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Yes
No
Certain Circumstances
Other (explain)
Abortion
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but keep it civilized
Val for President
Other: Stfu.
I am for it because there are Certain Circumstances for example:
1. Age---- There are too many young people thinking that they are grown want to have kids and they themselves are kids. How is a kid that can't even get a job going to raise a kid??? Parents?
2. Beliefs---- Religion, some people have strict beliefs about kids and marriage
3. Financial Status----- Enough said.....
These are MY MY MY MY opinion... Not intended for anyone else on IA or anywhere else.
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got a question about this one, so religion says kids outside of wedlock is bad but your saying that abortion is better in the eyes of that religions god?Originally Posted by TRINI4LIFE
im just wondering if thats what you are saying with that comment
Val for President
No Basically I was just stating that "some" people are so into their religions beliefs that they would not have kids without being married for example: disgracing their whole family.
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if ANYONE one feels that way then they are disgracing their religion more
Val for President
those are the 4 worst anwsers for pro-choice you could have namedI am for it because there are Certain Circumstances for example:
1. Age---- There are too many young people thinking that they are grown want to have kids and they themselves are kids. How is a kid that can't even get a job going to raise a kid??? Parents?
2. Beliefs---- Religion, some people have strict beliefs about kids and marriage
3. Financial Status----- Enough said.....
These are MY MY MY MY opinion... Not intended for anyone else on IA or anywhere else.
1. They could adopt the child-there are many couples out there that cannot have kids of there own
2. I dont agree that killing an unborn child(a human being) is better then letting them be born and live life
3. there are different options for that one
Once again these are MY opinion.... To answer your choices
1. Yeah they could have but I was reading a post by Paul aka. Admin " There are over 50,000 (or some figure like that) children that are currently in foster care. I would let you do the math on how much it is going to cost our economy to raise each kid. Who is going to be responsible for raising these kids? Us the Tax Payers
2. Agreed with you on this one, BUT. How are they going to live a normal mental life knowing that their parents did care about them enough to keep them?
3. How are they going to raise kids if they 1. Aren’t old enough 2. Doesn’t have a stable home. Just to name a few.
By no means it is a good thing but there are certain circumstances. At first I was like most people here saying that it is wrong but until you have been placed in the situation before you would not have the slightest clue.
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no its not ok.. unless the girl was raped.. then it was not her choice to have sex!
you have unprotected sex.. you deal with std's, babies and so on.. you made your bed no lay in it..
Yeah that was another one of my thoughts as well.
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+1
the main question here i think is
If a women is raped-is it wrong to get an abortion-that is a tough question
i dont have an awnser but I did have a high school teacher that was raped and decided to still have the child. God Bless her-as far as I know they are both doing good and i think she is now engauged...what would you tell your child though who her real dad was-i don't know-that has to be very hard(if you tell her at all?) but I have respect for that women
Wow. No knock on you, but I TOTALLY disagree here. Things like this is why we have kids killing kids and kids killing adults/parents. A lot of these people are just NOT ready to become adults. Think about it... if it'd JUST affect the mom/dad if they got prego before they were ready then I'd say GO FOR IT, they need to have the kid to "teach them a lesson" or "lay in the bed they made" as you say. However it is a LIFE that will ultimately be affected. If you can't provide for YOURSELF then how/why could you provide for a kid? You can be "pro life" and that's fine, but parents who are parents before they are ready are not doing a kid ANY favors. Go to the jailhouses and ask the inmates about their upbringing and how early their mom had them. Yeah some1 CAN turn out to be something great no matter what, but why STACK THE ODDS AGAINST YOUR KID FROM THE JUMP? You build something on shaky ground it's bound to fall over. Statistics do not lie... the law of averages kix in eventually and I think we just need to be able to make the TOUGH decisions in life w/ your BRAIN and not just your heart. To me, the "make your bed and lay in" phrase means having to look yourself in the mirror and live with the fact that you had to terminate a pregancy b/c you were STUPID. Any other way you handle this problem (1: adoption, 2: trying to struggle to raise the kid when you do not have the means) and the KID pays for it, NOT you. You are "fine" living w/ the fact that "yeah, I did what I had to do and I raised him" but the KID has to live w/ the brunt of your stupidity in most cases. If I could bear that cross for my kid, I would --> I'd live w/ the fact that I had to terminate before I bring them into this world w/ anything less than the BEST chance at becoming something. Yeah, you could send your kid to a gun fight w/ only a knife and he might take out a few people... but he WILL lose. Why not send him in w/ 2 guns, a scope, some body armor and a some camo paint. The anti-abortion people are USUALLY very emo types who need to understand that there is a BALANCE --> you HAVE to use your BRAIN, there is a reason why it is bigger than your heart. To think that some chick who is STUPID/IRRESPONSIBLE enough to get knocked up before marriage ALL OF SUDDEN has the "stuff" to be a good mom, or the best mom just b/c she got prego is dumber than getting knocked up in the 1st place. She has already (and the MAN too, not just her... but the BOTTOM line is WOMEN can get pregant not men. So guess what I am gonna tell my daughter, YUP --> a man can walk away at ANY time, so it's YOUR responsibilty to not get pregnant) shown that at least in some regard she was irresponsible.
