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    ron paul has the best ideas and plan so far. AND he is always saying the same thing....he doesnt change his position on a particular topic or change how he answers the questions.


    hes the best candidate period. he does well for both sides democrat, and republican as well as the libertarian party.

    the problem is the people who don't have a damn clue that go to the polls and pick a candidate based solely on whether they are a democrat or republican.
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    If Ron Paul Doesn't win this election, America is ****ed. and i will not be living here any longer. dead serious. people need to wake the **** up and realize what's going on. Ron Paul is America's last hope at redemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGERJC
    I keep hearing good things about this Ron Paul guy, but I really dont want to see another republican in the office. Mainly b/c I see them staying on the right side when it comes to anything once they are in office. Nothing scares me more if another republican gets in the office and sides with the Christians' Nut jobs to keep them happy.
    I hear you on this one.. look at ****ing bush. But here's the thing about ron paul.. he's had the same views since he's been in congress.. 20 years almost, he strictly supports our constitutional rights. He's also not some right wing minister that's going to side with those nuts christian fanatics. The only thing wrong with Ron Paul is.. well.. nothing. He supports everything this country is based off of, when it wasn't a ****hole. Honestly if he's not elected, i will not live in this country anymore.

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    Then pack ur sh*t - he will not be elected. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeDFuNk
    I hear you on this one.. look at ****ing bush. But here's the thing about ron paul.. he's had the same views since he's been in congress.. 20 years almost, he strictly supports our constitutional rights. He's also not some right wing minister that's going to side with those nuts christian fanatics. The only thing wrong with Ron Paul is.. well.. nothing. He supports everything this country is based off of, when it wasn't a ****hole. Honestly if he's not elected, i will not live in this country anymore.
    I like ron paul as much as the next person, but thinking realistically he will not get the party election. oh well man you might want to go ahead and get packing.


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    I'll try to get to Hillary and Mike Huckabee tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB6dohcvtec
    I like ron paul as much as the next person, but thinking realistically he will not get the party election. oh well man you might want to go ahead and get packing.
    why not? we vote on the primaries just as we vote on the final election. if enough people like him, he will win..... thats how its supposed to work at least....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    why not? we vote on the primaries just as we vote on the final election. if enough people like him, he will win..... thats how its supposed to work at least....
    thats whats i'm saying he has enough people that thinks he is a good candidate but not enough people to actually vote for him. i think most american like being lied too. i guess its now apart of american culture, but paul as the underground vote for sure. But in the states where it really matters ( still don't see why) like Iowa and New Hampshire he won't get the votes.


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    I see a lot of ignorance in this thread. If you look back to when Clinton was in office you can clearly see how he started to over run the economy. Hell look at the unemployment rates they were well below the equilibrium. Then Bush gets into office things start to start to go bust, he throws the economy back into high gear with the housing market, interest only loans ect. Well with the boom comes the bust, all economies are cyclical. If people would stop trying to live BEYOND their means....

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    Ron Paul FTW....

    Even just hearing him talk should make you feel a lot more confident in him. Compare his speeches and his responses to ANYTHING Bush has said/spoken and you WILL notice the intellectual difference IMMEDIATELY....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtikid
    Ron Paul FTW....

    Even just hearing him talk should make you feel a lot more confident in him. Compare his speeches and his responses to ANYTHING Bush has said/spoken and you WILL notice the intellectual difference IMMEDIATELY....
    hell my 8 yr old nephew can give a more intellectual speech than Bush


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    Quote Originally Posted by BABY J
    TONY - what's up w/ the Romney info??


    and LOL@ people who think that guns is one of the top REAL issues facing our nation.

    It is a REAL issue. If you do not think it is, then you have no clue whats going on. You can laugh at the people that believe in the right to bare arms, or you sit back think about the FUNDAMENTAL problem at hand. So sit back and think about it, and you will then realize (maybe) why the issue of gun control is so huge, and extremely important to this country. Any individual for limiting gun usage by law abiding citizens, instantly looses my vote. Socialists loose my vote also, so democrats are out of question after those two criteria. So now I am left with the republican party, ohh joy... (sarcasm)
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    Dennis Kucinich is far from a socialist.. don't group all democrats into being one way

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    Dennis Kucinich is far from a socialist.. don't group all democrats into being one way
    Well he wants socialized health care, supports double taxation, and supports limited rights to bare arms concerning law abiding citizens. Socialistic enough for me.

