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Originally Posted by DESTRO_91

I hate the fact that we are still over there. I honestly feel we need to cut our losses and make the real people responsible for the war which is now suppose to be a peace keeping and rebuilding mission. I 've been to Iraq (twice) and the only difference between the deployments are the attitudes of the iraqi's and the rules of engagement. Granted, I'm not a general or someone in the "know", but what I do know is that we continue lose our own over there, and for what? Make me see the benefits of a US presence over there. Because I really don't see one.

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you are right we haven't seen any benefits, and we won't. We were lied to which led us to this war, and I don't see where we have accomplished anything. Our men and women are dying daily for our country, and they shouldn't be over there. We keep feeding money into a war, that looks like it has no end. Also for all those people who agreed with Bush going to war, ya'll need to be shipped off to Cuba along with Bush to live the rest of your lives.

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Originally Posted by tony

Mitt Romney actually mandated health coverage in MA, they are now imposing fines (FINES) on people who do not have health coverage. So lets get this straight, penalize those who cannot afford health coverage by fining them?

Social security is supposed to provide for our wellbeing after retirement, that is garnished from our wages as well.. and we see how that is going. Taxes are garnished from our wages and we have the biggest deficit in history, so now you want to garnish health coverage from our checks as well? All while never seeing the benefit of it since those who don't work and illegal immigrants will cripple the system? I anxiously await a response.

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Tony most likely we won't even have SS, when it comes our time. You know that.

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

Tony most likely we won't even have SS, when it comes our time. You know that.

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Exactly, so now Hillary wants you to trust the government with MORE funds from your paycheck so they can manage health care? All while politicians continue to stick pork into these bills get passed, mandate health coverage for children.. yes but adults? Hell no

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Originally Posted by tony

Exactly, so now Hillary wants you to trust the government with MORE funds from your paycheck so they can manage health care? All while politicians continue to stick pork into these bills get passed, mandate health coverage for children.. yes but adults? Hell no

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Tony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

Tony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.

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No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.

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Originally Posted by tony

No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.

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We actually end up pay for it, a lot of old bills are payed by the goverment, using our tax dollars. That is some of the help hospitals get from the government. Once you finally pay those bills, the money gets back to the government. It is like a recycle thing, I have a close friend who is a state rep he let me in on some of the BS that goes on.

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Originally Posted by tony

No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.

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I understand what you are saying, but you know everything isn't black and white. There is always some red tape somewhere.

If thats the case then why not cover citizens of the U.S or subsidize premiums since the government foots the bill anyway? My problem with Billary is she wants to garnish wages but remain in Iraq with a war that costs the taxpayers BILLIONS and for what? Nothing, she needs to get her priorities straight.

A couple of good articles on mandated coverage:

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/re...ndsMay2006.pdf

http://www.ncpa.org/w/w23.html

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Originally Posted by tony

If thats the case then why not cover citizens of the U.S or subsidize premiums since the government foots the bill anyway? My problem with Billary is she wants to garnish wages but remain in Iraq with a war that costs the taxpayers BILLIONS and for what? Nothing, she needs to get her priorities straight.

A couple of good articles on mandated coverage:

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/re...ndsMay2006.pdf

http://www.ncpa.org/w/w23.html

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I completely agree, her stance is fawked up with the war. But I would rather take care of my own then others. Also no matter what complaints we have, we will always have to pay for something. Even when we get tax breaks we still pay, we just get hit with something else.

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

Tony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.

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True. On the flip side, do we just neglect those who can't afford it or better yet, the working people who don't make enough and get taxed a whole lot less.

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Originally Posted by DESTRO_91

True. On the flip side, do we just neglect those who can't afford it or better yet, the working people who don't make enough and get taxed a whole lot less.

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I don't have the answer for that, but I hope they figure something out that works. I hope the people who work hard don't get screwed.

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I completely agree, her stance is fawked up with the war. But I would rather take care of my own then others. Also no matter what complaints we have, we will always have to pay for something. Even when we get tax breaks we still pay, we just get hit with something else.

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So true, so true.

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Originally Posted by tony

Dr. G, I respect your opinion completely but this is my problem with conservatives. I voted for Bush, considered myself pretty conservative but I get tired of policies being built off of fear of the unknown. ANYTHING can happen at any given time, domestic security should be a priority but going into another country and attempting to establish order in a culture that does not accept ours with open arms is a lost cause.

How many resources have to be used and how many soldiers have to die before we realize we are hurting ourselves more than we are helping Iraq? Want to fight terrorism? Stop funding it, this means deal with energy independence, securing our boarders and build a stronger military here.. not in Iraq.

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Good point but dems or conservs either party are going to create policies to protect from the unknown, theres nothing we can do about that. Those policies are precautions so we will be sfe. Its true i dont agree with the govt supposedly tapping phones and **** like that, but thats the govt abusing power; it happens. I also agree with you that its a shame that we have lost 3000+ soldiers, and i dont want to sound cold at all because i support our troops more than any other political form, but they new the risk when signing up to be in the armed forces and i cannot think of a more courageous person. And to your ss concern, i believe it will be here. illegal immigrants from a whole do not "use" our money from health care normally they either pay an arm or a leg for whatever servce they get or they dont get any at all. The number one reason for grady hospital being in such the condition and debt that there are in is largely from the homeless community and other people. dont get me wrong i am in no way protecting illegal immigrants, i believe that they shouldnt be here illegaly but if there was some billpassed where allof the were shipped back to mexico, india, africa, and other regions it would severely cripple our system. they have been in our system too long for us to just simply ship them back. and all this bull**** about "the illegals are taking our jobs" are just people bitching. i as well respect your opinions with a few others. this is what makes America great. GOD BLESS THE US!!!
To Destro_91 i agree with you, i hate that we are over there and i thank you for fighting for our great country ( assuming that you are military). but why did you sign up to be in the military?(again assuming that you are military?) to keep America safe right? well thats exactly what we are doing. I don't understand how people can believe that after we begin a war that it is that cut and dry and we can get out. We are still in vietnam, so what makes people believe that we can just pick up and go from a very hostile country? I honestly believe that McCain will be the best pres because he is a realist, he said in one of his speechs the other day when arnold officially said that he would support them that it might take 5, 10, or maybe even 50 years before we will be able to get out of the middle east. he doesnt bull**** people and tell them what they want to hear, he gives them the truth and that is what matters to me.

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Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG

x2, wtf is wrong with Hillary. half of you fools are hating because she is a woman.

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actually I hate Hitlery because she is a communist. When I have more time I'll find the quotes, but alot of what she is saying is the same things Lenin was telling the Russian people back in the 1920's.

Things like taking from rich business to help the poor. If you are not on welfare, Hitlery will take everything she can. A friend of mine has a perfect avatar. It says "Work harder, Millions of welfare depend on you". I think thats by far the saddest thing in this country right now.

I dont like the dems especially because of their so called solutions to the illegals. Giving them amnesty is what got us into this in the first place. IMO if you are illegal the govt should take everything they cant carry on their back and auction it. If you harbor them, you should lose your house.