belong, people are talking rotary swap for a V8, not swapping a very low HP flat 4 for a V8. That makes sense. Rotaries aren't lousy motors.

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Originally Posted by JITB

i can see you are mis informed! and have only read or heard of the troubles of rotary cars. The rotary motor is like no other, and just a great experience to drive! A ls1 swap makes sense in a 240 because LS motors are so cheap compared to the overpriced SR right now. Of course rotary have their issues especially in their early years, The renesis had its issues also, but it was from silly minor problems that caused bigger problems like the starter being too small, and causing the cars to flood because it would barely start the car, and a flawed water pump design. Those issues were no problems with the renesis its self just problems, that could cripple any motor from the factory. nothing wrong with the ls1 tho!!

if you cant appreciate the rotary, i feel sorry for you!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hEeose1-E&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcyvTuoslAA

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Overpriced SR??? whaaaa???? SRs practically fall out of gumball machines. I just stubbed my toe on one when i walked my dog.

If an ls1 swap makes sense in a 240, then its a no brainer in any rotary powered vehicle, because almost every engine that was ever put in a 240 or any other Nissan is a better platform than a rotary. i ***appreciate*** rotaries, theyre neat as shit and looking in an engine bay to see something the size of spare tire make power is cool.... however, anything that can be done with a rotary can be done cheaper, easier and with more reliability with almost any other platform.

The proof is in the pudding. Rotary will most likely be completely removed from production in the next 5 years... if that long.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7012/...94mazdarx7.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6862/p10104650ie.jpg

I think this is funny:

RX8: 3000 lb car + 1.3 liter engine = 16/22 mpg
Trans Am: 3700 lb car + 5.7 liter engine = 20/30 mpg

And I think we all know which one is faster and has no problems.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

I think this is funny:

RX8: 3000 lb car + 1.3 liter engine = 16/22 mpg
Trans Am: 3700 lb car + 5.7 liter engine = 20/30 mpg

And I think we all know which one is faster and has no problems.

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it's a rotary thing, you wouldnt understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Omugb2mfNk&feature=player_detailpage

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

It's very easy to tell the difference between a rotary engine and a piston engine rx7 without even looking under the hood. I'll show you how.......

Rotary rx7
http://s3-media2.px.yelpcdn.com/bpho...UYFxwiYg/l.jpg

v8 rx7
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/Pics/RX7/RX7-9.jpg

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:lmfao: Thread winner.

Seriously though, I can definitely respect rotary engines, but you folks that are getting your panties in a wad about the LS1 swap are ridiculous. OH NOES, HE SULLIED THE SANCTITY OF THE ALL MIGHTY MAZDA NAME!!!

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

http://s3-media2.px.yelpcdn.com/bpho...UYFxwiYg/l.jpg

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What's up with the jacked up fenders and quarter panels. Makes it look like a kit car.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Overpriced SR??? whaaaa???? SRs practically fall out of gumball machines. I just stubbed my toe on one when i walked my dog.

If an ls1 swap makes sense in a 240, then its a no brainer in any rotary powered vehicle, because almost every engine that was ever put in a 240 or any other Nissan is a better platform than a rotary. i ***appreciate*** rotaries, theyre neat as shit and looking in an engine bay to see something the size of spare tire make power is cool.... however, anything that can be done with a rotary can be done cheaper, easier and with more reliability with almost any other platform.

The proof is in the pudding. Rotary will most likely be completely removed from production in the next 5 years... if that long.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7012/...94mazdarx7.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6862/p10104650ie.jpg

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I meant the price for a sr you can put a ls1 in a 240 easily.. there are too many objections for me to get them all.

Rotaries are meant to do one thing and that is peform they truly are not as unreliable as the internet proclaims them to be!

And they are being put out of production bc the 8 is out of production, but there will be a rx car in the future mazda has made that clear!

And no anything done in a rotary cannot! Be done in much other motors for cheaper. Any car with a high powered rotary is already at a 100lb advantage over anything piston!

But make no mistake this coming from a person that says, I wouldn't get a fd because I could not afford to keep it running now...lol


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I'm not sure what crack head you're buying your LS1s, T56s, and swap kits from, but please give me his info.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

I'm not sure what crack head you're buying your LS1s, T56s, and swap kits from, but please give me his info.