    Briefly browsing his page, he seems to be a demand sider.. is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny
    It is a REAL issue. If you do not think it is, then you have no clue whats going on. You can laugh at the people that believe in the right to bare arms, or you sit back think about the FUNDAMENTAL problem at hand. So sit back and think about it, and you will then realize (maybe) why the issue of gun control is so huge, and extremely important to this country. Any individual for limiting gun usage by law abiding citizens, instantly looses my vote. Socialists loose my vote also, so democrats are out of question after those two criteria. So now I am left with the republican party, ohh joy... (sarcasm)
    bro...he apparently doesn't have a ****ing clue.... so don't waste your time on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    bro...he apparently doesn't have a ****ing clue.... so don't waste your time on him.
    sorry.. lol

    Tony got me going on his buddy. Still want to read into that guys tax plan a little more, it was kinda interesting/ kinda likable at first glance.. Tony has created more homework for me lol
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    I don't give a **** who wins as long as they dont take any more of my money and give it to a bunch of worthless bums who work the system so they can stay home all day while I work, and drive a $50k escalade while I'm stuck with a $30k car that I make payments on. FUCK welfare, FUCK unemployment, and FUCK anyone who abuses it.

    The best thing I have heard so far is the idea of equal taxes for everyone. Its bull**** that I get taxed more than some people just because I work hard and earn more money. The only people who object to equal taxation are those who dont have the initiative to go out and get a better job and make more money themselves.
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    Also anyone who wants stricter gun control is an idiot. Why do we need stricter gun control? Maybe we need stricter criminal control. 90% of people who commit a crime with a gun already have a record. They are CRIMINALS. Who really believes that enacting stricter gun laws is going to keep someone who breaks the law for a living from breaking the law and getting a gun????????? They will find a way. Crack is illegal, and you can go out and buy crack easier than going out and buying a gun as it is. If the gov't enacts stricter gun laws, the only people who will have them are the criminals, and us law abiding citizens will not be able to have a gun to protect ourselves. I would like to see the gov't come try to take my guns. I'll ****ing move to canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allmotoronly
    I don't give a **** who wins as long as they dont take any more of my money and give it to a bunch of worthless bums who work the system so they can stay home all day while I work, and drive a $50k escalade while I'm stuck with a $30k car that I make payments on. FUCK welfare, FUCK unemployment, and FUCK anyone who abuses it.

    The best thing I have heard so far is the idea of equal taxes for everyone. Its bull**** that I get taxed more than some people just because I work hard and earn more money. The only people who object to equal taxation are those who dont have the initiative to go out and get a better job and make more money themselves.
    Fair tax FTW Ron Paul FTW


    Quote Originally Posted by allmotoronly
    Also anyone who wants stricter gun control is an idiot. Why do we need stricter gun control? Maybe we need stricter criminal control. 90% of people who commit a crime with a gun already have a record. They are CRIMINALS. Who really believes that enacting stricter gun laws is going to keep someone who breaks the law for a living from breaking the law and getting a gun????????? They will find a way. Crack is illegal, and you can go out and buy crack easier than going out and buying a gun as it is. If the gov't enacts stricter gun laws, the only people who will have them are the criminals, and us law abiding citizens will not be able to have a gun to protect ourselves. I would like to see the gov't come try to take my guns. I'll ****ing move to canada.
    Gun Control FTL Socialists FTL Ron Paul FTW

    you cant ban idiots, so they try to ban everything else instead, and say its for the greater good..... if it weren't for the guns we hold in our hands and have the right to own, those liberal morons wouldn't be able to do or say the insanely stupid stuff that they say/do/try to do.
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    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1


    watch this video..... its an hour.... yes but it gives a great idea of what Ron Paul is all about..... there is also a list of the other candidates on the right side of the page
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    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

    Now on the other hand. Hillary's dumb ass does not provide ONE single solution to ANY of the problems faced by the USA. She says what we should do and what should happen and not how to go about doing those things and making them happen.


    WHAT THE ****!!!???

    Ron Paul provides solutions and ways to go about those for every situation, almost.


    she is NOT good president material, regardles of her stance on the issues because she has NO solutions!!! i mean come on people.....wake up!!!!
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    Dennis Kucinich

    Dennis Kucinich, born October 8, 1946, in Cleveland, Ohio. Ohio Congressman,former Mayor of Cleveland, and 2004 Democratic primary candidate. Dennis Kucinich is known by many as "The Peace Candidate", having received the 2003 Gandhi Peace Award. Kucinich opposed the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act. Under Kucinich's plan, United Nations peace-keepers would go to Iraq if the Iraqi citizens desire their presence. The Congressman re-introduced legislation to create a United States Department of Peace via HR 808 on February 5, 2007. He is currently campaigning to end the war in Iraq by cutting off funding, if such measures are necessary. He is in support of peaceful diplomatic relations with Iran, and all nations. Kucinich has received many awards praising his courage and work for peace.[58][59] On December 12, 2006, Kucinich announced his candidacy at an event at Cleveland's City Hall.

