Heres a link to a sad story.
Guy spends $250k at Forged Performance (well known GT-R shop) and gets back a broken car. : Autos
Customer Spends $250,000 @ Forged Performance and gets broken car
Heres a link to a sad story.
Guy spends $250k at Forged Performance (well known GT-R shop) and gets back a broken car. : Autos
Wow, that's just crazy. Read the whole thread.
RIP Forged....
'82 TE72 SR5 Sport Coupe
3tc
Sue them for every penny you can.....Chadbee works for Forged RUTROE!
Chad Bee does not work for forged! HE quit month and months ago!
No excuses, it needs to be fixed..
GA shops need to step up, that goes to all the shops!!
And people should not be afraid to post an experience with any shop!
Yup my friend gave them over 50k and a brand new g37 with 1500 miles that they blew up.
Then shipped car to California to have another shop fix it and then made him pay
The other shop to get his car back! Forged is a joke!
where's teh story and not the commentary?
Edit:
Forged Performance: The Truth ! - Vendor Reviews - GT-R Life
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
read 40% of what was read scrolled down to the pics to see the fuckery..man...i'd expect that kind of fukery on a honda, why would they hack a R35 like that?!?! SMFH
I used them for several parts on my 350Z...I talked to Shariff ? ...many times and he was always a pleasure to talk with..
Sucks that happened....no one wins in that one
LS3 / Comp / Halltech / ARH / Powerdrive / OZ / Stoptech / Katech / B&B / VR Tuned
This is my boys g37 where they cut frame and a lot more
Forged Performance and my G37 TT build - MyG37
Ive never seen a tech that was like, over the age of 25 there. maybe things have changed? Back in the day Shariff had like $15$/hr kids working part time as his "techs"
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FYI Sharif responds on page 13
For those that have been patient and allow me to respond, I appreciate it. This is one of the busiest weeks for Forged Performance each year, with both OLOA and ZDAYZ happening over the next two weeks. When I was first informed of this thread by my staff, it was 3 pages long, and in just a few hours it's grown to 12. I advised my staff, customers, and friends to refrain from posting until I've had a chance to post my reply. In addition to reading Boxster's post carefully, I also skimmed through some of the comments. The review jumps around so I will do my best to respond. I will likely need to follow up with additional posts, some pictures and commentary of my own and so forth.
Todd's review is uncharacteristic of the type of work we perform here at Forged, because much of it isn't true and those that have done business with us know this. I started Forged back in 2004, and I've been an active part of the Nissan community for almost a decade. The body of our work and contributions to the community speaks for itself. We have almost 5000 happy customers and we continue to improve our level of service and performance each year. I acknowledge that we make mistakes from time to time but we are quick to make things right to the best of our ability. In areas where we've fallen short, I'll do whatever it takes to insure that our customers are happy. Clearly, Todd points out some areas where we have done a poor job. Those who performed this work are no longer working at Forged.
Unfortunately in this case with Todd, instead of allowing us to address every one of his concerns and issues at no charge, he elected to take his car to another shop. Not just any shop, but a shop with extreme animosity towards Forged Performance due to a employee/employer litigation that is still going. He then demanded a refund. If I didn't give him a refund, he told me it would get "ugly"...his words...not mine. He told me he would write a negative review and discredit me and my company. Since I don't negotiate when someone threatens me, I find myself here on the the public forums to share my side of this story. It's important that you all understand the context and some of the back-story that precipitated this post. First, Todd did not personally write this review. Someone wrote it on his behalf so let me clarify some of the missed points.
First, Todd did NOT spend $250K on this build. He has spent $250K with Forged over the past 4 years including 3 different builds, plus a couple sets of wheels, and tons of misc parts over the past FOUR years.