Also, as far as the women who get prego while they are ON the pill or the shot should think of some1 ELSE other than themsleves if they want the kid. If a man is gonna go raw w/ you b/c he KNOWS you are on the pill/shot then WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE FEELS IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A BABY SHOULD YOU GET KNOCKED UP???? HELLO!!!! I will give you a hint ladies... I personally think that a woman on BC does NOT want kids... AT ALL COSTS. I have a daughter now b/c I was wrong. I love her to death but this is where I messed up. I relinquished my control to some1 who did not feel the way that I did. I will never do that again. Guys... go home RIGHT NOW and ask your gf what happens if she gets prego... if she says she will not be able to terminate then change the way you play. SERIOUSLY. Take it from me... there is no worse feeling than the love of your life (i.e my daughter) coming from a woman that you would not want to be a mother to your kid. Also ladies, just remember that if your arrangement is "booty", then keep it booty... don't switch it up to "babies" just caus you fuck up. NOT kool. I will prolly be the most vocal man on the board, but I assure you I am saying what most of the guys WANNA say. /rant
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
exactly how i feel about it. in rape cases, i understand it. other than that, absolutly not.
ok so since you want to make choices for other people can we tell you not to have children b/c we think your not ready? if you are so prolife why aren't you adopting 1 of the over half a million orphans?
paul, if it comes to the point where i'm ready for kids, and if i cant have one, then you're damn right i'm looking into adoption. man you're missing what i'm saying... i'm pro choice.... but what many people forget is that jst because they're pro choice doesnt mean they're pro abortion. i agree that certain circumstances it is understandable, ie rape. after that, i said "absolutly not" when i guess i should've been more specific.... i'm not telling you what to do, i'm merely saying that i ABSOLUTLY do NOT support it. do what you do, as you have your own opinions about it (as do i). sure, you can tell me what to do, but that doesnt mean i'm going to do it, and that would be my CHOICE.
that isn't prochoice... CHOICE is the key word... womens right to choose... if your saying your only ok w/ abortions for rape victims only then obviously there isn't much of a choice is there you've already made up your mind only rape victims should have it... get my drift.
and again as i stated earlier those who are impending their thoughts on others don't have the balls to back up their words... i just asked you if you would adopt... you can adopt right this second there are children floating from home to home... yet i don't see you doing anything about it. so you want to voice an opinion w/o action. that my friend that is a weak foot to stand on.
i understand the whole kids having kids thing.. like when they are 14 15 16 having babies and what not.. but i think they should continue the pregnancy and deliver the child.. give it up for adoption so it at least has a chance for a better life.. maybe through that whole experience they will learn to wait..
that's what i don't get, you are one of the multitudes of ppl that have used adoption as a way. but what exactly happens after that? giving a kid up for adoption in most cases is not a saving grace for the child or for the parent. the parent has to go through a long and possibly difficult pregnancy (especially if they're overly young), and the kid has NO GUARANTEES whatsoever once he/she is given up for adoption. many if not most end up bouncing around homes and not given the proper upbringing or attention or opportunities a child SHOULD have. in my eyes, better to let them die as an unborn than to make them suffer through a shitty life. my :2cent:, argue it and tell me i'm wrong til you're blue in the face
The only person that "learns" a tuff lesson from this is the KID!!!!! You are simply TRANSFERRING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR FUCK UP TO THE KID!!!! It looks good on paper, in reality it FUCKING SUCKS! I am a Big Brother... go talk to some of these kids who were "given up" and have parents that are NOT ready, you'd think differently.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
NO GOV'T HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO W/ YOUR BODY... WHERE DOES THIS BEGIN/END? WHATS NEXT YOU CAN'T SMOKE B/C OF LUNG CANCER, YOU CAN'T DRINK B/C OF LIVER DISEASE, YOU CAN'T FUCK B/C STDS... IT AMAZES ME THE WAY PEOPLE THINK SOMETIMES. YOU THINK BY GOVERNING OUTLAWING ABORTION WILL SOLVE SOMETHING... WELL GUESS WHAT IT WON'T. IT WILL ONLY MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE WOMEN DYING IN BACK ALLY WAYS B/C OF A BAD CHOICE NOT NECCESSARILY MADE FOR THEM.
