03 cobra vs. S2k who would handle better around a track.

[cpearson]

Yea, the Cobra would walk all over an S2K.

[boosted_nonv]

funny that everyone thinks the Cobra is better, but the polls don't lie lol

[On_Her_Face]

funny that everyone thinks the Cobra is better, but the polls don't lie lol

So general opinions/thoughts always out weight the facts? With statements like this I can see how Obama made it in office.

[quickdodge®]

So general opinions/thoughts always out weight the facts?

Lolol. Just because you like a certain car, that makes that car the best ever. Even on paper. You didn't know? Later, QD.

[JITB]

I love invisible posts!

[S2KJD]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

[SicStang03]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

They would never go head to head lol... Honestly the two cars shouldn't be in the same paragraph together ... I just thought it was funny when I took a turn in the cobra this past weekend and John made a joke about the handling (mind you I was not even remotely close to the limits of the car). I replied with a smartass comment about the S2K doing better... Then came the debate

In all seriousness, on a tight autocross with no straights (although we are not talking autocross) I think the cobra would still win.

Here is a cobra with my exact springs and some caster/camer/toe adjustments:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...ght_138329.htm

[S2KJD]

They would never go head to head lol...

then thread should be locked to end all opinions that will never be proved lol :boobies:

[Nemesis]

omfg wtf mustangs cant turn, and they dont have vtec. s2k wins

[On_Her_Face]

omfg wtf mustangs cant turn, and they dont have vtec. s2k wins

I thought it was cause it has too many cylinders to turn?

[xxbckiexx]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

[On_Her_Face]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

Actually the S2k was quite impressive around Nurburgring. It was one second faster than a C5 Corvette, and one second slower than an NSX.

Damn i didnt know 03-04 Cobras came with 480 Hp Stock..
But i would take a 03 cobra over a S2k ANYDAY s2k's are fun to drive, but the cobra is to great!

Most 03/04 Cobras will dyno the same HP that Ford claims they have at the crank. So not too far off 480hp. Hell cobras can make 460-470~whp with i/e/p/t.

[S2KJD]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!

[On_Her_Face]

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!

Yes the NSX. boosted_nonv you are also a dumbass, the votes do not directly mean that the s2k is faster.

[S2KJD]

Yes the NSX. boosted_nonv you are also a dumbass, the votes do not directly mean that the s2k is faster.

haha now im a dumbass! still no video proof on either side of the arguement so i love how you are so passionate about it all to be knocking on folks. anyways acura nsx...not honda eventhough i see your point its still acura here in the states.

for him to make a comment about the polls show the truth is only to get people like you worked up man...obviously a poll doesnt mean shit...

[On_Her_Face]

haha now im a dumbass! still no video proof on either side of the arguement so i love how you are so passionate about it all to be knocking on folks. anyways acura nsx...not honda eventhough i see your point its still acura here in the states.

for him to make a comment about the polls show the truth is only to get people like you worked up man...obviously a poll doesnt mean shit...

No sorry I did not make that clear. I was referring as boosted_slow a dumbass along with somebody else who posted about the poll proving which is right.

[xxbckiexx]

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!

towards the op. i didn't read your posts.

[boosted_nonv]

as much domestic people as we have on this import site, i still think the S would win, i see the S people aint talking much but they're still ahead on the votes lol

[Terror]

as much domestic people as we have on this import site, i still think the S would win, i see the S people aint talking much but they're still ahead on the votes lol

Ummm... No.

The poll does not constitute facts.. it shows opinions... the reason the polls are ahead is because 90% of people on this site believe that because the S2K is a roadster, that it has extreme handling powers...

Two professional drivers + 1 Cobra + 1 S2K = the S2k getting owned in the face.

[VIP Style]

agreed, im really not that impressed by the s2k anyway, its just a four cylinder roadster, nothing special really.

Ummm... No.

The poll does not constitute facts.. it shows opinions... the reason the polls are ahead is because 90% of people on this site believe that because the S2K is a roadster, that it has extreme handling powers...

Two professional drivers + 1 Cobra + 1 S2K = the S2k getting owned in the face.

[mrniceguy311]

120hp? im totally confused...

-edit-

for real. more like 237 @ 7800 (honda.com).

but depends on the track.

[S2KJD]

depends on the track and depends on how the cars are built.

only stock vs. stock should make this thread a valid point imo...

[mrniceguy311]

went back and edited for yah.

[sprix!]

I would like to know which S2000 we should be considering. FWIW, there were a number of changes to suspension and handling between AP1 and AP2 S2000s. Even then, a CR will dance around a track faster than a base S2000 will. Clearly there is no difference in power, but sometimes fiddling with suspension can yield unexpected results in a track setting.

[S2KJD]

I would like to know which S2000 we should be considering. FWIW, there were a number of changes to suspension and handling between AP1 and AP2 S2000s. Even then, a CR will dance around a track faster than a base S2000 will. Clearly there is no difference in power, but sometimes fiddling with suspension can yield unexpected results in a track setting.

i think the cr is perfectly fair to get an honest answer out of this thread since its sold track ready, stock.

