New Pump Gas Record Evo - 583 whp/430 ft lbs

[darkstar6069]

For those of you that don't get on evolutionm.net here it is. He is running the HTA35r from Buschur. Peter's previous record was 547whp/398 ft lbs.

583 whp/430 ft lbs
20 psi was reached at 4727 rpm
Peak boost was 30.90 psi
Boost at 8,000 rpm was 30.02
Average AFR's were 11.4:1
Air intake temps:57.20 degrees

So Peter's car gained 36 whp and 32 ft lbs of torque.

A side note to this. The timing curve was NOT CHANGED AT ALL. The timing curve stayed exactly the same through all the testing. Knock counts in the mid range actually dropped just a little because the peak torque now is happening a little later than with the stock ported intake.

Very impressive gains. Very impressive pump gas numbers. Peter's car weighs 2620 with no driver. This is easily a 9 second pump gas daily driver.

Also note, this is on BP93 octane that was bought on the way here. NO ALCOHOL.

[EmminoDaGreat]

Air intake temps:57.20 degrees

i call bull**** on no "adders"

[Batlground]

Air intake temps:57.20 degrees

i call bull**** on no "adders"

+1

thats pure marketing bull s h i t

30psi, on pump gas, go for it, let me know how many pieces of piston you pull from the oil pan

[keevo54]

+1

thats pure marketing bull s h i t

30psi, on pump gas, go for it, let me know how many pieces of piston you pull from the oil pan

Good tuning

[Batlground]

Good tuning

LOL

How many 600whp cars have you tuned? I dont care if GOD himself descended from the heavens to tune this evo, you cant CHANGE THE LAW OF PHYSICS.

PHYSICS > THE ALMIGHTY

The turbo is NOT a 35R, and the numbers are bogus. At least on 93 octane in my personal opinion. I think something is being left out

[Batlground]

Again, all you saying with GREAT TUNING it makes these numbers DONT KNOW HOW TO TUNE A CAR OR UNDERSTAND HOW TO TUNE A CAR.

YOU CANNOT RUN 30psi ON PUMP GAS.

Ok, you can, but you would have to run a,most NO TIMING, which means 1 of 2 things happen

1) THe car has EGTs higher than the sun(detonation)
2) IT WONT MAKE ANY POWER WITH NO TIMING

anything over the threshhold of 22psi on PUMP GAS is detonation, PERIOD.

YOU CANNOT RUN A CAR AT 30PSI on a 2.0 or 2.1 L with a 42R and make that kinda power ON PUMP GAS LET ALONE A 35R as they claim.

ITS NO POSSIBLE, PERIOD.

Maybe its his race car an he replaces the motor ever weekend, then i buy that.

Furthermore, Bushurs done good things, but that doesnt allow him to bend the LAWS OF PHYSICS.

[On_Her_Face]

that car looks sick though

[Tracy]

I think my evo made 670 on pump and methanol. I wonder what it made on pump if that is the record.

I always wanted a white Evo instead of silver

[Nick Jeezy]

that thing is nice. i wish i had one.

[c_riley]

that thing is nice as hell. congrats on the record.

[Batlground]

a 35R isnt big enough to make 550whp on pump gas, not on a 2.0.

MAYBE a Supra.

If this is some 2.3L stroker motor with higher compression, etc, MAYBE id believe that

[darkstar6069]

Yeah it's just a built 2.0L from buschur

[Sol-Badguy]

Black doors in one picture? I'll pass.

I still don't believe the 30psi on pump..

[darkstar6069]

Black doors in one picture? I'll pass.

I still don't believe the 30psi on pump..

I agree, but here's a vid where the car supposedly made 615 on pump gas. I'm confused on how its possible to make that much power on pump gas without meth/alcohol without detonation.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=muC_1V-Vvn8

[Ronsam2006]

I know, whats up with the doors on pics 1 and 3?

[darkstar6069]

I know, whats up with the doors on pics 1 and 3?

haha I just noticed that. I guess that's as they were installing them? I dunno

[J-ROCK]

car does look sick!

[Dracc]

hmmm... interesting if i do say so myself

[AnclyT]

that evo looks dope!