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get a 4.8 or a 5.3, all day from used engine places from 400$ and up, find a t56 for around a 1000-1500$, im sure you will spend more on a ls1 swap just because, but the price for a ls1 instead of a sr in a 240 is more than reasonable.

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Originally Posted by JITB

get a 4.8 or a 5.3, all day from used engine places from 400$ and up, find a t56 for around a 1000-1500$, im sure you will spend more on a ls1 swap just because, but the price for a ls1 instead of a sr in a 240 is more than reasonable.

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I spent $900 w/o a core on my all aluminum 5.3. Trying to compare an iron block 5.3 to an LS1 isn't the same to me... it may be the same design, but it's far from the same engine. By the time you get the LS1 swap in and running, you could've done an SR swap with a bigger turbo, making the same HP numbers, but less tq.

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Originally Posted by JITB

get a 4.8 or a 5.3, all day from used engine places from 400$ and up, find a t56 for around a 1000-1500$, im sure you will spend more on a ls1 swap just because, but the price for a ls1 instead of a sr in a 240 is more than reasonable.

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Sr20 avg cost for a complete swap about $1500-2500 for a stock drop in.
LS1 avg cost for a complete swap $5500-6000 + $1000-1500 for hardware if you cant fab + cost of fab exhaust.

dollar vs dollar theyre about the same id say, for the difference in cost, you can build a sr20 to match power with a ls1 mild/stock swap. ls1 gonna drop more panties though.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Sr20 avg cost for a complete swap about $1500-2500 for a stock drop in.
LS1 avg cost for a complete swap $5500-6000 + $1000-1500 for hardware if you cant fab + cost of fab exhaust.

dollar vs dollar theyre about the same id say, for the difference in cost, you can build a sr20 to match power with a ls1 mild/stock swap. ls1 gonna drop more panties though.

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from what ive seen and heard a ls1 swap is alot easier these days, alot of the fab stuff can be done by the basic of welders!

i have had 2 ls1 swaped rx7s. to me it is the only way to go, there is something about having that kinda power with a completely stock motor. shure you can build a 4000 hp rotery but how usable is that going to b as a real car and not just bragging rights, i can drive my fd every day without a problem and if for some reason if anything ever were to break i can run down to the local napa and get the parts to fix it.... try and find rotery parts in south ga, hell try and find someone who even knows what a rotery even is...... you say wankle and people think you are thalkin about a reproductive body part.

current swap
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...820_133900.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...801_142618.jpg

first swap
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...0830091557.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...830091556a.jpg
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I was trying like hell to get that red FC (if it's the one off Zilvia). lol

Its posible. I sold it to a guy in tampa 2 years ago. Is the black fd from warner robins area?

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I think the LS1 guy is missing the point.

To some people, it's not about horsepower or torque numbers. It's the sound, powerband, throttle response, and the familiarity of the engine in general.

I, for one, would never trade my engine for a LS1. My engine has it's own merits that I appreciate. To me, a high performance inline-6 is the only way to go in my application.

I respect the LS1 for it's bang for the buck value, but that does not mean it is for everyone.

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Originally Posted by badassf4i

you say wankle and people think you are thalkin about a reproductive body part.

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LOLOL

Im not saying a ls1 is gods gift to cars, just for me it is way more practical to use. It depends what u plan to do with a car as to what motor to go with. I have never owned a rotery but im not against owning one either. Funny how rwd aplications get hell for motor swaps but fwd is crap unless it has a motor swap....

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Originally Posted by badassf4i

Im not saying a ls1 is gods gift to cars, just for me it is way more practical to use. It depends what u plan to do with a car as to what motor to go with. I have never owned a rotery but im not against owning one either. Funny how rwd aplications get hell for motor swaps but fwd is crap unless it has a motor swap....

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there is the problem you never owned one!! :) I cant deny a ls swapped fd, it seems to be a perfect combo for lasting reliability and maybe the "easy way" to give the rx some power! Like logan said, there is nothign like a rotary power band, and the smooth rev all the way to 10k is addictive!

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Originally Posted by JITB

there is the problem you never owned one!! :) I cant deny a ls swapped fd, it seems to be a perfect combo for lasting reliability and maybe the "easy way" to give the rx some power! Like logan said, there is nothign like a rotary power band, and the smooth rev all the way to 10k is addictive!