It's been said several times, that Todd's car took 22 months to complete. What he failed to point out, is that more than half of this delay was related to decisions that Todd made on the build plan for his car and changes that were made as we progressed. Cars that come to Forged with a defined and straightforward build plan are in and out very quickly. We preorder parts, segregate space in the shop and production calendar in order to minimize the turnaround time. But in the case of Todd's build, there was a constant stop/start process and parts changes and new directions that were initiated by the CUSTOMER...not by Forged. For instance, Todds car was up and running last summer. But after talking things over with Todd, he decided to wait on the Motec which we were told was just a few weeks out. I never said that a Motec is required, as I'd already tuned numerous cars into the 1000hp range with the Cobb AP. But MoTec offered some key features that Todd wanted and I was excited to tune the car with it. Ultimately, the decision is made by the customer, and we should not be blamed for that 6 month delay.
After building and tuning the car with the GT800 kit, Todd made the decision to have us build the engine, transmission and upgrade his turbos. After a few weeks went by, he then decided he wanted to go for REALLY big power. Keep in mind this was after we already sent the turbos off for upgrading which caused another 3 month delay. When we got the upgraded GT800 turbos back, then Todd changed his mind again and decided he wanted a turbo kit capable of 1200-1300whp with room to grow. When we discussed turbo kit options, the only other big turbo options were the Alpha 12, and the Boost Logic kits. (ETS big kits were not on the market back then). We determined that the Jun kit was the largest turbo kit currently available, running the big full size GTX35. Alpha 12 and Boost logic were on backorder several weeks, so we ordered the Jun kit. The Jun kit arrives and we wrap up Todd's engine. As we start unpacking and installing the turbo kit, we quickly realize that the kit is designed for a RHD GT-R. I immediately call Junichi at Jun, and he apologizes and said we can send the kit back for a refund. After I update Todd, I tell him we have a few options including returning the kit. But Todd didn't want wait for several more weeks until we could get a BL or AMS kit. So I told him we could modify the kit to fit a LHD car. He understood this would require quite a bit of additional labor (which I discounted by 50%), and would require permanent modifications to the kit and car. In the pictures he posted, BTW, those spacers on the exhaust and the chassis brace are NOT needed and were mistakenly left on the car during the mock-up stages.
The next point I want to address is the transmission. The transmission we built for him did not fail due to anything we did improperly. Todd's transmission broke due to a defective 4th gear, according to Todd himself. The manufacturer has agreed to supply a new gear. In fact over the phone, he said that he can't blame Forged for the transmission so I am curious why he is bringing this up on the thread.. I am sure something probably got lost in translation when the third part wrote this review. The clutches were installed correctly, as were the piston seals. The Promax clutch case can back out under loads so we apply a couple of spot welds to prevent this from happening. Dodson has since resigned the Promax seal threads so this process doesn't need to be done anymore.
With respect the engine build, yes, the first engine spun a bearing prior to delivery. The person who assembled that engine no longer works for Forged, and we see this as a good thing. The spun bearing was determined to be a combination of slightly tighter bearing clearances than we spec out, and lack of oil priming. All of our engines are primed with oil before we ever start the engine. This process was not done on your first engine. With regards to your first and second engine, the pistons were installed correctly. Perhaps your current shop should contact Arias so they can understand which way those arrows should face. I am in the process of inspecting your block, and I can assure you they are installed correctly. Todd was told that the oil pan was full of metal. I told Todd that is not possible as we changed the oil and cut open his oil filter before and after tuning which is our standard practice. Although I am not completely done with the short block inspection, there appears to be no signs of metal in the oil whatsoever. Yes, the sleeves have shifted and I will have the root cause of this in a few days. We stand behind our engines so if a machining error was made this will be addressed. To keep things moving, I have already provided a brand new OEM block and crank to Todd's current shop at no charge. If those of you reading this thread think that engines don't occasionally fail at other shops, you should think again. It's extremely rare, but it can happen. I think our engine track record both stock and built, is among the best in the industry. But I am trying to understand why Todd would tell me that his current shop said that the oil pan was "full of metal" when we see no signs at all of metal on this engine. His shop also performed a compression and leakdown test prior to engine removal and the engine checked out healthy.