THIS IS SUCH A FUNNY TOPIC B/C I WILL GO TO SAY 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROLIFE HAVE NEVER ADOPTED A CHILD NOR WILL THEY; THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN DO W/ THEIR OWN BODY. IF MY WIFE WAS GOING TO HAVE ANY ABORTION AND YOU OPENED YOUR MOUTH TO ME I WOULD SAY FINE HERE YOU HAVE THE BABY? YA I'M SURE YOU WOULD LOOK AT ME LIKE
SO THINK BEFORE YOU CAST THE FIRST STONE.
There is life in everything. Many women use BC which is simply allowing your living cells to die, many choose to swallow consuming the millions of possible lives that could live... yes those are far fetched ideas but where is the end?
If people want so much control over their lives why don't you move to a country full of communist or dictatorship?
I THINK WE NEED TO INSTITUTE LAWS OF STERILIZATION FOR IDIOTS... WOW THAT SHOULD COVER ATLEAST 50% OF OUR POPULATION HAVING CHILDREN. I THINK IT’S DUMB FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE AN UNWANTED CHILD ON MORAL GROUNDS. MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO FEED YOUR KID, MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO GIVE A GOOD PARENTAL ROLE FOR YOUR CHILD, MORAL GROUND AREN'T GOING TO RAISE THE KID...
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I think being proactive is the best option... there are far better ways to work the abortion angle; obviously i don't think killing babies b/c you refuse to use BC is right. But everyone is entitled to make mistakes. I think anyone that has an abortion not due to rape must have BC inserted tubes in their body not allowing them to have children 3-5 years. This goes for anyone on welfare. I'm sorry but there is a far worse problem.
(sorry for the caps its help to make sure your reading)
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NO GOV'T HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO W/ YOUR BODY... WHERE DOES THIS BEGIN/END? WHATS NEXT YOU CAN'T SMOKE B/C OF LUNG CANCER, YOU CAN'T DRINK B/C OF LIVER DISEASE, YOU CAN'T FUCK B/C STDS... IT AMAZES ME THE WAY PEOPLE THINK SOMETIMES. YOU THINK BY GOVERNING OUTLAWING ABORTION WILL SOLVE SOMETHING... WELL GUESS WHAT IT WON'T. IT WILL ONLY MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE WOMEN DYING IN BACK ALLY WAYS B/C OF A BAD CHOICE NOT NECCESSARILY MADE FOR THEM.
THIS IS SUCH A FUNNY TOPIC B/C I WILL GO TO SAY 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROLIFE HAVE NEVER ADOPTED A CHILD NOR WILL THEY; THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN DO W/ THEIR OWN BODY. IF MY WIFE WAS GOING TO HAVE ANY ABORTION AND YOU OPENED YOUR MOUTH TO ME I WOULD SAY FINE HERE YOU HAVE THE BABY? YA I'M SURE YOU WOULD LOOK AT ME LIKE
There is life in everything. Many women use BC which is simply allowing your living cells to die, many choose to swallow consuming the millions of possible lives that could live... yes those are far fetched ideas but where is the end?
If people want so much control over their lives why don't you move to a country full of communist or dictatorship?
I THINK WE NEED TO INSTITUTE LAWS OF STERILIZATION FOR IDIOTS... WOW THAT SHOULD COVER ATLEAST 50% OF OUR POPULATION HAVING CHILDREN. I THINK IT’S DUMB FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE AN UNWANTED CHILD ON MORAL GROUNDS. MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO FEED YOUR KID, MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO GIVE A GOOD PARENTAL ROLE FOR YOUR CHILD, MORAL GROUND AREN'T GOING TO RAISE THE KID...