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S2000 provides the same driving experience and doesnt break down @ 25k miles or need any special treatment. You could beat on your s2k all day every day and it would still last 5 times as long as a rotary while doing everything a rotary can do. People also act like rotaries leave the lot spinning 10k rpm... that is NOT the case. A stock FD Rx7 redlines where? 7500? I've had 302s that went close to 9k rpm that werent even that serious of builds. It's not 1980 anymore, lots of engines can be made to spin high rpm.

For sound alone............ NOTHING!!!!!! beats the small block ford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBq0etdllDU&feature=player_detailpage

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

S2000 provides the same driving experience and doesnt break down @ 25k miles or need any special treatment. You could beat on your s2k all day every day and it would still last 5 times as long as a rotary while doing everything a rotary can do. People also act like rotaries leave the lot spinning 10k rpm... that is NOT the case. A stock FD Rx7 redlines where? 7500? I've had 302s that went close to 9k rpm that werent even that serious of builds. It's not 1980 anymore, lots of engines can be made to spin high rpm.

For sound alone............ NOTHING!!!!!! beats the small block ford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBq0etdllDU&feature=player_detailpage

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Rx8s aren't near as twitchy as a s2k, and you can beat on a rx8 just as much, and that is what they need in order to survive, and proper maintenance as with any rotary, that statement alone from you makes me think you are going off what you have heard about rotary motors rather than factual info. And rx8s come from the lot @ 9k rpm, and 90% of slightly modified rx cars will take all of 9k with no hesitation. Know one said you could not build anything to do anything. But there is a totally different driving experience in a rotary powered vehicle, especially in a lightweight vehicle.

A rotary needs no special treatment either, its biggest enemy is heat..that's just from its design.

Either way give me a properly built 20b in anything over a ls motor anyday..that's just my personal choice!

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All I'm gonna say is I'm glad someone else believes Ford makes the best sounding v8.

Best sounding pieces of shit ever!

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Originally Posted by JITB

Rx8s aren't near as twitchy as a s2k, and you can beat on a rx8 just as much, and that is what they need in order to survive, and proper maintenance as with any rotary, that statement alone from you makes me think you are going off what you have heard about rotary motors rather than factual info. And rx8s come from the lot @ 9k rpm, and 90% of slightly modified rx cars will take all of 9k with no hesitation. Know one said you could not build anything to do anything. But there is a totally different driving experience in a rotary powered vehicle, especially in a lightweight vehicle.

A rotary needs no special treatment either, its biggest enemy is heat..that's just from its design.

Either way give me a properly built 20b in anything over a ls motor anyday..that's just my personal choice!

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Adding oil on a regular basis and revving your car when starting or stopping it is special treatment. Being advised not to take short trips or start and stop your vehicle is special treatment. If you go to a Mazda dealer they will warn you about how to start and stop the car. You do realize we're arguing the reliability of an engine that was recalled right? you do know about 20% of Rx8s probably have their original engines right? When those 100k engine replacements run out, the market is gonna be flooded with rx8 rollers. I might even buy one myself............................................ ........... and put an ls1 in it.

I used to own an s2000, my roommate owned an rx8. The performance was night and day, Rx8 feels like a junk pile compared to an s2k. Rx8 has the temper of a Lamborghini and the performance of a Camry. Sure the rx8 handles well, but it doesnt go fast enough to make you give a shit.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

Best sounding pieces of shit ever!

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Now you and i cant be friends, dem be fighting words.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Now you and i cant be friends, dem be fighting words.

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<3

I still respect the new 5.0... lol.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

Best sounding pieces of shit ever!

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hmmm... :thinking:

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Adding oil on a regular basis and revving your car when starting or stopping it is special treatment. Being advised not to take short trips or start and stop your vehicle is special treatment. If you go to a Mazda dealer they will warn you about how to start and stop the car. You do realize we're arguing the reliability of an engine that was recalled right? you do know about 20% of Rx8s probably have their original engines right? When those 100k engine replacements run out, the market is gonna be flooded with rx8 rollers. I might even buy one myself............................................ ........... and put an ls1 in it.