Finally here is the email I sent Todd, even after he threatened to "go public" with his story.
Todd, we expect our customers to allow us to address any issues they may have with their car. This is a fundamental expectation that customers have with their tuning shop, and vice versa. If you have lost faith in us, that is your choice, but I cannot reimburse you for a complete turbo kit because you have changed your mind or want someone else to work on your car. You knew all throughout the process, that significant modifications would be needed to be made to make the kit fit a LHD drive car. The reason we used this kit, is because there were no other kits on the market that would meet your goals for power at the time we ordered the kit. Boost logic was months out, ETS wasn’t even making kits this large, Alpha 12 was too small [for the future power levels Todd wanted]. Yes, today, there are plenty of options, but that was not the case more than a year ago. You agreed with this process and were kept well informed as we proceeded. And I covered more than half of the costs associated with modifying the kit to fit. It made almost 1050whp on E85 at very mild boost levels.
I have always made every effort to provide excellent support and customer service. We talked and texted literally on a daily and sometimes hourly basis over the past few years. I cannot change how you feel about our work…I’ve already tried that. Regrettably, you have threatened to go public with some photos and your experience if I don’t return your turbo kit. I don’t like to be threatened or lied to, and you’ve done both. You assisted one of our competitors by providing confidential emails and other information that could use used to harm my company in a separate legal action unrelated to you. This does not sound like a customer or a friend that is trying to work towards a good-will resolution. I will use all resources possible to defend my company name and reputation that I have worked hard for 8 years to create. I would urge you to reconsider and let’s come up with a reasonable solution for this and move forward.
It doesn't go unnoticed that most of the people posting in Todd's thread have already made up their minds. But hopefully those that have an open mind, will see that standing behind work, requires the cooperation of the customer as well, and people working in good faith to come to a resolution. Unfortunately, Todd has decided to go a different direction. I even offered to address all issues and pay for a third party inspection when we were done. I will do my best to answer any legitimate questions posed. I hope we can all have cool heads and have a civilized discussion about this rather than personal attacks on me, and the company I've spent almost a decade building.
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He never mans up and accepts responsibility. I know when all that crab with Juan's car went on he blamed the tech that he fired. So he says!! Does he not inspect the car before giving it back to a customer? If someone is spending 250k I would want to keep them as happy as they can be. I think that whole shop is a joke and hope it burns to the ground like his shop he had in north Carolina did.
This is interesting.... I always thought Forged was better then this.
But the pictures are OBVIOUS signs of amateur work. Absolute shit work done on their part. No wonder Chad Bee left. I kind of suspect shit like this was the reason he walked away from Forged so quickly.
I know someone who works for Forged and is probably their best asset as a fabricator, and it looks like they didn't utilize him ONCE in any of those pictures! I can tell looking at the welds that they didn't even use anyone with fair experience with TIG.
On a side note, I've been very happy with Batleground as of late. I deal with them a bit. Don't spend a lot of money there and the dealings are quiet, but I've seen Justin and Hunter several times in the last few weeks and the professionalism out of that shop is above par.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy
This is what happens when you get too big for your britches!
I can name several early to mid 20s kids he had working for him that I would never let work on my car.
His response sounds canned. You're the owner, you're responsible for who you hire. He basically admits fault because of work done by a sub par tech he employs. He should pay for all repairs .
Topspeed has nothing to gain from trashing forged.
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Forged let people go, but some of those at Top Speed now... Hmmmmm, makes you wonder!!
In the end there is no excuse for shitty work from any "High-End" shop, if you fucked up then "PAY UP SUCKA"!!
Yeah Chad left them so they must suck ass lol
I'd advise against speculation on why chad left. He was a media guy, let's not cause drama for him.
There's usually two sides to the story, but sharif doesn't sound too convincing.
Wonder what the lawsuit is about
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I thought Forged was a site Sponsor but guess not since RG seen the thread and its still posted.
