Best Boosted B-series?

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08-17-2006, 10:58 AM
Turbogixxer

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Am i sposed to go by what HT says?

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Am i sposed to go by what HT says? im sorry but personal experience means alot then "i heard someone did this". what i meant was i cant tell you that YOUR wrong cause obviously there is a select few that have made over 300whp for awhile, an you cant tell me im wrong because i have seen cars make over that an blow up.

The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

I dont know about you, but id rather go from personal experience than follow the crowd.

I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person :)

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

that would be YOUR personal experience, you say its reliable, i think for a customer to ask me "is 300whp on a stock motor reliable" i would have to say no, from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:

Lances b16 turbo 10psi popped ringlands the second he went above 12psi
Jerrys ITR (same ringlands as b16 pistons) popped 1 month after he boosted it at 10psi
Mikes 2000 civic si blew within 1 week of 8psi of boost (popped ringlands)
Kevins b16 exploded a valve with a 75 shot of nitrous
Seans 00 Civic si popped after 3 months, ringlands collapsed
Reggies B16 DA popped ringlands after 2 weeks of 10psi

That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

1 detonation on a CAST pistons at 12-18psi, and the motor is DONE.

This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Now you say its reliable. well when you run a shop, and have to stand behind your statements, you might think differently. I would not feel good telling someone "so an so says 350whp is reliable, so lets do that", then after 2 months it grenades cause i know there is a good possibility that it will. Id rather tell them 280whp is reliable, an to enjoy it until they want to really push it.

Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

LOL an what else would you like me to use? a uego? PLX? HONDATA? our dyno wideband is MUCH more accurate than any other wideband, sorry. Matter of fact, we tuned a KPRO car last week, an his wideband on hondata was 1.5 points OFF from our dyno on the LEAN side. so had we used his wideband, it would have probably gotten us in trouble. We replace our wideband every 3-6 months, i HIGHLY doubt regular customers replace it that often.

Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. :) Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.
08-17-2006, 11:13 AM
Vteckidd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbogixxer

Nope, but the point I am making. I am not the only one that is doing this. So, lets look at this for a bit.

You are saying you can not go over 230whp on a stock B16 without have problems. But, yet, other people have no problems (inculding me and my personal experience). You are the only that is seeming to have the problem, not other people.

Wrong, i said i wouldnt ADVISE going over 230whp on a STOCK BLOCK b16, weak ringlands tend to crumble. I wouldnt advise it, if Ed tuned it, Evans tuned it, or god himself, i wouldnt advise it.

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The fact that I have done the same or better then what they are saying, I would say I am backed up with facts.
I learn from other peoples mistakes as well as my own. I do not have a ego to get in the way of being a open minded person :)

no ego here sir, just facts.

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That means nothing, you know why? no specs on the set-up or WHP numbers.

Basic T3 turbos for the most part on all those. 220-240whp setups, some having as little as 10k miles (ITR) others having over 100k.

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This statement right here shows what you know about tuning and turbocharging in general.

Please , enlighten me. Detonation on a cast piston will destroy it, if you think you can having a TUNED car on the dyno saves tyou from detonation, you have alot to learn likewise. If someone is running their stock b16 or gsr block at 12-18psi and they detonate on it, its GOING to 1) blow a hole in a piston 2) break the ringland off. thats FACTS, not speculation.

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as others had said in the thread, psi has nothing to do with the detonation, octane of fuel, ablitly for a motor to hold pressure.

Psi has NOTHING to do with deontation? hmmm, ever heard of CYLINDER TEMPS? EGTS? A boosted motor is MORE likely to detonate than an NA car, becuse of the added heat for the FORCED INDUCTION. are you kidding me? are we back to tuning 101? if you think detonation cant happen, go drive on one of our nice hot humid 100degree 99% humidity GA afternoons. If youd like me to get into load properties as a correlation to detonation i can do that too. when yor pushing a factory motor so far already, it takes less to blow it up.

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Hahah, too funny. I know nothing about that or how to talk/treat a customer

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i dont know who you are so.....

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Hondata has a wideband? I hope you are not using the stock k-series one.

Better question, why would you use a customers wideband? I use mine and mine only. :) Every dyno I have ever been on, has had a different reading. Even if I go to the same dyno, it is off.

ok you just said that

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I really do not care about your a/f charts, because the odds are they are measured on the dyno wideband.

I didnt say we USED his wideband, i said we noticed his wideband was off compared to ours. meaning, if he had used his wideband to tune on the street , he prob would have gotten in trouble.
08-17-2006, 11:30 AM
Vteckidd

bottom line is i personally wouldnt reccomend it.

best B series to boost, GSR/ thread
08-17-2006, 11:52 AM
Turbogixxer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Wrong, i said i wouldnt ADVISE going over 230whp on a STOCK BLOCK b16, weak ringlands tend to crumble. I wouldnt advise it, if Ed tuned it, Evans tuned it, or god himself, i wouldnt advise it.

