Top Four Tips For Driving Like A Pro (very good read!)

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Originally Posted by speedminded

With two hands on the wheel there is no way you can downshift, brake, and steer at the same time.

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doesnt it make more sense to be able to steer the car instead of downshifting? i mean, if it really comes down to it, just push in the clutch and coast (or brake, whatever is necessary) past the bike or deer or midget or whatever is in the road. you dont NEED to downshift. when your in a situation where you are actually faced with something you have to avoid, your focus should shift from going fast/making a good time to saving the car, yourself, the midget dancing in the middle of the road, and not having any sort of damage done to either party.

2 hands on the wheel FTW

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

im not talking bout being sideways... (im not a drifter) i mean unlike F1 cars we cant go lock to lock with one turn and have i think like 900 degrees to play with. So yes you have to take both hands of and alternate hands as you let it go through what is probably a slow tight turn. Cmon this is also meant to give you the fastest time and we both know if your loose in the back your losing time!

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My entire point was from the very beginning was when the rear slips out, you're sideways, going into a spin, or spinning does he teach to keep both hands on the wheel...

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Originally Posted by jesse4846

doesnt it make more sense to be able to steer the car instead of downshifting? i mean, if it really comes down to it, just push in the clutch and coast (or brake, whatever is necessary) past the bike or deer or midget or whatever is in the road. you dont NEED to downshift. when your in a situation where you are actually faced with something you have to avoid, your focus should shift from going fast/making a good time to saving the car, yourself, the midget dancing in the middle of the road, and not having any sort of damage done to either party.

2 hands on the wheel FTW

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lol, you've never been on a mtn. run have you...

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Originally Posted by jesse4846

doesnt it make more sense to be able to steer the car instead of downshifting? i mean, if it really comes down to it, just push in the clutch and coast (or brake, whatever is necessary) past the bike or deer or midget or whatever is in the road. you dont NEED to downshift. when your in a situation where you are actually faced with something you have to avoid, your focus should shift from going fast/making a good time to saving the car, yourself, the midget dancing in the middle of the road, and not having any sort of damage done to either party.

2 hands on the wheel FTW

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one point i also want to bring up is on a mountain run.....a bike, car, ped, whatever can be on the otherside

your automatically supposed to slow down to speed where its safe for all. A mtn run isnt a 100% safe thing and its a responsibility of the person participating to be able to evaluate a situation on the fly.

Its not a racetrack where things like random obsticles dont happen so if im going down a pass through a blind turn i will probably be going at 85% of my and the cars ability simply because of what could be on the other side.



This senario would change to 100% if im going over a blind hill at road atlanta. ~ im saying Their wont be a bike staranded for me to hit.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

some people gotta work! then eat lunch :D

err yeahhh, if i'm sideways through a turn the last think i'm doing is letting off the throttle or touching the brakes.

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if your in a spin, you dont wanna be full throttle the whole time... thats called being outta control.

speedminded Replying to Thread Top Four Tips For Driving Like A Pro (very good read!) @ 01:05 PM

^^ lol.

and it doesnt matter if ive been on a mtn run. when your in a situation where youre gonna hit somebody/something, MY first instinct is to slow down and get past the trouble, and its not necessary to downshift while doing so.

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

one point i also want to bring up is on a mountain run.....a bike, car, ped, whatever can be on the otherside

your automatically supposed to slow down to speed where its safe for all. A mtn run isnt a 100% safe thing and its a responsibility of the person participating to be able to evaluate a situation on the fly.

Its not a racetrack where things like random obsticles dont happen so if im going down a pass through a blind turn i will probably be going at 85% of my and the cars ability simply because of what could be on the other side.



This senario would change to 100% if im going over a blind hill at road atlanta. ~ im saying Their wont be a bike staranded for me to hit.

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It's no different than a rally race where you DON"T have a corner worker and flag at every single turn...you have to be prepared for what it around the bend. When you go for a mile or two at a time and every single right hand turn is a blind curve you have to be prepared for the worst and be prepared to prevent an incident. Two hands on the wheel and slamming on the brakes will probably put you into the oncoming lane in a right hand turn. What about when simply letting off the gas may put you into a spin?