    Abortion

    Prior to 2002 Kucinich was described as pro-life, but he currently maintains a pro-choice stance on abortion. In 1996 he was quoted as saying that "life begins at conception", and he has also voted in favor on banning partial birth abortion and preventing the transport of minors to undergo abortion procedures. However since then he has been a strong supporter of abortion rights. Kucinich stated that "women's right-to-choose is essential to gender equality", "abortions should always be legal" and "women can't be free unless they have the right to choose". Kucinich said that, as President, he would not appoint anyone to the U.S. Supreme Court, who would vote to repeal the decision of Roe v. Wade.[2]

    Civil liberties

    Kucinich supports same-sex marriage and opposes the definition of marriage as "between a man and a woman"[5]. Rather, he feels that all citizens deserve equal treatment under the law, and should be allowed to choose for themselves who they want to marry. He has also voted for the expansion of hate crime laws in the United States and against banning LGBT adoption in Washington, D.C.[6].

    Kucinich has opposed the USA PATRIOT Act since its inception. He voted for an amendment to the constitution outlawing flag burning and desecration[7], however he has since taken up the opposite stance and voted against a similar amendment in 2005. [8]

    The American Civil Liberties Union granted Kucinich a 100% rating on civil liberties for the 2006-2007 legislative session. In addition he has been given a 89% lifetime rating by the ACLU.

    Drugs

    Kucinich supports marijuana decriminalization[11] and has said that the "war on drugs benefits only the prison-industrial complex

    Gun ownership

    Kucinich is rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record [14]. He expresses that while he supports the 2nd Amendment (and the rest of the Constitution), he feels people need to act responsibly with that power.

    Iraq war

    Kucinich voted against the authorization of military force against Iraq and he and Ron Paul (R) are the only members of Congress who voted against both the war and all funding bills.[citation needed] "One cannot be against Iraq war yet still fund it," explained Kucinich.[15]

    In 2004, he was the only Democratic presidential contender who promised that, as President, he would withdraw U.S. troops immediately. He continues to maintain this position, and offers up a 12-point plan of withdrawal.

    Health care

    Kucinich alongside fellow Democratic Congressman John Conyers (Michigan) is co-sponsor of a bill to provide health care to all citizens (HR 676).

    He is rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.

    Immigration

    Kucinich supports immigration reform and giving resident aliens the opportunity to become citizens.


    He is also well known for his wife, Elizabeth:


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    I don't think a socialist would be for legalizing marijuana, being the only presidential candidate to vote against the Patriot act, (please look it up if you dont know what it is) keep abortion legal AND support same sex marriage.

    You have to pick your poison here, I don't think any one candidate hits the nail on the head with every issue so you have to decide whats most important, Iraq or Gun Control.. the confederate flag or legalized abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    I don't think a socialist would be for legalizing marijuana, being the only presidential candidate to vote against the Patriot act, (please look it up if you dont know what it is) keep abortion legal AND support same sex marriage.

    You have to pick your poison here, I don't think any one candidate hits the nail on the head with every issue so you have to decide whats most important, Iraq or Gun Control.. the confederate flag or legalized abortion.

    gun control over Iraq any day.....

    you lose the right to own weapons and protect yourself, then you have no power at all.
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    Senator Hillary Clinton



    Energy policy

    Clinton supports energy conservation, releasing oil reserves, increasing the number of hydrogen-powered vehicles, and ratification of the Kyoto Protocol. She opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Bush administration's energy policy.[5]

    Clinton introduced a plan to Congress to create a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development, and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels, and more.

    Free-market capitalism

    When asked if she agreed with the quote from Alan Arenholt that she used in her book, It Takes a Village: "The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."[7] Hillary replied that

    "I believe that. That's why I put it in the book...And I just believe that there's got to be a healthy tension among all of our institutions in society, and that the market is the driving force behind our prosperity, our freedom in so many respects to make our lives our own but that it cannot be permitted just to run roughshod over people's lives as well."

    Health Care

    In September 2007, as part of her presidential campaign, Clinton revealed her new American Health Choices Plan, an "individual mandate" universal health care plan that would require health care coverage for all individuals. Clinton explained individuals can keep their current employer-based coverage, or choose an expanded version of Medicare or federal employee health plans.[18][19] The projected cost of the plan is $110 billion annually and will require all employers to cover their employees' health insurance or contribute to the costs of their employees' health insurance coverage; tax credits will be provided to companies with fewer than 25 employees to help cover costs.

    Immigration

    On March 8, 2006, she strongly criticized H.R. 4437, a bill passed by the House of Representatives in December 2005 and sent to the Senate, that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers. Clinton called the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for" and said it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do." She believed the solution to the illegal immigration problem was to make "a path to earned citizenship for those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, respecting the law, and willing to meet a high bar for becoming a citizen."[39]

    On March 27, Clinton again vowed to block the bill. Speaking to a New York group of open-border advocates, she said: "[The bill] is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."[40]

    On April 5, speaking to the US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, Clinton said her work for her New York constituents could fall afoul of the bill since some of her constituents are undocumented immigrants. "I realize I would be a criminal, too. My staff would be criminal. We help people with all kinds of problems."[41]

    In September 2006, Clinton voted for the Secure Fence Act, authorizing the construction of 700 miles of fencing along the United States–Mexico border.