[stuntman]

Thanks for adding my find paul lol! I think it is possible with great tuning! Come on now you should all know buschur is a genius!! The Buschur Bad Bish machine did drive from Long Island to OH back to LI then over to CT back to LI and then back to CT to race and it was ready in race form and won the races due to the Sharkbite2000's car not being ready to race also pete drove the car every were he went to get tuned and race at. I think gas mpg was 33 traveling at the speed of 70-80mph. It has numerous videos of the guy dynoing his car at Dyno Flash here is the thread for more reference !!http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=326280
-Aubrey

[darkstar6069]

I found this wtf are you talking about lol jk

[TallGuy]

nice

[stuntman]

come on paul you must not know the power of buschur :boobies: R u doubting?
-Aubrey

[stuntman]

Also the record is 618whp bro!
-Aubrey

[darkstar6069]

Yeah well they said 583 at first. And no I'm not doubting the power of buschur... well kinda but I dont know. I just don't see how his motor doesn't detonate.

[Axix23]

wow, thats 1 sick-ass evo...

[DESTRO_91]

Damn! Those are crazy numbers. Ill azz ride, man.

[stuntman]

hahahaha buschur ftw +1!
-Aubrey

[MIKE.P]

here is the vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=muC_1V-Vvn8

[Krappy]

uhh whats wrong with the doors? they're just CF...

[Ronsam2006]

uhh whats wrong with the doors? they're just CF...

Nothing is wrong with the doors, its just that in pic 1, the doors are white, then in pic 3, the doors are CF. If you watched the interview, he says it took him like three or six hours to put all the doors on. IDK...

[David Buschu]

Hi guys,

I saw a link to this thread as it seems there are some doubters

This car is bad ass, no doubt. 2660 pounds without driver and did put down 580 whp on our Mustang Dyno on STRAIGHT 93 octane, nothing else. The car was driven with that exact tune in it (this is his street tune) from our shop in Wakeman, Ohio back to New Jersey, 7 hours. The car also knocked out 33 mpg cruising at 68 mph on the way back.

He got back and saw another video on the internet of another car that put down 435 on pump gas on ISC's Dynojet. He wanted to get a Dynojet number anyway so he drove over there and dyno his car. BTW, his name is Peter Rucano. Anyway, once again with no changes he drove 2 hours to CT and put the car on the Dynojet on nothing but 93 octane. 612, 615 and 617.8 whp, 3 dyno pulls in a row. There is a video posted and another of his going out for a street race with the car filling it up at a local station with 93 on the way there.

It is VERY possible to run 30 psi on pump gas, actually it really isn't even difficult to be honest. My brothers car is running 33 psi and is on a very small turbo which makes it more difficult.

I'm actually surprised how many people find it so hard to believe. It's all about the parts combination and tuning, if you have that right..........no problems.

Anyone claiming its "going to blow up" is incorrect. This particular car has been running around for about year now, previously it made 540 on 93 octane. The change of the intake manifold a week or so ago allowed us to get it to the 580 on the same 93 octane.

Have a good day.

David Buschur
President
Buschur Racing, Inc.

[Vteckidd]

So what makes this EVO motor different than any other internal combustion engine?

I mean, enlighten us all as to why this evo can run 30psi on 93 octane and make gobs of power when 99% of the TUNERs in the world will tell you its NOT POSSIBLE.

How can you keep 68 degree intake air temps with 93 OCTANE and 30 PSI OF BOOST?

Please, tell me what i have been doing wrong the last 6 years

[David Buschu]

I don't want to start an arguement but I am sure this will.

First it seems as though you may be doing quite a few things wrong as it seems some of your statements are off by quite a bit.

First, 68 degree intake air temps have nothing to do with the octane or tuning. It's the intercooler that regulates the intake air temps. The car has our LARGE Race FMIC on it. Next, you are correct in what you said, "22psi on a stock turbo is not the same as 30-33psi on a 35R" but not in the way you meant it. Running 30 psi on a GT35r is MUCH easier to do than trying to run high boost on a stock turbo. The larger the turbine wheel the easier it is to run high boost on low octane and the GT35r compressor wheel is much more efficient than a stock turbo pushing 22 psi, this means the turbo outlet temps are cooler with a larger more efficient compressor wheel too, making it easier to run high boost on pump gas.

I would gladly open our shop to anyone who doubts this is possible. We could make a video out of it. I'll drain the tank, fill it with 93, let everyone look the car over for hidden alky or other fuel and then dyno it and show it's possible. Nothing to it.