Honsetly, that is cool. If you feel your tuner and you are not capible of doing something, that is great.

But, do not act like you are a god in the subject and try to push people down that are giving real world data.

Before you go: "I said advise, not we could not do it", the fact is, you are not comfortable with going over a certain WHP (not psi). The fact that I have tuned cars way over your "limit" and over your "6 months" rule speaks volumes. This is not from a website, this is real world.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

no ego here sir, just facts.

hmm..

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

you cant tell me im wrong when i have PERSONAL experieince.

Watch out F1, this guy has personal experience.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Basic T3 turbos for the most part on all those. 220-240whp setups, some having as little as 10k miles (ITR) others having over 100k.

Doesn't that throw your "do not over 230whp" theory off? I mean, 220 is less then 230, right? If you state, do not go over 230, then 230 is fine, right?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Please , enlighten me. Detonation on a cast piston will destroy it, if you think you can having a TUNED car on the dyno saves tyou from detonation, you have alot to learn likewise. If someone is running their stock b16 or gsr block at 12-18psi and they detonate on it, its GOING to 1) blow a hole in a piston 2) break the ringland off. thats FACTS, not speculation.

Come on, You can not be that dumb.

You are basicly stating, 12-18 psi in the same in every turbo. Shit, I better call the stock gsr I tuned at 20 psi. I hope the last 9 months he has not been driving around with a hole in his piston or a cracked ringland.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

Psi has NOTHING to do with deontation? hmmm, ever heard of CYLINDER TEMPS? EGTS? A boosted motor is MORE likely to detonate than an NA car, becuse of the added heat for the FORCED INDUCTION. are you kidding me? are we back to tuning 101? if you think detonation cant happen, go drive on one of our nice hot humid 100degree 99% humidity GA afternoons. If youd like me to get into load properties as a correlation to detonation i can do that too. when yor pushing a factory motor so far already, it takes less to blow it up.

You are correct in a cerain part. But you are confusing PSI of a turbo with cylinder pressure. PSi of a turbo is independant of the size of the turbo, so you can not say that 12-18 psi of turbo pressure has the same cylinder pressure (read: heat) for all turbos.

Maybe you should learn about EFI. See, most systems see a difference in ATM, manifold pressure and/or air flow, air density, coolant tempersure and can make a change (not saying it is great, because it is user input) (BTW, fuel and timing too). If it is tuned correctly, I do not see a problem, do you?

All to most of the cars I tune are in that same weather you are in if not worse.
08-17-2006, 11:57 AM
Vteckidd

your dealing with absolutions, not using common sense.

its kool, id love to sit here and ebate more, but i have a business to run, an more cars to tune, or try to tune LOL

cheers
08-17-2006, 01:09 PM
Shawn

I would love to see this topic on HT so big name tuners could flame the shit out of you.
08-17-2006, 01:13 PM
Vteckidd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn

I notice a trend, everyone agrees except for vteckidd, hmmm. I would love to see this topic on HT so big name tuners could flame the shit out of you. Oh well, i guess GA's scene is that shitty that people are gonna listen to you and your "only 230 hp is safe" claim. :sigh:

:lmfao:
08-17-2006, 01:16 PM
Vteckidd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn

I notice a trend, everyone agrees except for vteckidd, hmmm. I would love to see this topic on HT so big name tuners could flame the shit out of you. Oh well, i guess GA's scene is that shitty that people are gonna listen to you and your "only 230 hp is safe" claim. :sigh:

an then again i suppose you think this is a good looking graph without detonation:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Picture001.jpg
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Vteckidd

its ok an its over with.

i stil lstand behind my statements, and you guys are entitled to your opinions.

Best motor to boost, GSR

/thread
08-17-2006, 02:01 PM
B18c1Turboed

Mike thats a bitch move to make to lock a thread becasue you cant handle a debate. Quit being a puss and locking threads if they dont go your way.or if people with sense talk back too you!!!
08-17-2006, 02:06 PM
1/4Mile

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

its ok an its over with.