    Iraq

    On August 22, 2007, Clinton credited the troop surge and related new tactics with helping to produce the Anbar Awakening in Al Anbar Governorate,[72] but said that overall the increase in troops had not met stated goals: "The surge was designed to give the Iraqi government time to take steps to ensure a political solution. It has failed."[72] Furthermore, Clinton, following the lead of Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin, called on the Iraqi Parliament to replace Nouri al-Maliki as Prime Minister of Iraq with "a less divisive and more unifying figure," saying that Maliki had failed to make progress in bridging differences between the hostile factions within Iraq: "Iraqi leaders have not met their own political benchmarks to share power, modify the de-Baathification laws, pass an oil law, schedule provincial elections, and amend their constitution."[73] (Four days later, Maliki responded angrily to the suggestion, saying, "There are American officials who consider Iraq as if it were one of their villages, for example Hillary Clinton and Carl Levin. This is severe interference in our domestic affairs. Carl Levin and Hillary Clinton are from the Democratic Party and they must demonstrate democracy. I ask them to come to their senses and to talk in a respectful way about Iraq."[74])

    By late November 2007, with still more evidence that the surge and other tactics and developments had led to a significant lessening of the civil violence in Iraq,[75] Clinton acknowledged the successes but said that the underlying equation had not changed: "Our troops are the best in the world; if you increase their numbers they are going to make a difference. The fundamental point here is that the purpose of the surge was to create space for political reconciliation and that has not happened, and there is no indication that it is going to happen, or that the Iraqis will meet the political benchmarks. We need to stop refereeing their civil war and start getting out of it."[76] She also sent an open letter to President Bush, expressing concern about a possibly permanent U.S. base-level presence in Iraq: "To be clear, attempts to establish permanent bases in Iraq would damage U.S. interests in Iraq and the broader region, and I will continue to strongly oppose such efforts."[77] Clinton remained generally unwilling to commit to how long U.S. troops would remain in Iraq if she were president.

    Gun control

    Hillary Clinton favors "sensible gun control legislation" and not limiting gun control lawsuits. [94] She made gun control issues part of her 2000 Senate campaign.[95]

    Hillary Clinton was one of 16 Senators who voted against the 2006 Vitter Amendment, which prohibits the funding of the confiscation of lawfully-held firearms during a disaster.

    Abortion

    Clinton has expressed that she is personally opposed to abortion, but she does not believe it should be illegal.[99]

    Clinton has been a staunch supporter of the legal right of a woman to end her pregnancy by abortion as determined in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision of 1973. Clinton believes that the acceptance and availability of birth control and sex education will reduce unwanted pregnancies and the number of abortions.

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    I really do not believe Hillary's stance on free trade.. now THAT is socialist

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    I don't think a socialist would be for legalizing marijuana, being the only presidential candidate to vote against the Patriot act, (please look it up if you dont know what it is) keep abortion legal AND support same sex marriage.

    You have to pick your poison here, I don't think any one candidate hits the nail on the head with every issue so you have to decide whats most important, Iraq or Gun Control.. the confederate flag or legalized abortion.

    Glad to hear he voted against the patriot act, and yes i know what it is. I would agree you have to pick your poison with every candidate, which really sucks because all of these issues are extremely important to me. And gun control vs Iraq is a hard one. the way I see gun control is the first step from removing our constitutional rights, its a way of getting their foot in the door so to speak when it comes to removing our rights as Americans. On the other hand retreat in Iraq is unacceptable, and it is never wise decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BABY J
    Then pack ur sh*t - he will not be elected. Sorry.
    It's people like you that ensure this country's demise. Thinking that this country's only suitable presidential candidate "won't get elected" because of whatever reason. America needs to wake the **** up and realize whats going on, and realize that all these ****s running for president will only make our country worse than what it is. Ron Paul is our only hope, and im going to do what i can to spread the word about him and make sure people use their vote for him, beacause i like living in america.. but not if we lose our constitutional rights. There's no way he WONT Get elected president if people actually VOTE For him. Watch any of his debates.. the only person with a logical answer every single time.. he never steers from his veiws and he never backs down, and he stands for whats right in this country. You as a free american should be doing wat you can to make sure the right person get's elected, and stop with the negative "he won't get elected cuz blah blah" bull****. WAKE THE **** UP. HE'LL GET ELECTED IF THE PEOPLE ELECT HIM. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, WE CHOOSE OUR LEADER.

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    Senator Hillary Clinton



    Energy policy

    Clinton supports energy conservation, releasing oil reserves, increasing the number of hydrogen-powered vehicles, and ratification of the Kyoto Protocol. She opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Bush administration's energy policy.[5]

    Clinton introduced a plan to Congress to create a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development, and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels, and more.

    Free-market capitalism

    When asked if she agreed with the quote from Alan Arenholt that she used in her book, It Takes a Village: "The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."[7] Hillary replied that

    "I believe that. That's why I put it in the book...And I just believe that there's got to be a healthy tension among all of our institutions in society, and that the market is the driving force behind our prosperity, our freedom in so many respects to make our lives our own but that it cannot be permitted just to run roughshod over people's lives as well."

