E92 M3 > GT-R

[tony]

Yeah I know that will get some arguments going..

Anyway as if I wasn't already convinced on the M3 I see these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEFV4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_6NLWhOWc&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcKUP...eature=related

Honestly I know it would be crazy to choose an M3 over the GT-R, I absolutely love the look of the R35 and everything but I just don't care for turbos really. Naturally aspirated just adds to the whole driving experience and I will take high rev with a sweet exhaust note over low torque any day.

Sometimes its not about how fast you get from point A to point B, I think as you get older you appreciate the experience in getting there more than the speed itself.

Havent driven either one so obviously my opinion isn't worth on both cars but

[alpine_aw11]

Sounds mean as hell. As far as M3 vs. GTR, I'd take the M3. Gotta have the stick shift.

[Elbow]

A V8 that revs to 8k is fine by me

They are quick cars.

[The Creeper]

The new M3's are pure sex.

[EJ25RUN]

No it doesn't sound crazy to pick an M3 over a GTR. Car & Driver (no matter what your opinion of them is) took it over the GTR and a 911 Turbo


Here’s the list of the 2008 winners International Engine of the Year Awards:

International Engine of the Year 2008
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)

Best New Engine of 2008
BMW 2-litre Diesel Twin-Turbo (123D)

Green Engine of the Year
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)

Best Performance Engine
Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo, 911 GT2)

Sub 1-litre
Toyota 1-litre (Aygo, Yaris, Peugeot 107, Citroën C1, Subaru Justy)

1-litre to 1.4-litre
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf, Touran, Tiguan, Jetta)

1.4-litre to 1.8-litre
BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (MINI Cooper S, Clubman, Peugeot 207, 308)

1.8-litre to 2-litre
Volkswagen/Audi 2-litre Turbo (A3, A4 Cabrio, A6, TT, Eos, Jetta, Golf GTi, Altea, Leon, Skoda Octavia)

2-litre to 2.5-litre
Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Forester, Impreza, Outback, Legacy)

2.5-litre to 3-litre
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)

3-litre to 4-litre
BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)

Above 4-litre
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)

[man]

Sometimes its not about how fast you get from point A to point B, I think as you get older you appreciate the experience in getting there more than the speed itself.

Agree 100%, it's not like most people will actually benefit from having a faster car unless you're racing for money.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

M3>GTR.

Nutswingers FTL.

[CHADbee]

sounds sick and its a VERY nice car but id take the GTR all day over the new M3

call me a nut swinger but i just like the GTR alot LOL

[CHADbee]

M3>GTR.

Nutswingers FTL.

the people on the anti-GTR bandwagon FTL

[JITB]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

[CHADbee]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

i agree with that...the M3 is a beast and an AMAZING car that i would not mind owning at all. i guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.

in my eyes the M3 vs GTR is like accord coupe VS camaro

2 different classes of cars really. the M3 is one of the best, if not THE best luxury coupe ever made...but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

i want both

[bigdare23]

call me a nut swinger

Okay Chad

NUT SWINGER

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

the people on the anti-GTR bandwagon FTL

Nah. It's not even like that. I just hate how everyone is all over the GTR in every way possible, you know? The car looks great, it's fast, I wouldn't mind owning one at all but I just have more love towards the M3. Call me stupid, but for some reason I'd love to have a R33 more than a R35. (Ok, don't really call me stupid, lol.) Maybe it's because im european and europeans gotta stick together, or idk? LOL.

[alpine_aw11]

i agree with that...the M3 is a beast and an AMAZING car that i would not mind owning at all. i guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.

in my eyes the M3 vs GTR is like accord coupe VS camaro

2 different classes of cars really. the M3 is one of the best, if not THE best luxury coupe ever made...but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

i want both

I wouldn't necessarily say that an m3 isn't a sports car.

[EJ25RUN]

but in the end it is a luxury coupe where the GTR is a sports car. i think they were built for 2 different kind of car people.

Im gonna have to say you got those backwards. Here is why.

No matter how advanced that double clutch box is from the gtr, the fact that it is missing a "real mans gearbox" makes if fall flat on its face.