I only wish I knew 2 years ago what I know now about all this. When we ran the Car and Driver Super Four Challenge I'd have LOVED to had this knowledge. We'd have destroyed the entire field by seconds rather than finishing 3rd overall.

Also, whoever said the new EVOX runs 24 psi from the factory, you are correct. It's very close to that. We just picked one up and are modifying it now, I was shocked to see 23.5 psi come up on a stock car. Very impressive indeed.

David Buschur

[Batlground]

I don't want to start an arguement but I am sure this will.


First, 68 degree intake air temps have nothing to do with the octane or tuning. It's the intercooler that regulates the intake air temps. The car has our LARGE Race FMIC on it.

I will disagree, i dont see how you can see sub 70 degree intake air temperature on a car on NORMAL OCTANE FUEL ALONE with 30PSI making 600whp. Even if your intercooler is that much better than a Garrett or Spearco, it doesnt mean you can keep INTAKE TEMPERATURE that cool. I mean, typical IATs on cars with that power level are between 100-120

Next, you are correct in what you said, "22psi on a stock turbo is not the same as 30-33psi on a 35R" but not in the way you meant it. Running 30 psi on a GT35r is MUCH easier to do than trying to run high boost on a stock turbo. The larger the turbine wheel the easier it is to run high boost on low octane and the GT35r compressor wheel is much more efficient than a stock turbo pushing 22 psi, this means the turbo outlet temps are cooler with a larger more efficient compressor wheel too, making it easier to run high boost on pump gas.


David Buschur

Thats like saying its easier to run high compression on an NA motor because the engine breathes better. So i can run 16:1 compression on the street as long as my engine is efficient enough

So you are saying that if i have a big enough turbo that i can run higher boost on pump gas?

So the bigger the turbo the less octane you need to make power?

I guess i need to tell all my customers to run 42Rs and 30PSI on all their motors because that is safer than 30PSI on a T25 on pump gas.

If anything, a larger turbo should make it HARDER to run on pump gas.

You are stuffing MORE air into the motor. Which means you will need more fuel, which means the window for error is smaller than on a stock setup.

I mean 30psi on a stock turbo may make 400whp, on a 35R 600-650 is what people make.

You are telling me that 650 on pump gas is SAFER than 400whp on pump gas? just because the turbo is more efficient?

I dunno, makes ZERO sense

[David Buschu]

One more thing, the EVO is different than every other internal combustion engine but is different that most. I would think that running 30 psi on a Supra engine would be pretty easy too. I've never pushed one that hard, I have tuned a few. I know the last one I did 22-23 psi was easy and that's all the owner wanted. Looking at the map and logs from it now I don't see a reason why that Supra couldn't have run 30 psi on 93-94 octane fuel.

David Buschur

[Vteckidd]

One more thing, the EVO is different than every other internal combustion engine but is different that most. I would think that running 30 psi on a Supra engine would be pretty easy too. I've never pushed one that hard, I have tuned a few. I know the last one I did 22-23 psi was easy and that's all the owner wanted. Looking at the map and logs from it now I don't see a reason why that Supra couldn't have run 30 psi on 93-94 octane fuel.

David Buschur

I posted on Evo M

I dont mean to dog YOU out, and im not. Im not doign a personal attack or anything like that.

Im merely saying i dont see how its possible.

30PSI on pump gas is , well, insane

[WickedIXMR]

One more thing, the EVO is different than every other internal combustion engine but is different that most. I would think that running 30 psi on a Supra engine would be pretty easy too. I've never pushed one that hard, I have tuned a few. I know the last one I did 22-23 psi was easy and that's all the owner wanted. Looking at the map and logs from it now I don't see a reason why that Supra couldn't have run 30 psi on 93-94 octane fuel.

David Buschur

Dave you are the fu.cking man! Im actually saving up so I can make the drive up there and get a built shortblock from you guys. Cant wait to make the trip out there hopefully it will be soon. One of my buddies Nick mentioned many many good things about you so I already know whos building my evo.

[MongolPup]

****, call out the AMS guys next so we can have more of the best American Evo builders/tuners on here.

[Batlground]

Dave im just trying to have an intelligent discussion. So far all ive heard is:

My parts are superior
My tuning is superior

Thats fine, you are entitled to that. No one is taking away the power you have made.

What i am asking though, is more than "because i said so" answers.

Doug did have some things to say, ill let him chime in i odnt want to speak for him.