what is different now?

[rastaintegra]

What is different now that people are able to hit 500 and some have seen 600 hp on stock sleeves. Because when I first started everyone shop I went to said to see those numbers you need to sleeve. So my question is if I am trying to reach 400- 450 hp dd is it better to sleeve or stay with stock sleeves.

Set up ls/vtec
Block
B18 ls 81.5 bore
Cp piston 9.5:1
Eagle rods
Head
B16 kms valvetrain
Brain crower stage 2 cam
1000 rc injectors
Hondata s300
Turbo holset hx40
Custom exhaust manifold
So what u guys think or I sould just sleeve it.

[Bacon]

If you are going to spend that much money on parts, why not just go ahead and sleeve it? Once you hit your target goal, you'll want more.

[rastaintegra]

Because really I wanted know if the stock will hold up. But it do make sense what u said, I guess I am going to start saving from now. And maybe by this summer I can get it sleeved as long as nothing comes up.

[Bacon]

R & L Engines shows a package price of $1549 machined, blueprinted, and installed for Dart M.I.D. sleeves.

http://www.rlengines.com/Web_Pages/D...tallation.html

[EmminoDaGreat]

They have always been making that power on stock sleeves, they just wont last long, and all blocks are not created equal. I have seen some bust at 400 some bust over 600. GSR blocks are alittle more reinforced that ls etc. Personally I wouldnt run over 500 whp daily on stock sleeve.s