My definition of a sports car has no time frame. Look at an MG from the mid 50's. It was beyond basic. Just what you need to drive which is what the M badge has not sold out to.

The GTR is a luxury coupe, why? The fact that im not having to multi task like a champ shifting and kicking a clutch. It is just the case that any car with a manual is just more sports than any other car without one.

Sometimes Fun of driving > tenths off a lap time.

All i have explained there is the dry defintion of a sports car and it is all objective.

[CHADbee]

Nah. It's not even like that. I just hate how everyone is all over the GTR in every way possible, you know? The car looks great, it's fast, I wouldn't mind owning one at all but I just have more love towards the M3. Call me stupid, but for some reason I'd love to have a R33 more than a R35. (Ok, don't really call me stupid, lol.) Maybe it's because im european and europeans gotta stick together, or idk? LOL.

to be honest there more anti-GTR people as of late that pro-GTR people. being anti-GTR is the cool new thing. M3 has your roots and thats totally understandable. id have a really hard time picking a R33/R34/R35 GTR i all 3 were in front of me.

I wouldn't necessarily say that an m3 isn't a sports car.

i guess you could call it a luxury sports car but the luxury part is the main goal of the M3 where a GTRs main goal is track times so in my eyes they are two totally different amazing cars.

[EJ25RUN]

i guess you could call it a luxury sports car but the luxury part is the main goal of the M3 where a GTRs main goal is track times

read the back ground story into the making of the R35 and you will see how false that is. The ultimate goal of the GTR was to be able to sell that car on 3 continents for the first time and there for road manners were very important. Most of the people in the tuner scene think the US always gets the worst version of a car compared to Japan but that is not true. First of all there is the 112 MPH speed limiter and then the fact that the Japanese R35 GTRs have much softer suspensions than usa models because more of the demographic wants that.

[CHADbee]

Im gonna have to say you got those backwards. Here is why.

No matter how advanced that double clutch box is from the gtr, the fact that it is missing a "real mans gearbox" makes if fall flat on its face.

My definition of a sports car has no time frame. Look at an MG from the mid 50's. It was beyond basic. Just what you need to drive which is what the M badge has not sold out to.

The GTR is a luxury coupe, why? The fact that im not having to multi task like a champ shifting and kicking a clutch. It is just the case that any car with a 5 speed is just more sports than any other car without one.

Sometimes Fun of driving > tenths off a lap time.

i agree 100 freaky percent!!!!! thats why i love 6 speed supras over TH400 supras. but like i said the car built for fast track times....and the tranny thats in the GTR while pretty gay and unmanly does serve its purpose....faster track times.

im right there with ya....id rather have a 6 speed and be alittle slower. but the purpose of the M3 and the GTR is different. BMW built the car to pimp haaarder and give ya a kick while doing it. nissan built the GTR to be a track beast off the show room floor.

GTR=kick @ss on the track no matter what(having a gay auto)
M3=high class luxury(main purpose) with a twist of go fast.

that^ is why i say they are different.

[CHADbee]

read the back ground story into the making of the R35 and you will see how false that is. The ultimate goal of the GTR was to be able to sell that car on 3 continents for the first time and there for road manners were very important. Most of the people in the tuner scene think the US always gets the worst version of a car compared to Japan but that is not true. First of all there is the 112 MPH speed limiter and then the fact that the Japanese R35 GTRs have much softer suspensions than usa models because more of the demographic wants that.

the suspension is adjustable and the speed limiter turns off when the GPS sees you are at the track....and its ready to kick some butt

[EJ25RUN]

the suspension is adjustable and the speed limiter turns off when the GPS sees you are at the track....and its ready to kick some butt

Autoblog May 1 2008

The suspension revisions, which involved modifying the spring rate by 0.1kg/mm to make the GT-R's coils a bit stiffer, will be accompanied by three harder engine mounts and a firmer transaxle mount that limits movement of the engine and gearbox under cornering forces.

[mrt0mjones]

The Paddleshift on the Gtr isnt as bad as the SMG on the bimmers (i think the smg is sloppy as hell)

I love the m3, i'd drive the m3 and all, but overall performance has already been decided.