    Health Care


    In September 2007, as part of her presidential campaign, Clinton revealed her new American Health Choices Plan, an "individual mandate" universal health care plan that would require health care coverage for all individuals. Clinton explained individuals can keep their current employer-based coverage, or choose an expanded version of Medicare or federal employee health plans.[18][19] The projected cost of the plan is $110 billion annually and will require all employers to cover their employees' health insurance or contribute to the costs of their employees' health insurance coverage; tax credits will be provided to companies with fewer than 25 employees to help cover costs.

    Immigration

    On March 8, 2006, she strongly criticized H.R. 4437, a bill passed by the House of Representatives in December 2005 and sent to the Senate, that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers. Clinton called the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for" and said it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do." She believed the solution to the illegal immigration problem was to make "a path to earned citizenship for those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, respecting the law, and willing to meet a high bar for becoming a citizen."[39]

    On March 27, Clinton again vowed to block the bill. Speaking to a New York group of open-border advocates, she said: "[The bill] is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself."[40]

    On April 5, speaking to the US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, Clinton said her work for her New York constituents could fall afoul of the bill since some of her constituents are undocumented immigrants. "I realize I would be a criminal, too. My staff would be criminal. We help people with all kinds of problems."[41]

    In September 2006, Clinton voted for the Secure Fence Act, authorizing the construction of 700 miles of fencing along the United States–Mexico border.

    Iraq

    On August 22, 2007, Clinton credited the troop surge and related new tactics with helping to produce the Anbar Awakening in Al Anbar Governorate,[72] but said that overall the increase in troops had not met stated goals: "The surge was designed to give the Iraqi government time to take steps to ensure a political solution. It has failed."[72] Furthermore, Clinton, following the lead of Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin, called on the Iraqi Parliament to replace Nouri al-Maliki as Prime Minister of Iraq with "a less divisive and more unifying figure," saying that Maliki had failed to make progress in bridging differences between the hostile factions within Iraq: "Iraqi leaders have not met their own political benchmarks to share power, modify the de-Baathification laws, pass an oil law, schedule provincial elections, and amend their constitution."[73] (Four days later, Maliki responded angrily to the suggestion, saying, "There are American officials who consider Iraq as if it were one of their villages, for example Hillary Clinton and Carl Levin. This is severe interference in our domestic affairs. Carl Levin and Hillary Clinton are from the Democratic Party and they must demonstrate democracy. I ask them to come to their senses and to talk in a respectful way about Iraq."[74])

    By late November 2007, with still more evidence that the surge and other tactics and developments had led to a significant lessening of the civil violence in Iraq,[75] Clinton acknowledged the successes but said that the underlying equation had not changed: "Our troops are the best in the world; if you increase their numbers they are going to make a difference. The fundamental point here is that the purpose of the surge was to create space for political reconciliation and that has not happened, and there is no indication that it is going to happen, or that the Iraqis will meet the political benchmarks. We need to stop refereeing their civil war and start getting out of it."[76] She also sent an open letter to President Bush, expressing concern about a possibly permanent U.S. base-level presence in Iraq: "To be clear, attempts to establish permanent bases in Iraq would damage U.S. interests in Iraq and the broader region, and I will continue to strongly oppose such efforts."[77] Clinton remained generally unwilling to commit to how long U.S. troops would remain in Iraq if she were president.

    Gun control

    Hillary Clinton favors "sensible gun control legislation" and not limiting gun control lawsuits. [94] She made gun control issues part of her 2000 Senate campaign.[95]

    Hillary Clinton was one of 16 Senators who voted against the 2006 Vitter Amendment, which prohibits the funding of the confiscation of lawfully-held firearms during a disaster.

    Abortion

    Clinton has expressed that she is personally opposed to abortion, but she does not believe it should be illegal.[99]

    Clinton has been a staunch supporter of the legal right of a woman to end her pregnancy by abortion as determined in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision of 1973. Clinton believes that the acceptance and availability of birth control and sex education will reduce unwanted pregnancies and the number of abortions.
    I've had the misfortune of meeting hillary clinton, and bill, and i must say, i've never met more lifeless human beings in my life. I shook their hand and felt nothing.. it was like a black hole. They're good at faking.. just like bush was/is. She is by far, the worst candidate in United States History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeDFuNk
    It's people like you that ensure this country's demise. Thinking that this country's only suitable presidential candidate "won't get elected" because of whatever reason. America needs to wake the **** up and realize whats going on, and realize that all these ****s running for president will only make our country worse than what it is. Ron Paul is our only hope, and im going to do what i can to spread the word about him and make sure people use their vote for him, beacause i like living in america.. but not if we lose our constitutional rights. There's no way he WONT Get elected president if people actually VOTE For him. Watch any of his debates.. the only person with a logical answer every single time.. he never steers from his veiws and he never backs down, and he stands for whats right in this country. You as a free american should be doing wat you can to make sure the right person get's elected, and stop with the negative "he won't get elected cuz blah blah" bull****. WAKE THE **** UP. HE'LL GET ELECTED IF THE PEOPLE ELECT HIM. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, WE CHOOSE OUR LEADER.
    good luck junior but the primaries are like a month away and its almost impossible for him to come up that quick to take out three of the leading republicans who have the money vault to keep going strong. yea you like our country because we choose the leader, well sadly to say most people don't look at the facts they go by campaign attacks they see on televison because they are lazy and ron paul i think he is a good candidate too but he doesn't have the MONEY to keep it going. statistically the past couple of years the person elected for president was in the top 3 in fundraising from the beginning to the end. oh yea and another thing going against paul is the two states whose primaries generally predict the parties elect both have paul running fourth in the sample polls.


