mild k20z3 vs. built B18c1

[whizkid]

Just trying to see some other peoples ideas i know kseries cost dont care just give input.

First up

K20z3:
stock block
stock pistons 11:0:1 comp
stock rebuilt head 3angle valvejob
skunk2 stg 2 cams
CAI,headers(maybe battlegrnd) ,
Jdm rsx ecu
2.5 custom catback

B18c1:
bored .25 over
stock p30(b16) pistons
stock rebuilt head 3angle valvejob
skunk2 pro2 cams
skunk2 valvetrain of course
tuned with hondata
CAI, 4-2-1 headers,2.5 catback
aebs manifold, skunk2 tb 68mm

Just post ya feedback on it if u know some good videos post address to view them

[allmotorX]

dseries ftw!!! im out

[stubbyda91]

a good built b series will de5troy a k, true story

[fredy123]

a good built b series will de5troy a k, true story

Hows this possible

[Nang]

id take a K over that c1 setup

[Vteckidd]

up a K Series NA will almost always beat a B series.

If price is not an issue, K is better

[southside]

K FTMFW! and your not built if your using oem parts still throw some cps and eagle rods in that shit!You already know money aint a option with this one.

[allmotorX]

a built d series will destroy both of these nuff said!!

[whizkid]

^^^^ Must be on of those fully built boosted with spray, but seriously show a video not one of a fully built d-series vs. stock! Fully built vs. Fully built

[allmotorX]

^^^^ Must be on of those fully built boosted with spray, but seriously show a video not one of a fully built d-series vs. stock! Fully built vs. Fully built

i will wait till im done with mine

[southside]

i will wait till im done with mine

Driver Mod will rule all.And your dseries vs. that Kind of K = Worser Race Than you and Fuster_cluck

[allmotorX]

Driver Mod will rule all.And your dseries vs. that Kind of K = Worser Race Than you and Fuster_cluck

lmao ok we will see

[i4_garage]

k series YAY! :boobies:

[jdmda9]

while you playin, two of my boyz ran a while ago. one had a jdm itr in a gutted dc teg and the other had a stock ex ej civic only with a ebay turbo kit on 7psi. from a 2nd gear roll, the single cam totally walked on one of hondas best 4 cylinder motors. not saying anything about itr's, just thought id share why single cams arent to be underestimated.

anywayz, go k-series bro. its well worth every last penny!

^^^^ Must be on of those fully built boosted with spray, but seriously show a video not one of a fully built d-series vs. stock! Fully built vs. Fully built

[whizkid]

oh naw i never under estimate anyone! but digs show true experience
but i think from a dig the sohc would have been maybe a half a car behind the itr if drivers were on point.

while you playin, two of my boyz ran a while ago. one had a jdm itr in a gutted dc teg and the other had a stock ex ej civic only with a ebay turbo kit on 7psi. from a 2nd gear roll, the single cam totally walked on one of hondas best 4 cylinder motors. not saying anything about itr's, just thought id share why single cams arent to be underestimated.

anywayz, go k-series bro. its well worth every last penny!

[all-mota]

between the setups you posted your looking at a 190whp b series setup tuned if your lucky versus a 210whp or a little more on the k series setup. which one suits your goals.

[Axix23]

why a z3 and not a z1 or a2?

[whizkid]

Seemed most common at the moment lol doesnt matter seem the k-series on take the cake as long as it has cams

[K20Z1]

K > B

[E=MC²]

i would vote K in this battle even though i have a c1 in my current car. jack the compression up a little more!

[whizkid]

yea maybe 12:5:1 will do just throwing some numbers out there.

[Vteckidd]

hp/1$ the B will be better.

THe K you have listed will cost you $10,000 if not more in parts and labor.

The B wont cost quite as much.

To be honest this is a stupid thread, and the responses from some are even more retarded.

With cams the K series can make good power, Chunky made around 210whp with his ITR pistons and ITR cams in his K20.

IF you are after NA power and price is not a factor, the K gives you alot more room to move around. They are easily capable of 250whp in street trim (meaning streetable)

B Series 250whp is almost not streetable as it is at the limits at that HP level.

If you just want to go fast, Boost a GSR, cheaper than both those.

I wouldnt do anything to a D series outside of a small turbo kit an 200whp. Anyhting over 200whp on a D from what i have seen just doesnt last

[whizkid]

First if the thread is stupid thread why did u reply in the first place!
saying
"up a K Series NA will almost always beat a B series."

