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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ion/index.html


    RAMALLAH, West Bank (CNN) -- The Islamic fundamentalist group Hamas, which has said it favors the destruction of Israel, won a landslide victory in Palestinian elections, securing 76 seats in the 132-member legislature, officials said Thursday.

    The preliminary results showed Fatah, which has held power since the creation of the Palestinian Authority, garnered only 43 seats, dramatically shifting the political landscape in the volatile region.

    The 13 remaining seats went to smaller parties and independents.

    Even before results were announced, the outcome was apparent. "We have lost the elections; Hamas has won," said Saeb Erakat, a Palestinian lawmaker with Fatah.

    President Bush -- whose Middle East policy includes support for emerging democracies -- said Thursday he would not deal with Hamas unless it renounced terrorism. (Watch Bush face tough questioning -- 5:37)

    "We don't have a government yet, so you're asking me to speculate on what the government will look like," Bush told reporters during a White House news conference. "I have made it very clear, however, that a political party that articulates the destruction of Israel as part of its platform is a party with which we will not deal."

    "I don't see how you can be a partner in peace if you advocate the destruction of a country as part of your platform."

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has already accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei, Erakat said. The Fatah-led Palestinian Authority Cabinet also has resigned.

    Bush said, "we would hope [Abbas] would stay in office and work to move the process forward." The president acknowledged that the election appeared to "open the eyes" of the Palestinian "old guard."

    "Obviously, people were not happy with the status quo," Bush said.

    "The people are demanding honest government. The people want services. They want to be able to raise their children in an environment in which they can get a decent education and they can find health care."

    "It's a wake-up call to the leadership," Bush said, many of whom are holdovers from the days of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

    Shots and scuffles
    In the West Bank, Hamas and Fatah supporters scuffled Thursday outside the Palestinian parliament building when Hamas supporters attempted to raise the green Hamas flag.

    Shots were fired into the air, observers said. The scuffle came as thousands of Palestinians celebrated the election results in Ramallah and Gaza.

    The Hamas victory marks the first opportunity for the group -- which the United States and Israel consider to be a terrorist organization -- to run a government. Hamas has operated a successful network of charities and schools in Gaza. (What is Hamas?)

    Hamas' military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, has carried out terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians as well as attacks against the Israeli military.

    Longtime Palestinian lawmaker Hanan Ashrawi offered a possible explanation as to how Hamas leaders may respond to conerns about their ideology.

    "Hamas is trying to be moderate at least in its political presentation -- trying to maybe respond to some of the fears and reservations expressed by Palestinians and by the international community," she said. "However, we feel when you are extremely ideological, it's not going to be easy for you to shed your ideology in favor of approval -- whether internal or international."

    About 1,073,000 Palestinians voted, a turnout of 77 percent of registered voters, said Hana Naser of the Central Election Commission.

    A final result that might have some slight change will be released within a day or two, he said. All but 5 percent of the votes have been counted, he said.

    Erakat said "Fatah will not take part in any national unity government." Instead, "Fatah will try to redefine itself." (Reaction to vote)

    Olmert: 'Will not negotiate'
    On Wednesday, acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority.

    "I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and [Abbas] very much but they must meet their commitments," Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office.

    Hamas, which boycotted the last election in 1996, capitalized on widespread dissatisfaction with what is seen as corruption within the Palestinian Authority and Fatah, and a perceived inability by the authority to manage the affairs of the Palestinians.

    Fatah was formed in 1965 by Arafat, who died in November 2004, and dominated Palestinian politics for decades as the mainstream Palestinian nationalist movement.

    "Mostly, they were voting for opposition and voting against Fatah -- against corruption, against nepotism, against the failure of the peace process, and against the lack of leadership," said Mustafa Barghouti with the Palestinian National Initiative, a democratic opposition movement.

    He said Wednesday "was a great day for Palestine. This is the best democratic practice ever in the Arab world." (Watch Gaza residents talk about why election day is so important -- 2:32)

    CNN's John Vause, Guy Raz and Ben Wedeman contributed to this report.
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    A situation that was never a good one just got much worse and whether we like it or not we are involved.