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    I am not joking when I say this but I really think hillary is a lesbian and her marriage to Bill is strictly political. I think the Lewinski thing pissed her off more for the fear that it may have ruined her presidential campaign or it could've been the strategy all along. Joe Biden coming up next

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    Senator Joe Biden
    Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. (born November 20, 1942) is an American lawyer and politician from Wilmington, Delaware. He is a member of the Democratic Party and the incumbent senior U.S. Senator from Delaware. Biden is currently serving his sixth term and is sixth-longest serving among current Senators (fourth among Democrats) and Delaware's longest-serving Senator. He is the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in the 110th Congress. Biden has served in that position in the past, and he has served as Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

    Crime

    Joe Biden has been given a 71% approval rating from Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE) indicating a pro-rehab record on crime. He voted in support of funding for the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program but voted against limiting death penalty appeals indicating his opposition to the death penalty. He voted for heavier punishments for hate crimes and supports a Federal Bureau of Investigation registry for sex offenders.

    Energy


    Biden opposes drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and supports governmental funding to find new energy sources.

    Biden believes action must be taken on global warming. He supports the creation of a new treaty on climate change that would require emissions reductions from developing countries such as Brazil, India, China, and Mexico. He has also stated his support for investment in technologies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, as well as the creation of a "cap and trade" system. Biden supports the promotion of renewable energy, including ethanol and other biodiesel fuels.

    Gun control

    Biden was given an F by the National Rifle Association (NRA) showing a pro-gun control voting record. He supports reinstating a Federal ban on semi-automatic firearms and voted no against prohibition of lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

    Immigration

    Biden supported President George W. Bush's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill. He supports guest-worker visas, and the building of a wall along the border. He voted to provide Social Security to illegal immigrants and supports a path to citizenship.

    Homeland security

    Biden supported the PATRIOT Act but voted to limit wiretapping on the bill. He supports implementing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations to fight terrorists but voted to preserve habeas corpus rights to the alleged terrorists serving in Guantanamo Bay. In the 1990s he voted in favor of 36 vetoed military projects and supports efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation. He was given a 60% approval rating from the American Civil Liberties Union reflecting a mixed voting record on civil rights issues. During a debate on November 15, 2007 Biden clarified the factuality of the PATRIOT Act and his continued support for it and his opposition to racial profiling.

    Iraq

    Biden voted in favor of the invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. He has since said that he believes it was a mistake to support the Iraq war because it has been mismanaged by the Bush Administration. He supports a five-step plan to get victory and remove troops from Iraq.


    1. Establish One Iraq, with Three Regions
    Federalize Iraq in accordance with its constitution by establishing three largely autonomous regions - Shiite, Sunni and Kurd -- with a strong but limited central government in Baghdad
    Put the central government in charge of truly common interests: border defense, foreign policy, oil production and revenues
    Form regional governments -- Kurd, Sunni and Shiite -- responsible for administering their own regions

    2. Share Oil Revenues
    Gain agreement for the federal solution from the Sunni Arabs by guaranteeing them 20 percent of all present and future oil revenues -- an amount roughly proportional to their size -- which would make their region economically viable
    Empower the central government to set national oil policy and distribute the revenues, which would attract needed foreign investment and reinforce each community's interest in keeping Iraq intact and protecting the oil infrastructure

    3. Convene International Conference, Enforce Regional Non-Aggression Pact
    Convene with the U.N. a regional security conference where Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, pledge to support Iraq's power sharing agreement and respect Iraq's borders
    Engage Iraq's neighbors directly to overcome their suspicions and focus their efforts on stabilizing Iraq, not undermining it
    Create a standing Contact Group, to include the major powers, that would engage Iraq's neighbors and enforce their commitments

    4. Responsibly Drawdown US Troops

    Direct U.S. military commanders to develop a plan to withdraw and re-deploy almost all U.S. forces from Iraq by the end of 2007

    Maintain in or near Iraq a small residual force -- perhaps 20,000 troops -- to strike any concentration of terrorists, help keep Iraq's neighbors honest and train its security forces

    5. Increase Reconstruction Assistance and Create a Jobs Program Provide more reconstruction assistance, conditioned on the protection of minority and women's rights and the establishment of a jobs program to give Iraqi youth an alternative to the militia and criminal gangs. Insist that other countries take the lead in funding reconstruction by making good on old commitments and providing new ones -- especially the oil-rich Arab Gulf countries

    Economic Issues

    Biden is against the Bush administration's tax cuts and would "take back one year of the tax cuts for Americans who make over a million dollars a year, and put this money in a dedicated Homeland Security and Public Safety Trust Fund to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations and invest in law enforcement."[13] Biden supports a balanced budget amendment.

