Bigdare23 new motor

[bigdare23]

I just wanted to share my new motor with IA. I had this motor installed for about 4-5months now. I'm just now sharing this with IA because I wanted to make sure I was long gone (moved) before I put specs of my motor out (Theft rate in Atlanta is increasing like everyday LOL). Anyways...

The original motor was


-OBD0 B16
-LSD Y1
-PW0 ECU
-Skunk2 intake manifold (1st gen) (no coolant lines running to the manifold)
-Hondata intake manifold gasket
-CTR intake cam
-B16 exhaust cam
-Greddy 4-2-1 header (for 99 Si)
-AEM fuel rail (I'm a ricer so I wanted a red fuel rail LOL)
-AEM CAI (2in)
-Skunk2 catback
-Test pipe
-unorthodox race crank pulley
With this setup, I put down 156hp/11?tq (Mainstream can verify)

Next, I changed some stuff with this setup
-installed CTR exhaust cam
-swapped out the Skunk2 catback with a Buddyclub spec II
-installed Toda cam gears (kept them at 0,0)
-swapped out the AEM CAI (2in) with an AEM EF hybrid CAI (2.5in)
-added an Bpi Velocity Stack to my CAI
-Converted to OBD1 and used a chipped p28 with a GSR map

The results were the following:


176hp/117tq (Dyno at Topspeed, JDMJAYDC2 and Bus Driver J can vouch).

That setup was pretty fun. The problem was it was PEAKY. At 5.5k I made 100hp and peaked at 176hp at 8.2k (76hp gain in in 2700rpms LOL), so every time I shifted it fell flat on it face. With this motor and it being in a 2080lb chassis (CRX), I made easily work of most other b16s, I shocked a few 1.8L, but I could not hang with the 2.0+ crew. So it was time for an upgrade. (Cont'd next post)

[bigdare23]

I considered an h22, but I didn't want to sacrifice oil pan or hood clearance. Then I caught a great deal on a "knocking" b20 on IA for $100 (after taking it apart, it appeared perfected). So that begin my b20vtec "budget" build.





bye bye ls head



hello 84x89mm


Since this was a budget build I decided not to go forged everything. I used stock rods (with ARP hardware) and decide to bump the compression slightly with RS machine pistons. The purpose of this build is to make TORQUE since my b16 lacked it. So I slightly overbored the blocked over to 84.5mm



Since reliable was my goal, I wanted to help support the block more. So I added a properly installed (pressure in then machined) KMS block guard (please take the block guard debate some where else), properly installed KMS girdle (got the mains aligned honed), and ARP main studs for a GSR.

You can see some of the crap here


The results were the following:








(Before I get asked who did my machine work, it was done by Larry Smith Automotive Machine Shop in Rome. Also a member on IA that works for a respectable performance shop in Atlanta assembled it for me. I'll leave his screenname out to prevent from getting his inbox flooded LOL)

[NoWAyItZTOMmY]

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[bigdare23]

Since this was a "budget" build, I decided headwork was out of the question (even though I would of loved a RLZ head on it). So after looking on IA for weeks, I found a killer deal on a b16 head (minus cams and dizzy) for $125, so I picked it up . Since I couldn't afford headwork, I decided to help the head out sightly by adding Underground Racing (old school) flat face valves, and KMS dual valve springs and titanium retainers.






Assembled




To put the head on the block, I used a Full-Race LS-VTEC kit, and a 84.5mm .30 Cometic LS/VTEC head gasket.


The results were an old, throwback looking, that's just a raggly obd0 b16 looking, semi build b20vtec

[Scotsman]

that block looks familar...........

[bigdare23]

I didn't say anything about cams yet.

So being knowledgeable to the game and yet being a noob at the same time. I screwed up big time when it came to cams. I order a set of Underground Racing cams and they ended up having this large ass lift (12.?mm) and long as duration (3??). With cams that large you need to check clearances and can't just "dropped them in". Then with duration that long, and stiff valve springs, you need at least an OEM timing belt (or better). So with that being said, the motor was installing. The car cranked up with no problem, but idle bad as hell (sounded like a v8). I decided to take it home, and then take it to Scotty in the morning. To bad the car didn't make it there. Actually 8miles later, the timing belt did a banana peel (thank you timing belt from a gasket kit ) and I was left broke down on 400. The results were BENDING EVERY DAMN VALVE IN THE HEAD (atleast during those 8 miles, the car ran like a champ whiled I babied it ).

So luckily, I didn't use many parts off of my old b16. So my homie, took the head off of the b16, swapped my valve train over (minus the cams), and installed my ctr cams. BAM I was back in the game with slightly lower compression, and a least aggressive set of cams. After a visit with Scotty, the results where the following:



206hp/156tq maxing out stock injectors and bumping the fuel pressure up

[KevinT707]

Interesting so far *thumbs up*

[MongolPup]

Interesting so far *thumbs up*

Agreed.

[bigdare23]

Specs

Head-B16
Block-B20b
-KMS dual valve springs
-KMS titanium retainers
-Hondata intake manifold gasket
-Skunk2 intake manifold (1st gen)
-70mm Omni throttle body (port match to intake manifold)
-AEM fuel rail
-B&M fuel pressure regulator
-stock injectors
-AEM hybrid CAI
-Bpi Velocity Stack
-Hytech replica header (bottom runners damn near crushed)
-CTR cams
-Toda camgears (0,0)
-Unorthodox race crank pulley
-ITR replica pistons 84.5mm
-Stock rods with ARP rod bolts
-KMS block guard
-KMS girdle
-APR main studs

I maybe forgetting a few things

[Thundercat]

bump bump bump.subscribed

[Revmaynard]

I think Lil' Dare is gay but his build is nice.