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    Iran and Pakistan to be nuked by 07. Israel doesn't have to worry about what the world thinks of them, unlike the US.
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    Israel will not take shit from them. We dont even have to help fight that battle, If the Hamas attack them, They will and have the ability to fight back. Remember we supply them with all thier weapons, planes, etc. and they take our weapons and improve on them to make them better then ours. Israel will not sit by and get attacked without fighting back.
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    Israel, for being such a small country, they are built for war... So like I said, I wouldn't be one bit suprised to wake up and hear of total devestation in either Iran or any of there other enemies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    Israel will not take shit from them. We dont even have to help fight that battle, If the Hamas attack them, They will and have the ability to fight back. Remember we supply them with all thier weapons, planes, etc. and they take our weapons and improve on them to make them better then ours. Israel will not sit by and get attacked without fighting back.
    I doubt they will even wait to be attacked... Iran is already "threatening" irsrael by continuing there nuclear program.. i wouldn't be suprised if they were attacked before even completing it. We are on the other side of the globe from these places, Israel is stuck right in the middle of this mess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    I doubt they will even wait to be attacked... Iran is already "threatening" irsrael by continuing there nuclear program.. i wouldn't be suprised if they were attacked before even completing it. We are on the other side of the globe from these places, Israel is stuck right in the middle of this mess...

    With our troops being in Iraq right now though we are right in between Israel and Iran, I just tend to wonder if and how we could stay neutral considering the position we are in there in the middle east.

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    Israel could wipe any of those countries in the middle east off the face of the planet. We would get involved but we wouldn't need to. I would love to see Israel do what we should be doing over there. These people don't understand diplomatic actions they understand war and violence and Israel will give them all they can handle and then some.

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    We wouldnt step into thier battle, They are a country who can stand up for themselves without the need of the U.S to help. Thier military is stocked with our weapons, planes, missles, etc that they bought from us, then they improve on them and make them even better. Thier F-15 verse ours is no comparison, We sell them a basic F-15, they make it 10 times better then what we build and use. They are a country who will stand up for themselves and wipe any country who fucks with them off the map, and they like us will do it from the air, not on the ground.
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    it will be intresting to say the least
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    This is proof that democracy can fail in certain societies, mainly ones who are narrow minded and uninformed.

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    i like this. Israel is small like a honda engine, and has ass loads of power because they are already booted up with U.S supplies of warfare weapons and all other good stuff (sry had to bring the car part in it lol). I don't understand what people in Palestine want. Israel already gave them the Gaza now whate else is left that they want? Well i know one thing......if anything happens Israel will be giving that country one hell of a ass whoping. And i can see Israel taking out Iran's nuclear plants, reactors or the whole program before it even completes. Israel isn't stupid to watch their enemy build something that they are sure will be used against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEONRACER
    Israel could wipe any of those countries in the middle east off the face of the planet. We would get involved but we wouldn't need to. I would love to see Israel do what we should be doing over there. These people don't understand diplomatic actions they understand war and violence and Israel will give them all they can handle and then some.
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    us will always get in n the us army is weak we dont even have enough recruits sooner or later there goin to have a draft

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    i have many family members that have lived in isreal for 14 years now.

    This is basically handing power to a proven violent terrorist group.

    I have had 2 of my cousins fight for the isreali army.

    (all 18 year olds go to military), so this is really a bad situation for my fam.

    I hope it gets better soon cause its a danger just to go to work, school, and

    pray, because of a terrorist attack on civilians.

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    i hope we dont get involved but i think we will because for some reason we always gota try and intervene, o fucky
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    if you guys no history the reason why gaza was apart of Is. is because of the 7 day war... they kicked ass for 7days... and that was in the early 70's i think.. imagine what they could do now.... oh and for the iran nuclear stuff... here is a huge suggestion
    take nato over there and have them run the nuclear power plant .... if they just want to use it for power..... but i dont think thats there intentions.. but if it was thats the way they should do that.. simple and easy...



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