"If price is not an issue, K is better"

You just contradicted yourself!!!

Second it does cost 10k dollars if you buy everything brand spankin new!!

A k-series cost can be cut down if people take time and find better deals and do research on buying the k swap parts in different forums or ebay!

Then you said the guys post were more retarded then the thread then gave a lil info on each of the categories K-series,B-series, and D-series.

hp/1$ the B will be better.

THe K you have listed will cost you $10,000 if not more in parts and labor.

The B wont cost quite as much.

To be honest this is a stupid thread, and the responses from some are even more retarded.

With cams the K series can make good power, Chunky made around 210whp with his ITR pistons and ITR cams in his K20.

IF you are after NA power and price is not a factor, the K gives you alot more room to move around. They are easily capable of 250whp in street trim (meaning streetable)

B Series 250whp is almost not streetable as it is at the limits at that HP level.

If you just want to go fast, Boost a GSR, cheaper than both those.

I wouldnt do anything to a D series outside of a small turbo kit an 200whp. Anyhting over 200whp on a D from what i have seen just doesnt last

[SCtuneguy]

No, he actually didn't contradict himself in the 2 lines you chose to highlight. He said (in paraphrase): "a NA K will beat a B" and "K is better." You failed to highlight any contradictory statement. And I think what he means when he says the thread is stupid is, you're going to get dumb answers on a public forum with few people actually having experience and expertise. The research one could do on his own would yield a much better answer to the question posed.

First if the thread is stupid thread why did u reply in the first place!
saying
"up a K Series NA will almost always beat a B series."

"If price is not an issue, K is better"

You just contradicted yourself!!!

Second it does cost 10k dollars if you buy everything brand spankin new!!

A k-series cost can be cut down if people take time and find better deals and do research on buying the k swap parts in different forums or ebay!

Then you said the guys post were more retarded then the thread then gave a lil info on each of the categories K-series,B-series, and D-series.

[Vteckidd]

First if the thread is stupid thread why did u reply in the first place!
saying
"up a K Series NA will almost always beat a B series."

"If price is not an issue, K is better"

You just contradicted yourself!!!

Second it does cost 10k dollars if you buy everything brand spankin new!!

A k-series cost can be cut down if people take time and find better deals and do research on buying the k swap parts in different forums or ebay!

Then you said the guys post were more retarded then the thread then gave a lil info on each of the categories K-series,B-series, and D-series.

This is precisely why this thread is stupid. because

1) YOu dont have the money to do either setup so who cares
2) this is all bench racing coming from people that have never had either setup so who cares
3) So a K Series swap with bolt ons is less than $10,000, please go for it since you know so much.
4) LOL@Ebay

This is as retarded as those "OMG THAT G23 IS A KILLA K SETUP!". Seriously, none of you guys have built ANYTHING so you have NO IDEA WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE POWER OR WHAT IT COSTS. YOu go read some stupid article on the internet or from Honda Tuning an take it as gospel.

GO learn something kids

[jdm_crx_man]

if n/a then k
if boost then b
boosting a k is always nice to but ive heard that its alot of fab wok
what is this power plant going in?

[ejohnson88]

Funny thing is I made 210whp with a Stock K20A2.... without cams and it being tuned... I noticed you didn't put any kind of tuning on the K which would be COMPLETELY NECESSARY if you want that thing to run right with CAMS... I know my Motor put down around 190whp with a basemap... But my car was done right... Also with the SI motor, you are talking about a throttle by Ecu Setup, which currently doesn't have any Hondata tuning available to it except for the Re-flash, so I would definitely go for a K20a2 or a K20a, because even with a K20z1, you are going to have to buy ADDITIONAL part's in order to use K-Pro, which by the way is by far the most commonly used tuning software for the K series... and well in my opinion the best But yeah a Stock K almost always beats a Built B. Start building the K, and well good luck finding an All Motor B that can take you...

In response to the guy saying you can do it cheaper... Yeah if you have half a year to a year to wait around for parts to become available then good luck finding better deals... Otherwise buy it in a condition that you can be sure of... Brand New.

[b16hatchj]

glws

[ejohnson88]

I'm not just blowing hot air here Mike :P So that's one Non-Bench warmer for you...

[Vteckidd]

I'm not just blowing hot air here Mike :P So that's one Non-Bench warmer for you...