[bigdare23]

future mods

-2.5in exhaust (Went with an ebay exhaust since most EF exhaust are 2.25in and the "performance" exhaust are over $500. Also, where I'm at I couldn't find a decent muffler that mandrel bend)
-new header (Went with a JDM DC 4-1. Race header+EF Chassis+Daily Driven=Fail, so I decided not to throw money down the drain with a $400replica or $800 real header)
-cams (I trying to catch a deal on a stage 2 set of cams. Looking at Buddyclub specIV, S2S2, or Blox Bs)
-injectors (I got DSM bluetop 450cc so I won't have to delete my resistor box)
-install new fuel pump (Got a walbro 255lph high pressure pump that needs to install)
-new tune (After getting everything I want installed, my goal is to get tuned my RLZ. I'm currently tuned on Chrome, but I plan to make the switch to e-c-tune since I heard good things about it)

I look at it like this. I'm loosing power by installing an exhaust, and not using a "race" header. But I should gain power, by installing a header without dented runners, much better cams, being able to adjust fuel properly. Hopefully I'll see 220whp/160tq by the time I'm done with it, if not, so be it. It's still fun as hell in a 2000lb car!

[Grimm Reeper]

Awwwww that's so cute

[bigdare23]

Awwwww that's so cute

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree

[Bus Driver J]

Damn, thats a nice build. Thats crazy about the timing belt only lasting 8 miles. What exactly happened to it? Id like to see pics of the damage if you have any...

[all-mota]

nice build man

[Grimm Reeper]

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree

Never

well I would say the EJ but that's gone now..... So now you gots to deal with the 4 doe teggie fool :idb:

[uproot]

finally sharing LOL


good stuff my friend

[bigdare23]

Damn, thats a nice build. Thats crazy about the timing belt only lasting 8 miles. What exactly happened to it? Id like to see pics of the damage if you have any...

*Palms Face*

You don't need pics since you was there when it happened

[bigdare23]

nice build man

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

[uproot]

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

There are other headers...

[Bus Driver J]

*Palms Face*

You don't need pics since you was there when it happened

Oh shit, that was YOUR car??? Damn....

[Just_CHill]

Nice build.

[Vteckidd]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable

[tdurr]

hmmmm....

[Black4DrEK]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..


Reps for the awesome build

[Black4DrEK]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable

^ Do that.

[Master Shake]

Larry Smith does some good work.

looks like this is gonna be an awesome engine to play with. get some vids or something.

[bigdare23]

I'll trade you my skunk2 stage 2s for the ctr cams

Nice numbers very respectable

How soon are you looking to trade? I'm aiming to come back in GA in a week or two. If you're still willing to trade then LMK

[bigdare23]

Larry Smith does some good work.

looks like this is gonna be an awesome engine to play with. get some vids or something.

Yeah they do! It was well worth the 1.5hr drive. I'm actually considering using them again for a single cam I'm planning in my head

[bigdare23]

There are other headers...

Not everyone a baller with a header that worth more than a b16 swaps their car

[bigdare23]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..


Reps for the awesome build

I say "DO IT"

[DustnU]

What cute? Seeing CRXs taillights? I agree

Damn Tony he busted that ass already!!! LOL Good build dare, hope to follow HP suit soon myself.

[DustnU]

I LOVE IT!!!

Im going LSVtec VERY soon..


Reps for the awesome build

Don't BITE my style Homie, thats phucked up!!! LOL When??? Ima bust that ASS!

[Vteckidd]

How soon are you looking to trade? I'm aiming to come back in GA in a week or two. If you're still willing to trade then LMK

That's fine I'll be there pm me

205 with that setup is very good numbers header or not. Even with itr/ctr cams that's very good. I've seen way more built motors make far less.

[all-mota]

Thanks!

Now if you want to basically give away that smsp header in your sig, I'll take it That's basically the only header that works in EF/CRX chassis without hitting everything in the road.

yeah man even trade my header for your build i need something to put in my daily haha. i hear you on the price i paid about 1300 for it new and waited about 6 months.

That's fine I'll be there pm me

205 with that setup is very good numbers header or not. Even with itr/ctr cams that's very good. I've seen way more built motors make far less.

exactly those are good numbere with a nice intake manifold some good cams and a little headwork it should make close to 220whp

[Black4DrEK]

Don't BITE my style Homie, thats phucked up!!! LOL When??? Ima bust that ASS!

We will see!!


Try me partna!!!! lol.. see you soon bro.. For the meet

[teh_mugen18]

LOL reading the builds in here make me sad lol,now i need to go build another engine

[Supraboy87T]

Reading these threads makes me sad too. I wanna hurry up and finish my lilttle single cam build.

[bigdare23]

with a nice intake manifold

What do you consider nice? I was consider upgrading, but I'm afraid of the gains (or loses in some cases LOL) not being worth the $$$. I heard the Edelbrock intakes (PerformerX in particular) are pretty good. What do you recommend?