I guarantee you I can stop faster and maintain better control by using one hand on the wheel and feet on the clutch, brake, & gas while downshifting all at the same time than someone with 2 hands on the wheels and both feet on the brakes.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

It's no different than a rally race where you DON"T have a corner worker and flag at every single turn...you have to be prepared for what it around the bend. When you go for a mile or two at a time and every single right hand turn is a blind curve you have to be prepared for the worst and be prepared to prevent an incident. Two hands on the wheel and slamming on the brakes will probably put you into the oncoming lane in a right hand turn. What about when simply letting off the gas may put you into a spin?

I guarantee you I can stop faster and maintain better control by using one hand on the wheel and feet on the clutch, brake, & gas while downshifting all at the same time than someone with 2 hands on the wheels and both feet on the brakes.

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your an idiot if youre driving on an every day public road like its a rally stage. if thats the case, and im not necessarily saying it is, then i hope you spin and fly off a cliff on one of your mtn runs.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

some people gotta work! then eat lunch :D

err yeahhh, if i'm sideways through a turn the last think i'm doing is letting off the throttle or touching the brakes.

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if your already in a spin dumbass. not sh!t if your sliding nail the gas and drift that mothafawka

i think its funny how people try to act like they know what there talking about, yet if u put them on a road course with 30 other cars they would have no clue what to do

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Originally Posted by speedminded

lol, you've never been on a mtn. run have you...

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you've never been on on a road course have you??

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Originally Posted by jesse4846

your an idiot if youre driving on an every day public road like its a rally stage. if thats the case, and im not necessarily saying it is, then i hope you spin and fly off a cliff on one of your mtn runs.

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I bet your Miata is cute :)

There's a reason why experienced people run at night, far less traffic & people to contend with plus you can see the reflections of headlights and taillights around a turn even if you can't see them ;)

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Originally Posted by speedminded

It's no different than a rally race where you DON"T have a corner worker and flag at every single turn...you have to be prepared for what it around the bend. When you go for a mile or two at a time and every single right hand turn is a blind curve you have to be prepared for the worst and be prepared to prevent an incident. Two hands on the wheel and slamming on the brakes will probably put you into the oncoming lane in a right hand turn. What about when simply letting off the gas may put you into a spin?

I guarantee you I can stop faster and maintain better control by using one hand on the wheel and feet on the clutch, brake, & gas while downshifting all at the same time than someone with 2 hands on the wheels and both feet on the brakes.

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so let me get this staright... if theres a deer in the road, your not gonna hit the brakes. your gonna heel toe and supa dpa jDm dOrIfTo past the deer?

your a tard.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

I bet your Miata is cute :)

There's a reason why experienced people run at night, far less traffic & people to contend with plus you can see the reflections of headlights and taillights around a turn even if you can't see them ;)

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no...the reason you run at night is because ur not a good enough driver to drive on the road with other cars. and about the headlights...is it because you drive in both lanes so u use the headlights to tell u when to get back in ur lane?

GTFO

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Originally Posted by speedminded

I bet your Miata is cute :)

There's a reason why experienced people run at night, far less traffic & people to contend with plus you can see the reflections of headlights and taillights around a turn even if you can't see them ;)

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your a ****ing ricer. people like YOU give ALLLL the other import drivers a bad rep.

i hope you wrap your jdm pos around a tree on your next mountain run.

and if you think driving fast on a mtn road gives your high speed driving experience, you are stupid. do a track day and get back at me.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

It's no different than a rally race where you DON"T have a corner worker and flag at every single turn...you have to be prepared for what it around the bend. When you go for a mile or two at a time and every single right hand turn is a blind curve you have to be prepared for the worst and be prepared to prevent an incident. Two hands on the wheel and slamming on the brakes will probably put you into the oncoming lane in a right hand turn. What about when simply letting off the gas may put you into a spin?