Best motor to boost, GSR

/thread

Mike, You know what? I don't how much better you could have said it:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
08-17-2006, 02:08 PM
Vteckidd

Quote:

Originally Posted by B18c1Turboed

Mike thats a bitch move to make to lock a thread becasue you cant handle a debate. Quit being a puss and locking threads if they dont go your way.or if people with sense talk back too you!!!

no the topic is over, no one is saying anything new.

discussion or debate is over.

locked AGAIN
08-17-2006, 02:11 PM
B18c1Turboed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

no the topic is over, no one is saying anything new.

discussion or debate is over.

locked AGAIN

Thats the stupidest thing you could say, you know how much garbage is on IA and you lock the one topic that people other than you have knowledge in, that a childish move, topic debate it dont matter people are posting and you go lock it becasue we dont agree with you!!
08-17-2006, 02:12 PM
Vteckidd

no people started making personal attacks, thats when i locked it.

when it goes from a discussion to personal an shop attacks, the thread is over. I never said anything bad about shops or tuners, your camp did.

But regardless, its all the same shit tahts being posted, nothing NEW is being said. so there is no need to banter on

call it all you want, it still stays locked
08-17-2006, 02:14 PM
B18c1Turboed

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

no people started making personal attacks, thats when i locked it.

when it goes from a discussion to personal an shop attacks, the thread is over.

call it all you want, it still stays locked

Personal attaqck your the one dragging all these shops and Ed into this, and posting your dyno and giving your shop experiences. Cant blame people for debating something that they know more about than you!! Im sorry i personally know kenny and he has tuned alot of car so obviously he knows what he talking about,STIll a BITCH MOVE!!

As much BULLSHIT IS on IA,u lock a topic that people actually ahve common sense on!! Im sorry your not turbo god.You dont know all the in and outs of it how many turbo cars ahve you personally built or TUNED!!
08-17-2006, 02:19 PM
B18c1Turboed

AND THE TOPIC WAS BEST BOOSTED B SERIES MOTOR?

It didnt say is a B16 good too boost!!
08-17-2006, 02:28 PM
Vteckidd

fine ill leave it unlocked, flame away.

but in the end, ITS MY OPINION vs YOUR OPINION, neither one is wrong.

i really have devoted too much time to this thread arguing over shit that doesnt matter and it wont change anyones opinions.

Think im wrong, or stupid, thats fine, but get in line, cause my waiting list is really long (for the shop that is)

:cheers:

Love mike, official laast post in this thread
08-17-2006, 02:31 PM
Shawn

I say we post this on HT and see what other tuners think, because we only have 2 tuners posting in this thread, Turbogixxer and scttydb411. I personally would trust turbogixxer over scttydb411 cause it seems he is about making real power and not 230hp haha.

oh and BTW, the last thing I would do is go to your shop for anything, nor would I reccommend it to anyone :)
08-17-2006, 02:32 PM
RiceBoy

Well here is a GSR block....:D ..Tuned by ED senf from Balanced Performance just 2 wks ago.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/...963554dyno.jpg
08-17-2006, 02:34 PM
Shawn

Take that dyno down, its impossible, if Scotty hasnt broke 700hp yet than it is impossible!
08-17-2006, 02:34 PM
RiceBoy

Yeah by Ed Senf the tuning god himself....:D After only 8 runs...
08-17-2006, 02:35 PM
B18c1Turboed

Its funny that we can all make good Hp out of a STOCk gsr motor but when people say i dont recommend it, why not? Obviously it can handle it,i mean look at 3 cars on this topic in GA alone have made GREAT numbers on stock GSr motors!!
08-17-2006, 02:37 PM
Formally...

I don't care. Thanks
08-17-2006, 02:39 PM
Shawn

Keep bragging, im sure it helps your business. You can list what, like 7 or 8 cars your proud of? haha good job, we garage tuners can list more than that.
08-17-2006, 02:39 PM
Formally...

I don't care. Thanks.
08-17-2006, 02:40 PM
B18c1Turboed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Main Stream

630whp LS NON VTEC
628whp LSVTEC STOCK HEAD
500whp LSVTEC INTEGRA
440whp 1.8l INTEGRA
278whp STOCK GSR
;)

How many of those are still running? Reason i ask is MIke said he wouldnt push a car that hard!

And isnt there a diffrence from building a car and tuning it only? Reason i ask is becasue Spoolin spun a bearing how amny time 3 or 4?
08-17-2006, 02:41 PM
SPOOLIN

you guys are trashing my inbox. :D
08-17-2006, 02:41 PM
Shawn

Danny is making good points, too bad Mike doesnt wanna post again. Oh well, we all are gonna keep thinking the way we think, i just feel bad for the guys who talk to Mike and think 230hp is acceptable for a turbo setup
08-17-2006, 02:42 PM
B18c1Turboed

REMEMBER GUYS NO SHOP BASHING

Asking questions are fine tough!!:goodjob:
08-17-2006, 02:43 PM
Formally...