    Biden was given a 32% approval rating from the United States Chamber of Commerce. He favors taking burdens off corporations to prevent outsourcing. He voted yes on repealing tax subsidies for companies that outsource jobs and yes on restrictions on personal bankruptcy.

    Biden cites high health care and energy costs as two major threats to the prosperty of American businesses, and believes that addressing these issues will improve American economic competitiveness.[14] Biden was given a 100% approval rating from AFL-CIO indicating a heavily pro-union voting record. Biden was given a 42% approval rating from the Cato Institute, revealing a mixed record on free trade. He opposed the Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) but supports normalizing relations with China, Vietnam and the Andean nations. He opposes free trade agreements with Oman, Singapore, and Chile.

    Biden was given a 100% approval rating from the American Public Health Association (APHA). He supports funding for health care to allow all people access.Biden is opposed to the privatization of social security and was given an 89% approval rating from the Alliance for Retired Americans (ARA), reflecting a pro-senior citizen voting record. Voted in support of welfare block grants and supports welfare reform.

    To protect jobs, compete in a global economy and strengthen families Joe Biden believes the next President must first address two things: energy security and health care. This is not our father's economy - America now competes in a global economy. The price of energy is set by the global marketplace. Developing our own sources of energy aren't enough to protect us from high prices that cost businesses and families -- we must invest in using energy more efficiently and become the leader in energy innovation. By 2008, the average Fortune 500 company will spend as much on health care as it will make in profit. In other countries their competitors will not have to bear these costs. Joe Biden believes America will continue to dominate the global economy by putting energy security and health care reform at the top of the agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony

    Senator Joe Biden
    Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. (born November 20, 1942) is an American lawyer and politician from Wilmington, Delaware. He is a member of the Democratic Party and the incumbent senior U.S. Senator from Delaware. Biden is currently serving his sixth term and is sixth-longest serving among current Senators (fourth among Democrats) and Delaware's longest-serving Senator. He is the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in the 110th Congress. Biden has served in that position in the past, and he has served as Chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

    Crime

    Joe Biden has been given a 71% approval rating from Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE) indicating a pro-rehab record on crime. He voted in support of funding for the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program but voted against limiting death penalty appeals indicating his opposition to the death penalty. He voted for heavier punishments for hate crimes and supports a Federal Bureau of Investigation registry for sex offenders.

    Energy


    Biden opposes drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and supports governmental funding to find new energy sources.

    Biden believes action must be taken on global warming. He supports the creation of a new treaty on climate change that would require emissions reductions from developing countries such as Brazil, India, China, and Mexico. He has also stated his support for investment in technologies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, as well as the creation of a "cap and trade" system. Biden supports the promotion of renewable energy, including ethanol and other biodiesel fuels.

    Gun control

    Biden was given an F by the National Rifle Association (NRA) showing a pro-gun control voting record. He supports reinstating a Federal ban on semi-automatic firearms and voted no against prohibition of lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

    Immigration

    Biden supported President George W. Bush's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill. He supports guest-worker visas, and the building of a wall along the border. He voted to provide Social Security to illegal immigrants and supports a path to citizenship.

    Homeland security

    Biden supported the PATRIOT Act but voted to limit wiretapping on the bill. He supports implementing the 9/11 Commission's recommendations to fight terrorists but voted to preserve habeas corpus rights to the alleged terrorists serving in Guantanamo Bay. In the 1990s he voted in favor of 36 vetoed military projects and supports efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation. He was given a 60% approval rating from the American Civil Liberties Union reflecting a mixed voting record on civil rights issues. During a debate on November 15, 2007 Biden clarified the factuality of the PATRIOT Act and his continued support for it and his opposition to racial profiling.

    Iraq

    Biden voted in favor of the invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. He has since said that he believes it was a mistake to support the Iraq war because it has been mismanaged by the Bush Administration. He supports a five-step plan to get victory and remove troops from Iraq.