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I think being proactive is the best option... there are far better ways to work the abortion angle; obviously i don't think killing babies b/c you refuse to use BC is right. But everyone is entitled to make mistakes. I think anyone that has an abortion not due to rape must have BC inserted tubes in their body not allowing them to have children 3-5 years. This goes for anyone on welfare. I'm sorry but there is a far worse problem.
(sorry for the caps its help to make sure your reading
+1 that is all
must spread more rep..... sorry I'll get you though
This is a very personal choice issue, and we should not chastise anyone on either side as they and only they will have to handle the consequences of their decision.
I agree that there are people that have no business being parents. The flip side to that is that just like anyone is allowed to choose an abortion as their personal choice, so unfortunately we can't force someone NOT to have children either. That choice is too a personal one. Although I think that if the gov't is supporting you....it should have a say in you not taking advantage of the situation too....but that will never happen because we have too many pansies on Capitol hill that look at welfare recipients as just another vote rather than a weight around the neck.
Anyway, that's my short
that is my whole point on what i was saying in the other thread
Val for President
WILL YOU MARRY ME AND HAVE MY KID!!! +98JABILLION!!!!!NO GOV'T HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO W/ YOUR BODY... WHERE DOES THIS BEGIN/END? WHATS NEXT YOU CAN'T SMOKE B/C OF LUNG CANCER, YOU CAN'T DRINK B/C OF LIVER DISEASE, YOU CAN'T FUCK B/C STDS... IT AMAZES ME THE WAY PEOPLE THINK SOMETIMES. YOU THINK BY GOVERNING OUTLAWING ABORTION WILL SOLVE SOMETHING... WELL GUESS WHAT IT WON'T. IT WILL ONLY MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE WOMEN DYING IN BACK ALLY WAYS B/C OF A BAD CHOICE NOT NECCESSARILY MADE FOR THEM.
THIS IS SUCH A FUNNY TOPIC B/C I WILL GO TO SAY 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROLIFE HAVE NEVER ADOPTED A CHILD NOR WILL THEY; THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY CAN DO W/ THEIR OWN BODY. IF MY WIFE WAS GOING TO HAVE ANY ABORTION AND YOU OPENED YOUR MOUTH TO ME I WOULD SAY FINE HERE YOU HAVE THE BABY? YA I'M SURE YOU WOULD LOOK AT ME LIKE
There is life in everything. Many women use BC which is simply allowing your living cells to die, many choose to swallow consuming the millions of possible lives that could live... yes those are far fetched ideas but where is the end?
If people want so much control over their lives why don't you move to a country full of communist or dictatorship?
I THINK WE NEED TO INSTITUTE LAWS OF STERILIZATION FOR IDIOTS... WOW THAT SHOULD COVER ATLEAST 50% OF OUR POPULATION HAVING CHILDREN. I THINK IT’S DUMB FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE AN UNWANTED CHILD ON MORAL GROUNDS. MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO FEED YOUR KID, MORAL GROUNDS AREN'T GOING TO GIVE A GOOD PARENTAL ROLE FOR YOUR CHILD, MORAL GROUND AREN'T GOING TO RAISE THE KID...
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I think being proactive is the best option... there are far better ways to work the abortion angle; obviously i don't think killing babies b/c you refuse to use BC is right. But everyone is entitled to make mistakes. I think anyone that has an abortion not due to rape must have BC inserted tubes in their body not allowing them to have children 3-5 years. This goes for anyone on welfare. I'm sorry but there is a far worse problem.
(sorry for the caps its help to make sure your reading
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Alright, if my boy Baby J can go long wind, yall KNOW I can.....
As I said earlier, you should not chastise anyone on either side since this is a very personal choice and more importantly a very very difficult one.
Many of you are right: This is not a choice for the indecisive ones. It is a choice that once it's made it WILL impact you regardless of which way you go for the rest of your life.
Before anyone jumps on me, I want to say that although I am very steadfast in my religious beliefs......I haven't always been like that and more importantly I have been through both sides of this debate right along side of some very important people in my life. I have held someone's hand when they had an abortion. I have seen the frustration of parents that can't conceive. I have seen the red tape it takes to adopt a child even when they're available parents dying to have them. I have been in 7 deliveries, although I only have 2 children of my own. So, I have been there and done that. No more details needed.