I don't care. Thanks.
08-17-2006, 02:44 PM
B18c1Turboed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn

Danny is making good points, too bad Mike doesnt wanna post again. Oh well, we all are gonna keep thinking the way we think, i just feel bad for the guys who talk to Mike and think 230hp is acceptable for a turbo setup

I dont know whty eighter we have proven the point over and over and showed dyno sheets of people making well over 320hp and 4 of them in GA!
08-17-2006, 02:46 PM
BTEC

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Originally Posted by Shawn

Take that dyno down, its impossible, if Scotty hasnt broke 700hp yet than it is impossible!

THATS WAS A WEAK COMMENT.

YAWL ARGUE TOO DAMN MUCH IN THIS FORUM AND THATS Y I HARDLEY EVER COMMENT IN HERE. YAWL ARE A BUNCH OF WHINNY BITCHIZ SUCKING ON OTHER PPL DICKS. GO TUNE SOEMTHING URSELF AND BRAG ABOUT IT ASSHOLE. ED IS A GREAT GUY IVE KNOW HIM FOR YEARS, SCOTTY IS COOL AS HELL AND HAS COME A LONG WAY TUNNING CARS AND HASNT BEEN DOING IT BUT FOR LIKE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR I THINK. BOTH GREAT GUYS AND IF I LET NE BODY TUNE MY CAR THEY WOULD BE THE ONLY 2 TO EVER TOUCH MY SHIT.

GIVE UR OPINION AND Y U THINK SADI MTR IS BETTER AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF A SHOP MADE MORE POWER THEN COOL. JUST STFU AFTER A WHILE. GET ON MY DAMN NERVES.
08-17-2006, 02:47 PM
Sammich

LIRL what happened this thread was suppose to be locked
08-17-2006, 02:48 PM
Formally...

I don't care. Thanks.
08-17-2006, 02:49 PM
BTEC

Quote:

Originally Posted by B18c1Turboed

How many of those are still running? Reason i ask is MIke said he wouldnt push a car that hard!

And isnt there a diffrence from building a car and tuning it only? Reason i ask is becasue Spoolin spun a bearing how amny time 3 or 4?

SPOOLIN BUILT HIS OWN MTR. SCOTTY TUNED IT

MY CAR IS STILL RUNNING AND I REACHED 9500 RPM'S SEVERAL TIMES. LOL!!!!
08-17-2006, 02:49 PM
BTEC

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatboislim

LIRL what happened this thread was suppose to be locked

IN B4 RELOCK OR DELETE. LOL!!!!!!!
08-17-2006, 02:52 PM
Shawn

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTEC

THATS WAS A WEAK COMMENT.

YAWL ARGUE TOO DAMN MUCH IN THIS FORUM AND THATS Y I HARDLEY EVER COMMENT IN HERE. YAWL ARE A BUNCH OF WHINNY BITCHIZ SUCKING ON OTHER PPL DICKS. GO TUNE SOEMTHING URSELF AND BRAG ABOUT IT ASSHOLE. ED IS A GREAT GUY IVE KNOW HIM FOR YEARS, SCOTTY IS COOL AS HELL AND HAS COME A LONG WAY TUNNING CARS AND HASNT BEEN DOING IT BUT FOR LIKE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR I THINK. BOTH GREAT GUYS AND IF I LET NE BODY TUNE MY CAR THEY WOULD BE THE ONLY 2 TO EVER TOUCH MY SHIT.

GIVE UR OPINION AND Y U THINK SADI MTR IS BETTER AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF A SHOP MADE MORE POWER THEN COOL. JUST STFU AFTER A WHILE. GET ON MY DAMN NERVES.

I have yet to see you make a valid point. Point of you post? The point of mine is 230hp is sad for a turbo setup! That was acceptable maybe in the late 90's. But given advances in tuning and equipment, people can reliably push the envelope and hit 300+, without problems. Im done posting, Ive proved my point, hopefully the people reading will realize the point me and others are trying to prove.
08-17-2006, 02:52 PM
Sammich

right right lol
08-17-2006, 02:52 PM
SPOOLIN

lol you cant bring up my rod bearing shit. MY CRANK WAS OUT OF ROUND MOTHER FUCKER, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIT. IT ALL STARTED FROM OVER REVVING AT THE FALL IMPORT SHOWDOWN 2005!! Something stupid i overlooked. I build my own motors, thats prolly more than i can say for most other people.
08-17-2006, 02:54 PM
B18c1Turboed

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Originally Posted by SPOOLIN

lol you cant bring up my rod bearing shit. MY CRANK WAS OUT OF ROUND MOTHER FUCKER, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIT.

Easy killer, i was just asking about how many where runing and had problems.

Oh and i could have sworn mike told me you used your old bearings thats why you spun one..OH WELL!!!

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