I used to own an s2000, my roommate owned an rx8. The performance was night and day, Rx8 feels like a junk pile compared to an s2k. Rx8 has the temper of a Lamborghini and the performance of a Camry. Sure the rx8 handles well, but it doesnt go fast enough to make you give a shit.

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im not arguing anything about reliability, im debating about the performance and possibility. The rx8's issues were pre 2006, and were taken care of in the, it was a serious design flaw with alot of small things that just doomed the renesis from the start, and Mazda took care of the issue. I am just statiing how i feel about the rotaries, dont be a girl check your oil once a week, and drive hard.. is that a hard of a task to do! ! Give me a properly built wankel anyday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Oliq1znfk&feature=related

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Originally Posted by alpine_aw11

All I'm gonna say is I'm glad someone else believes Ford makes the best sounding v8.

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:cough: Ford GT :cough:

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The rotary debate is 100% opinionated and is only relative to what the person wants. I personally would also take a rotary. Yes, they require some minor things to keep them running right say a V8 doesn't, but who cares? I am sure an LS is a great everyday engine, not knocking it, but performance wise I'd take a rotary all day. Like people have said, it's not all about brute power, an S2000 and a rotary powered car are nothing alike despite revving high. As for rotaries being unreliable I find that so amusing, the RX-8 had its issues sure, but the engines when taken care of properly are fairly bulletproof. Many rotary owners don't know or don't care to take care of them correctly, they HAVE to be abused, hard parkers and rice boys who buy FDs and what not and just cruise around and show them off in parking lots give rotaries a bad name. Use and abuse them and they will last forever. (Sort of. lol)

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Originally Posted by simontibbett

The rotary debate is 100% opinionated and is only relative to what the person wants. I personally would also take a rotary. Yes, they require some minor things to keep them running right say a V8 doesn't, but who cares? I am sure an LS is a great everyday engine, not knocking it, but performance wise I'd take a rotary all day. Like people have said, it's not all about brute power, an S2000 and a rotary powered car are nothing alike despite revving high. As for rotaries being unreliable I find that so amusing, the RX-8 had its issues sure, but the engines when taken care of properly are fairly bulletproof. Many rotary owners don't know or don't care to take care of them correctly, they HAVE to be abused, hard parkers and rice boys who buy FDs and what not and just cruise around and show them off in parking lots give rotaries a bad name. Use and abuse them and they will last forever. (Sort of. lol)

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Piston rings heat and expand, cool and shrink, heat and expand, cool and shrink.... every day. Nothing with an apex seal in it will ever be as reliable as something with a piston in. Rotary had success on the race track because that environment doesnt expose the obvious flaws in the engine that the consumer market clearly did. If you start your rotary up and leave it running, set your alarm clock for about 3AM, wake up, top its gas an oil off and go back to sleep, yeah... it will probably last forever. Will it last the length of a race? sure... will it last a 24 hour race? sure... will it last driving to work and back for a year.......

ask almost every rx8 owner who is on their 2nd... 3rd..... 4th engines without cracking 100k miles. Rotary is a novelty engine, it has no place in the consumer market. This is not an insult........... The engine in John Force's funny car would break down under the same circumstances.... it is what it is. What i find amusing is the type of person that usually comes to the aid of the rotary, the weekend warriors, people who need their car to not only drive them to work, but drive them to the race track, race... drive them home and then back to work the next morning. For those people.......... most people......... rotary is not for you.

Clearly the people that matter (Car manufacturers) agree with me. The rotary will die with the rx8 sometime in the next 5 years and i doubt any other auto maker will ever put this engine in service ever again.

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Originally Posted by Bacon

The LS1 (or any Chevy performance motor for that fact) is without a doubt an awesome power maker; as with the RX7 being an outstanding platform. I just think its stupid to go outside the original manufacturing company to source more power.

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I think that is the catch. People have been talking about reliability not performance. My buddies upgrade was to have a dependable car. His is a totally stock motor.

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Originally Posted by Pearlwhitesh

I think that is the catch. People have been talking about reliability not performance. My buddies upgrade was to have a dependable car. His is a totally stock motor.

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Not sure how long it will be stock.
I love my LS1, but if I would have heard some 20b cars before the swap, I would have put an NA 20b in it just for the sounds and awesomeness.