I can tell yall from my personal first hand experience that people who abort children, no matter what the reason, will in fact be affected forever (unless they have no conscience). It is a VERY difficult decision when the chips are down. It is easy for some people to say what they WOULD do today when he or she is not pregnant. When the time comes, it's very difficult to make that decision for most. Life begins at conception. Taking a life is not an easy choice to make for just about anyone, especially someone who is young and scared.
I can also tell yall from first hand experience that there is no greater reward than being a GOOD parent. Children have a way of changing any and all situations you find yourself in. It is very much hard work. It is very much a lot of sacrifices. It is also very very much worth it. When your own flesh and blood comes out of nowhere for no reason at all and hugs you and kisses you and tells you "I love you Dad..." Tell me just reading that didn't pull at your heart strings, let alone living it. I am blessed with 2 beautiful children. They're not perfect to everyone else, but they are to me. I am very glad we made the decision (one was planned, one was a surprise) to be parents together. It's been a long hard road to hoe, but that's the price of admission.
I can also tell yall that the pain of NOT being able to have your own child is ruthless. I had a family member that tried and tried. Fertility doctors and medicines didn't work. Finally they adopted. They're situation was unique because they adopted a child that was already their family member anyway. They adopted their nephew from the wife's sister who could not and had no business having him in the first place. He is my Godson. He is very well adjusted and will in no way have anything lacking as long as I have any say so. He may never know how close he came to being aborted. It may not even matter because he will be a success. I know it.
I can also tell you that we all need to be more compassionate with others. Children are the only innocent ones. Too often they are made to suffer because we want to save face or because it doesn't fit into our plans. It is your decision to make. Be aware that there are indeed consequences for either decision. Noone's life is ever the same after pregnancy. Sometimes its physical but it is always psychological too. To be a GOOD parent, you have to have the right mindset that now everything is no longer about you only. Noone is truly ever "ready", but some have no business trying yet either. This is one of many things that SHOULD go thru someone's head when engaging in sexual activity.
Are you ready to make the hard choices? Are you ready to accept your position as a parent? Are you able to provide for your child? Are you strong enough to do the right thing, not for you but for the unborn child?
If you can't answer the above questions, then maybe you should be ultra cautious and preventative when having sex.
Notice that I have not divulged my personal position on this. Why? Because I've already made that decision for ME, and I would be happy to sit with anyone and hold their hand at either the abortion clinic or the delivery room. I am not anyone to pass judgement, but I'd be glad to offer support to anyone during one of the most difficult decisions anyone will ever make in their life.
My long
exactly
more likeMy long
Val for President
I know you didn't expect anything less, did you?????
more like
Damn!! Now I wanna marry you too! Me you and ADMIN can get married! And then we can have some kids. LMAO!!!! + 98BAJILLION for you too!...
Notice that I have not divulged my personal position on this. Why? Because I've already made that decision for ME, and I would be happy to sit with anyone and hold their hand at either the abortion clinic or the delivery room. I am not anyone to pass judgement, but I'd be glad to offer support to anyone during one of the most difficult decisions anyone will ever make in their life.
My long
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Would that be planned or unplanned?????Damn!! Now I wanna marry you too! Me you and ADMIN can get married! And then we can have some kids. LMAO!!!! + 98BAJILLION for you too!
Besides, Paul doesn't want any because he's afraid I'd baptise him and teach him about the Bible......
and +1
02 Metallic Blue IS 300
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Don't forget to tip your waitresses on the way out......
+1 and props to both admin and jaime, made some very valid pts.
Baby J's 1st paragraph was the longwinded version of what i was trying to say, +1 for u too
i will burn this country down before they tell me what to do w/ my own body.
lollerskates, who else thinks paul just got put on a watchlist for that statement?
lol no doubt... FBI is knocking at my door...lollerskates, who else thinks paul just got put on a watchlist for that statement?
you're fucked LOLlol no doubt... FBI is knocking at my door...
Val for President
but if there is a baby that is conceived in a womens womb-it has seperate DNA and is a seperate person which can not be owned
if you kill him/her-that is murder in my book
its a human being -we're not talkin about just some "tissue" here
remember Lacey Peterson-her husband Scott murder her and his unborn child-guess what-found guilty on 2 counts of murder
once a baby is conceived-thats a human being
exactly!
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