Oh i know, im saying the kids that make these threads every week are just hilarious.

Obviously i know you "paid to play"

[ejohnson88]

and Play Every day and pretty much will for another 150k miles haha... OEM Factory Reliability FTMFW Baby!~

[IntegraXTR]

I'm surprised no one has said anything about a b20/vtec setup versus a K. Personally, I have no experience with a k-swap so don't bash on me. But I've seen mildly built b20/v take on k-series. Plus it would cost you a fraction of the price of a K and does make decent power.

But if money is not a factor in this case, K>B....

[ejohnson88]

now get a mildly built K and put it with them... and it's a whole different story.

[94ex-vtec]

First off I have a k. With that said, I have raced several b series..... Latest being an Ls/vtec with a header and skunk 2 intake mani...wasn't even a race and would have taken another 75hp AT LEAST to have come somewhat close. You can do a very nice k swap for $6500 if you take your time and get good deals. If you are going to do a new setup go k, you will be more than happy. If you go b series hit me up when you are done......we'll see what the outcome is . I have also ran a 300hp boosted d16z6 del sol from a roll that was break boosting ....... He got his feelings hurt after I ran him down up top

[-S Double C-]

First off I have a k. With that said, I have raced several b series..... Latest being an Ls/vtec with a header and skunk 2 intake mani...wasn't even a race and would have taken another 75hp AT LEAST to have come somewhat close. You can do a very nice k swap for $6500 if you take your time and get good deals. If you are going to do a new setup go k, you will be more than happy. If you go b series hit me up when you are done......we'll see what the outcome is . I have also ran a 300hp boosted d16z6 del sol from a roll that was break boosting ....... He got his feelings hurt after I ran him down up top

Ill put cash on it my boy's 300ish whp civic coupe will walk the shit outta your k series. Your 200ish whp is not gonna out run a damn 300whp boosted car on top end. Do you know what kinda times a 300whp d series will run? That del sol if it really had 300whp would be a 11 sec car with a good driver. And i have yet to see a stock or near stock k20 dig into 11's

[94ex-vtec]

Ill put cash on it my boy's 300ish whp civic coupe will walk the shit outta your k series. Your 200ish whp is not gonna out run a damn 300whp boosted car on top end. Do you know what kinda times a 300whp d series will run? That del sol if it really had 300whp would be a 11 sec car with a good driver. And i have yet to see a stock or near stock k20 dig into 11's

I am very familiar with turbo d16s as I used to have one myself. Is your friends setup d or b series? B series as we all know are more efficient........I'd be down for a run either way,you can send me a pm.

[LIKEG6]

I am very familiar with turbo d16s as I used to have one myself. Is your friends setup d or b series? B series as we all know are more efficient........I'd be down for a run either way,you can send me a pm.

good luck on that one

[-S Double C-]

I am very familiar with turbo d16s as I used to have one myself. Is your friends setup d or b series? B series as we all know are more efficient........I'd be down for a run either way,you can send me a pm.

pick your choice my supervisor has a boosted b16 hatch that made 445whp on 16lbs and pump gas or you can run my g/f's brothers piston/rod d16 coupe that dynoed 326whp on 18lbs and pump before his new turbo upgrade. The hatch does have a good bit of lag but thats what reving to 10k is for. Pm me your number and we can get up this weekend. Ill also run you in my old 273whp teg if it's a better match.

[fredy123]

First off I have a k. With that said, I have raced several b series..... Latest being an Ls/vtec with a header and skunk 2 intake mani...wasn't even a race and would have taken another 75hp AT LEAST to have come somewhat close. You can do a very nice k swap for $6500 if you take your time and get good deals. If you are going to do a new setup go k, you will be more than happy. If you go b series hit me up when you are done......we'll see what the outcome is . I have also ran a 300hp boosted d16z6 del sol from a roll that was break boosting ....... He got his feelings hurt after I ran him down up top

LOL.
I myself, an Rsx-S driver, raced my 'migo Mike, who drives a semi-built b16 on a 4door EK. No competition my Rsx was just too insanely fast..He put some excuse about his car not running right..

I-vtech rulez end of story

[allmotorX]

LOL.
I myself, an Rsx-S driver, raced my 'migo Mike, who drives a semi-built b16 on a 4door EK. No competition my Rsx was just too insanely fast..He put some excuse about his car not running right..

I-vtech rulez end of story

lmao ill destroy that type s with me single cam end of story