Check youtube on the gtr vs m3, clarkson tears um up, and some other indian guy does too. the m3 is nice, but the gtr just outperforms alot of it.


I'd still take the m3 though...

[KevinT707]

Sounds sick! The exhaust note gives me chills ..

[Alan®]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz0mJ...eature=related

[tony]

ii guess it kinda comes down to your taste and what you want out of a car.



i want both

Thats really what it is, my taste has changed over the years and initially it would be the GT-R hands down.. the perfect situation would be to have both in the driveway but if I had to choose one, something in me just says I would take the M3.

The one reason I would take the GT-R first is because its more practical in all weather conditions.

[Gilgamesh]

they are both luxury cars, sports cars are bare bones hardcore no electronic BS cars.

if you have a big screen in the dash then its not a true sports car.

[Gilgamesh]

oh and id take the M3, there is nothing like a high revving V8

[Alan®]

if you have a big screen in the dash then its not a true sports car.

wow did you not realize that both can be had with screens

[MidLifeCrisis]

i cant really agree tony.....lol u now id take the gtr...

id take the C63 over the M3....


Bmw's are great... but.. they seem kind of boring..to me.. especially the new m3. and the interior also is too bland.. but great car.

dammit man! and i thought our tastes in cars were one! i <3 bmws.

[JITB]

dammit man! and i thought our tastes in cars were one! i <3 bmws.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea C63 AMG > M3

ill take Benz over any car in every class

[willum14pb]

To each his own, however i will point out that the m3 in video #2 sounds ****ing MEAN!

[Kaiser]

I'll take a Benz powered Italian Supercar over any blando Benz any day. The new C is a step in the right direction though, that's for sure.




For those that don't know, Pagani Zonda uses a 7+ Liter Benz V12.

[ttman]

i would take the GTR over it because it looks like any other BMW. the GTR doesn't have an identity crisis.

[1SICKLEX]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

[RL...]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

I like this guy^^^^

But all m3's are the ****! It would have to drive both cars before saying which is better....

[Alan®]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

"M" stands for Mass. The new BMW M cars get faster but bigger and heavier and less involving each go round. EVO picked the E30 M3 over EVERY SINGLE "M" as the best M car.

Is the new M superb? Yes, it still is. V-8, good size package, handling and power galore.

The GT-R takes that to the NEXT LEVEL. The GT-R wipes the floor with the M3, IS-F, C63 and RS4. Its not even close.

You know I read C&D, Motor Trend, etc. every month and have never picked up a copy of Top Gear. I can't find it anywhere I'm sure Barnes and Noble would have it but Kroger, etc. don't carry it

[superboost]

turbos are what make it good. I love a high revving v8 as much as any guy, but give me a turbo any day. A car without turbo = boring.

[EJ25RUN]

C&D is crap reading. You know every month the Honda or BMW is going to win. I use it for lighting the fireplace. Its crap. EVO/CAR/ Top Gear or mags you buy.

EVO/CAR/Top Gear

I reserve Tuesdays, the new magazine day for Barnes and Noble and read through those along with the lastest F1, Two.Wheels.Only., and PB.

I threw away my 500+ collection of mags and i dont feel like starting another one or spending the money on a mag that is $10.00 an issue. I usually just sit and read front to back.

But what i hate about the British mags is that they are always a month to 2 months behind to get to America. I read the August issue of Top Gear on the plane back from my European trip and i bought it early July. Last week i went to B&N and there was the same issue sitting brand new for the first time.

[Blitanicle99]

The GTR may be sick but its a twin turbo microwave. It has no soul.

The new M3 however, now that is a car. BMW will always make a better car than Nissan.

[RL...]

The GTR may be sick but its a twin turbo microwave. It has no soul.

The new M3 however, now that is a car. BMW will always make a better car than Nissan.

While I love both BMW and Nissan, I might have to disagree. If you're talking about being better performance, the GT-R has more HP and torque, has a better 0-60 time, and also handles better than the m3. They get about the same fuel economy, although the m3 is cheaper(the GT-R starts around $55k, and the GT-R is about $72.) Anyway, they're both amazing cars, but atleast you can ride 4 deep in the m3...