    1. Establish One Iraq, with Three Regions
    Federalize Iraq in accordance with its constitution by establishing three largely autonomous regions - Shiite, Sunni and Kurd -- with a strong but limited central government in Baghdad
    Put the central government in charge of truly common interests: border defense, foreign policy, oil production and revenues
    Form regional governments -- Kurd, Sunni and Shiite -- responsible for administering their own regions

    2. Share Oil Revenues
    Gain agreement for the federal solution from the Sunni Arabs by guaranteeing them 20 percent of all present and future oil revenues -- an amount roughly proportional to their size -- which would make their region economically viable
    Empower the central government to set national oil policy and distribute the revenues, which would attract needed foreign investment and reinforce each community's interest in keeping Iraq intact and protecting the oil infrastructure

    3. Convene International Conference, Enforce Regional Non-Aggression Pact
    Convene with the U.N. a regional security conference where Iraq's neighbors, including Iran, pledge to support Iraq's power sharing agreement and respect Iraq's borders
    Engage Iraq's neighbors directly to overcome their suspicions and focus their efforts on stabilizing Iraq, not undermining it
    Create a standing Contact Group, to include the major powers, that would engage Iraq's neighbors and enforce their commitments

    4. Responsibly Drawdown US Troops

    Direct U.S. military commanders to develop a plan to withdraw and re-deploy almost all U.S. forces from Iraq by the end of 2007

    Maintain in or near Iraq a small residual force -- perhaps 20,000 troops -- to strike any concentration of terrorists, help keep Iraq's neighbors honest and train its security forces

    5. Increase Reconstruction Assistance and Create a Jobs Program Provide more reconstruction assistance, conditioned on the protection of minority and women's rights and the establishment of a jobs program to give Iraqi youth an alternative to the militia and criminal gangs. Insist that other countries take the lead in funding reconstruction by making good on old commitments and providing new ones -- especially the oil-rich Arab Gulf countries

    Economic Issues

    Biden is against the Bush administration's tax cuts and would "take back one year of the tax cuts for Americans who make over a million dollars a year, and put this money in a dedicated Homeland Security and Public Safety Trust Fund to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations and invest in law enforcement."[13] Biden supports a balanced budget amendment.

    Biden was given a 32% approval rating from the United States Chamber of Commerce. He favors taking burdens off corporations to prevent outsourcing. He voted yes on repealing tax subsidies for companies that outsource jobs and yes on restrictions on personal bankruptcy.

    Biden cites high health care and energy costs as two major threats to the prosperty of American businesses, and believes that addressing these issues will improve American economic competitiveness.[14] Biden was given a 100% approval rating from AFL-CIO indicating a heavily pro-union voting record. Biden was given a 42% approval rating from the Cato Institute, revealing a mixed record on free trade. He opposed the Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) but supports normalizing relations with China, Vietnam and the Andean nations. He opposes free trade agreements with Oman, Singapore, and Chile.

    Biden was given a 100% approval rating from the American Public Health Association (APHA). He supports funding for health care to allow all people access.Biden is opposed to the privatization of social security and was given an 89% approval rating from the Alliance for Retired Americans (ARA), reflecting a pro-senior citizen voting record. Voted in support of welfare block grants and supports welfare reform.

    To protect jobs, compete in a global economy and strengthen families Joe Biden believes the next President must first address two things: energy security and health care. This is not our father's economy - America now competes in a global economy. The price of energy is set by the global marketplace. Developing our own sources of energy aren't enough to protect us from high prices that cost businesses and families -- we must invest in using energy more efficiently and become the leader in energy innovation. By 2008, the average Fortune 500 company will spend as much on health care as it will make in profit. In other countries their competitors will not have to bear these costs. Joe Biden believes America will continue to dominate the global economy by putting energy security and health care reform at the top of the agenda

    based on this info..... he sucks at life as well..... i really dont think that there is any candidate that comes ANYWHERE close to ron paul. unfortunately theres too many dumb idiots in this country.

    ron paul is good for everyone. he is against the war, he is pro life, he is a constitutionalist, he is pro gun, he is going to abolish the IRS and make people responsible for their own actions..... hes going to make things the way they SHOULD be.....


    no one else will..... they are all in the running for their own personal reasons and they dont give a **** about you.
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    If a Republican wins again... I'm moving to Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    based on this info..... he sucks at life as well..... i really dont think that there is any candidate that comes ANYWHERE close to ron paul. unfortunately theres too many dumb idiots in this country.

    ron paul is good for everyone. he is against the war, he is pro life, he is a constitutionalist, he is pro gun, he is going to abolish the IRS and make people responsible for their own actions..... hes going to make things the way they SHOULD be.....


    no one else will..... they are all in the running for their own personal reasons and they dont give a **** about you.

    If i remember correctly, Pauls approach to ending the war is brainless and ignorant. Just about everything else about him i like, I need to research his stance a little more, but I am fairly confident i remember a couple of his comments regard ending the war, they were less than intelligent. He seems to be a decent economist, from some of the topics i have seen him speak on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clegger
    If a Republican wins again... I'm moving to Ireland
    so what are the democrats so great at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    so what are the democrats so great at?
    hmm not starting wars but FINISHING THEM!

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