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    Quote Originally Posted by Main Stream
    This buggy is pretty cool. I have seen it in action at Morris Mtn in AL. She is a very good driver and it's fun to watch a 8yr old climb stuff that grown men can't. I would love to build something like this for my kids.

    Also, does anybody know why everyone likes to use Honda motors when they build buggys like this? Reps to those who know.
    the engine is reverse rotation... that means you can put it in a rear engine configuration and still run the axles in a traditional manner and not be required to flip the axles so they run in "reverse rotation"... basically if i put a toyota engine in her buggy like it is there would be 4 reverse gears and one forward, so to correct that i would need to turn the axles upside down so that they would spin backwards, changing it back to 4 forward gears and one reverse... the downside to that is that it will run on the coast side of the ring and pinion, which is weaker... bottom line, hondas are one of the few, if not the only engine that spins in reverse... and it keeps it simple to build a rear engine buggy... hope this isnt to confusing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggbody
    the engine is reverse rotation... that means you can put it in a rear engine configuration and still run the axles in a traditional manner and not be required to flip the axles so they run in "reverse rotation"... basically if i put a toyota engine in her buggy like it is there would be 4 reverse gears and one forward, so to correct that i would need to turn the axles upside down so that they would spin backwards, changing it back to 4 forward gears and one reverse... the downside to that is that it will run on the coast side of the ring and pinion, which is weaker... bottom line, hondas are one of the few, if not the only engine that spins in reverse... and it keeps it simple to build a rear engine buggy... hope this isnt to confusing...
    learn something new every day, quality tidbit of information right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggbody
    the engine is reverse rotation... that means you can put it in a rear engine configuration and still run the axles in a traditional manner and not be required to flip the axles so they run in "reverse rotation"... basically if i put a toyota engine in her buggy like it is there would be 4 reverse gears and one forward, so to correct that i would need to turn the axles upside down so that they would spin backwards, changing it back to 4 forward gears and one reverse... the downside to that is that it will run on the coast side of the ring and pinion, which is weaker... bottom line, hondas are one of the few, if not the only engine that spins in reverse... and it keeps it simple to build a rear engine buggy... hope this isnt to confusing...
    Why not just turn the engine around? Nothing dictates which way the intake manifold or exhaust should be, especially with a custom tube chassis. Plus when using an auto transmission there are no linkage issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    Why not just turn the engine around? Nothing dictates which way the intake manifold or exhaust should be, especially with a custom tube chassis. Plus when using an auto transmission there are no linkage issues...
    that forces you to find axles w/ both differentials on the drivers side, which really dont exist... the samurai axles both have passengers drop diffs... also you are offsetting the engine ALOT to the front just so you can have a decent lenght rear driveshaft... technically you are correct, however practically it wont work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggbody
    that forces you to find axles w/ both differentials on the drivers side, which really dont exist... the samurai axles both have passengers drop diffs... also you are offsetting the engine ALOT to the front just so you can have a decent lenght rear driveshaft... technically you are correct, however practically it wont work...
    ohh, I think I know what you did now. So you're running drive shafts straight from the transmission to the front and rear? For some reason I was thinking you had a transfer case tucked away and only used one output from the transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    ohh, I think I know what you did now. So you're running drive shafts straight from the transmission to the front and rear? For some reason I was thinking you had a transfer case tucked away and only used one output from the transmission.
    zactly... no t-case, driveshafts come strait out of the transaxle... effectively 4 lo all the time... max speed about 50-55mph on the rev limiter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by draggbody
    zactly... no t-case, driveshafts come strait out of the transaxle... effectively 4 lo all the time... max speed about 50-55mph on the rev limiter...
    I figured you knew about the reverse rotation I just didn't think anyone else would know that.

    Also, since the honda tranny already has a finaldrive in it and you are running that to axles that have finaldrives in them then the gear reduction is insane. Think about it people the tranny is setup to turn axles that are directly to the wheels. He is running that to axles with another 5.13to1 ratio. Do you know what the crawl ratio is on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Main Stream
    I figured you knew about the reverse rotation I just didn't think anyone else would know that.

    Also, since the honda tranny already has a finaldrive in it and you are running that to axles that have finaldrives in them then the gear reduction is insane. Think about it people the tranny is setup to turn axles that are directly to the wheels. He is running that to axles with another 5.13to1 ratio. Do you know what the crawl ratio is on this?
    acctually i still have the 3.73:1 in the axles... the tires are only 31s, so i could easily go to a lower ratio for a larger tire... i think i figured the ratio at about 40:1 plus the mechanical advantage of the torque converter... its low, but she is able to comfortably run 40+ mph in overdrive... she likes going fast...

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