[Nemesis]

In all seriousness, Id love to see a highly modified S2k go against any Griggs Racing built Mustang, Cobra or not... people need to stop being so ignorant.

[man]

Maybe if it was an 02 Cobra, I heard those are so fast you can't even see them...

[nreggie454]

The poll is misleading also. Practically everybody has agreed that the S2k handles slightly better, so it would get more votes. However, the Cobra would beat it around a track because the difference in handling is not very significant while the difference in power is.

[man]

The poll is misleading also. Practically everybody has agreed that the S2k handles slightly better, so it would get more votes. However, the Cobra would beat it around a track because the difference in handling is not very significant while the difference in power is.

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...

[DieselNuts]

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...

Instigator

My cobra made 404 REAR WHEEL HP stock and weighed in at 3645lbs.

S2000 makes 237 FLYWHEEL HP and weighs 2809lbs.

Cobra=9.02lbs/hp

S2000=11.85lbs/hp

Remember, this comparison leans in favor of the S2k because I didn't use its actual wheel horsepower like I did with my Cobra.

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?

[man]

Instigator

My cobra made 404 REAR WHEEL HP stock and weighed in at 3645lbs.

S2000 makes 237 FLYWHEEL HP and weighs 2809lbs.

Cobra=9.02lbs/hp

S2000=11.85lbs/hp

Remember, this comparison leans in favor of the S2k because I didn't use its actual wheel horsepower like I did with my Cobra.

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?

LOL, nice

btw I'm getting a sonic blue vert 03 as soon as I get out of school

[afwfjustin]

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?

While paper racing is silly, the 130-ish TQ that a stock s2000 will put down is masked by the fact that it has a 4.10 final drive. Gearing multiplies TQ so it might sound low but if kept in vtec throughout the gears the car is much quicker than it would seem.

[nreggie454]

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...

EDIT: Ninja'd, dammit!

Actually, it is. From what I was able to gather from some Google searches, the 2004 S2000 produced 237HP weighing 2835 pounds. This is 11.96 lbs/HP. On the other hand, the Cobra produces 390HP weighing in at 3664 pounds. That equals 9.39 LBS/HP, which is a pretty decent gap. Not to mention the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque while the Cobra churns 390 lbs/ft.

[DieselNuts]

EDIT: Ninja'd, dammit!

Actually, it is. From what I was able to gather from some Google searches, the 2004 S2000 produced 237HP weighing 2835 pounds. This is 11.96 lbs/HP. On the other hand, the Cobra produces 390HP weighing in at 3664 pounds. That equals 9.39 LBS/HP, which is a pretty decent gap. Not to mention the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque while the Cobra churns 390 lbs/ft.

Nice

Yeah, fuck pounds per HP. Lets talk pounds per FT/LB TQ.

LOL, nice

btw I'm getting a sonic blue vert 03 as soon as I get out of school

I hate you

[afwfjustin]

the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque

Incorrect. The AP1 is about 130 and the AP2 is about 137 IIRC.

[nreggie454]

Incorrect. The AP1 is about 130 and the AP2 is about 137 IIRC.

From what I was able to gather from some Google searches...

Either way, if it produces less torque, then that hurts the S2k argument.

[afwfjustin]

The original question is kind of a dumb one (no offense intended) because it asks which car handles better around a track. This would mean, which car is faster ONLY through the turns in a track. The question should be, which car is faster on a track, which car is a better handling car, or which car is more nimble, etc.

Obviously the S2000 is more nimble, no getting around that. The Cobra has much more power, so it doesn't take a smart person to figure that out.

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).

[87 Turbo II]

Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.

[SicStang03]

The original question is kind of a dumb one (no offense intended) because it asks which car handles better around a track. This would mean, which car is faster ONLY through the turns in a track. The question should be, which car is faster on a track, which car is a better handling car, or which car is more nimble, etc.

Obviously the S2000 is more nimble, no getting around that. The Cobra has much more power, so it doesn't take a smart person to figure that out.

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).

You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra

Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.

Most ignorant statement of this thread ... I realize everyone has an opinion but you are basing this off what you heard? At the strip, yes, it is a poor platform if you are running street tires... but still 31 spline axels that have gotten many people well into the 10's and even 9's... No handling advantages? lol on the skidpad the s2k wins by .04... the cobra pwns at high speed slalom... The 1 second the s2k might pull in a tight corner will be shut down 15ft later

The poll is worded weird but the argument we had was that his car would beat mine at a track... stock for stock the cobra would still win... I would stop for lunch in the middle of the race and still win in my car :boobies:

[afwfjustin]

You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra

You are correct! I don't doubt that they are better handling cars; I was just saying that most Mustangs I've ridden in (GTs and V6s from same body style) felt like donkey shit when they were turning.

I think my previous post wins the entire thread. It's worded poorly. If we're talking about which car is more nimble and a better "handling" car, it's the S2000. If we're talking about which car is faster at a track, it's the Cobra. But saying which car is better handling at a track? There are way too many different variables to really give an answer to that - and that's why we're still debating this crap

And I think that my old S2000 would destroy a Cobra even on a track - and that's with it running only on the wastegate spring and untuned for higher boost