Forged threaten the guy with G37 with lawsuit also right?
Damn can these shops not man up and fix their "Fuck-Ups"!
Sinking fucking ship right there. Gone the way of Finshline, E&e performance and the like.
Try not. Do or Do not.
Sharif has money, he had money before he started Forged. They arent going anywhere.
Juans car was seriously fucked. I remember seeing it at Nalley (thats right, FORGED sent it to nalley when their "techs" couldnt figure something out on the car). It was a clusterfuck of a job.
They do turn out some sick cars, as evidenced by Chads media posts, but I think it depended on what mood the mid 20s tech was in that was working on your GTR that day. If his GF had whored around on him, you probably got a shitty job done.
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Yea they threaten Juan with a lawsuit. Even had a lawyer contact him
About defaming his company. But he was defaming anything he was posting
His expirence with the shop and showed prof of their work. I mean seriously who cuts a vin number
To mount something. Who cuts the frame of a car to make intercooler piping fit? So many more but
Those are the big ones. What makes forged a high end car shop? They work on gtrs although expensive cars
I don't consider them high end cars like lamborgini or Ferrari and so forth. I hope they loose their ass off in this lawsuit.
And sharif is a dumb ass to think the customer is responsible to bring the car back to him. Why? Obviously you show the quality of your work. It's funny that he thinks top speed is out to get him and make him look bad. Pictures speck for themselves. Top speed don't have to do anything buy post pictures of the quality of work.
the guy is a dumbass for spending 250k on his car in the first place
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tl;dr
The terribly sad story of someone spending a quarter of of a million dollars...on a Nissan.
Twisted Loop Racing
and yes I recognize the irony in my above post.
Twisted Loop Racing
If someone was spending $250k in my shop, the car probably would not leave my sight and i would be looking over the shoulder of anyone laying hands on it. I would then painstakingly inspect every detail of it prior to giving it back......
but...... the way he blamed it on someone else and shamelessly deflected all responsibility..... hell, he may be president one day.
People with $3500 s13s do................
not people with 1/4 million $ Skylines.
Sharif likes the lime light and prestige of owning a shop, and he seems very knowledgeable based on the few conversations I have had with him. But knowing and executing a plan are two different things.
I always questioned a shop that would hire some of the kids he had on staff. Especially with the $$ cars he was working on.
I suspect he knows that even despite this car he isn't going anywhere .
But future customers now know his defacto response to and crappy work is "well I fired them"
If you keep hiring crappy techs what does that say about him?
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Welp... It's made Jalopnik.
http://jalopnik.com/nissan-gt-r-owne...-tun-504630131
Seems like damage control has not been controlled lol.
Try not. Do or Do not.
I just read the Jalopnik site.. Can someone tell me what's wrong with the welds on Picture #16 ?
Im not a welder, so bare with me on the technical terms, but it looks like its way to puddled. Its not backpurged, and that is someone who doesnt weld for a living. Looks like the current is too high and he was too slow. It should be much more uniform than that, like this:
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Now on Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/man-who-spent-25...from-505814780
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
LOL sharif is a class A jackass. Some of these rich guys need to man up with a lawyer that teaches Forged that criticizing a place of business isnt libel or slander.
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So what's the total count of fuck ups made public by Fordged?
Gt-r
X2 G37
Lotus...
What else is out there they have bastardized?
Try not. Do or Do not.
What Vteckidd said. While they may be structurally sound... It ain't pretty
If you are going to pay for top-notch, it should look like top-notch. Compare the welds to shit I had on a stupid 240.
...and the back peddling begins lol
UPDATE: We just received an email from Sharif of Forged:
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"Hey everyone, I overeacted in this situation. I left a voicemail for Andrew...we are going to reinstate his registration and as I mentioned, everyone is welcome to attend. Friends, customers, competitors..everyone. If you aren't coming to run a car, spectators are also welcome. "
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