I guarantee you I can stop faster and maintain better control by using one hand on the wheel and feet on the clutch, brake, & gas while downshifting all at the same time than someone with 2 hands on the wheels and both feet on the brakes.

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this scenario is for a mtn pass situation!!!

speedminded your giving a locked front tires scenario.....not the same thing. Again the point im trying to make is your hands are "NOT" glued to the wheel. If you need to downshift, you can (that comes with practice of learning quick shifting). Put it like this.... if im entering a turn hot (too much speed), and i realize the car is gonna go deep, naturaly ive already been able to rev match the shift in to the proper gear while braking (squeezing >into> squashing) basically trying to avoid lock up. I then put the priority to stay on the road. Even if i have to lose time, it keeps me safe and the car together!

im sure this guy \/ wishes he'd done the same.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...tainRun062.jpg

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Originally Posted by matthewAPM

if your already in a spin dumbass. not sh!t if your sliding nail the gas and drift that mothafawka

i think its funny how people try to act like they know what there talking about, yet if u put them on a road course with 30 other cars they would have no clue what to do

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who are these "people" :???:

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

who are these "people" :???:

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speedminded. lol

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

who are these "people" :???:

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speedminded FTL... u have some knowledge of this stuff...

i drift that turn all the time in the civic on mtn runs. haha.

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Originally Posted by matthewAPM

speedminded FTL... u have some knowledge of this stuff...

i drift that turn all the time in the civic on mtn runs. haha.

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x 3.147....

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Originally Posted by matthewAPM

you've never been on on a road course have you??

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LOL, not if you don't count RA and Roebling or Solo II. The first time cone dodging I had the 7th fastest time of the day out of 40+ cars and the the fastest front wheel drive time in the morning session out of 20+ cars. Already had the ITR swap so was screwed in classes then I put on the Tein Flex and Porsche brakes...lol

Crewed Formula Mazda, Honda Challenge, and NASA teams for 5 years and plan to be running 13hr endurances races in the next 2.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

LOL, not if you don't count RA and Roebling or Solo II. The first time cone dodging I had the 7th fastest time of the day out of 40+ cars and the the fastest front wheel drive time in the morning session out of 20+ cars. Already had the ITR swap so was screwed in classes then I put on the Tein Flex and Porsche brakes...lol

Crewed Formula Mazda, Honda Challenge, and NASA teams for 5 years and plan to be running 13hr endurances races in the next 2.

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with all that experience, youd think tat you wouldnt be so stupid.

IM CALLING SHENANIGANS

dont ruin this thread guys...

not about what he/ she did! :slap:

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Originally Posted by jesse4846

your a ****ing ricer. people like YOU give ALLLL the other import drivers a bad rep.

i hope you wrap your jdm pos around a tree on your next mountain run.

and if you think driving fast on a mtn road gives your high speed driving experience, you are stupid. do a track day and get back at me.

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lol, you mean my USDM Integra? Hrmm...I've never once used the term JDM when referring to a right hand drive car.

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

dont ruin this thread guys...

not about what he/ she did! :slap:

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okay, okay...

but hes wrong. /rant.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

LOL, not if you don't count RA and Roebling or Solo II. The first time cone dodging I had the 7th fastest time of the day out of 40+ cars and the the fastest front wheel drive time in the morning session out of 20+ cars. Already had the ITR swap so was screwed in classes then I put on the Tein Flex and Porsche brakes...lol

Crewed Formula Mazda, Honda Challenge, and NASA teams for 5 years and plan to be running 13hr endurances races in the next 2.

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solo 2 is not a road course...thats autocross. and i dont think u want to get me started about that... and just because u drove the track doesnt mean ur good or know what ur talking about, a lot of people have been on RA that suck

so your gonna do the VIR 13 in what car? with what team?

run some Grand Am races then come talk to me...

speedminded
Im still waiting for your response to post #56!

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Originally Posted by matthewAPM

solo 2 is not a road course...thats autocross. and i dont think u want to get me started about that... and just because u drove the track doesnt mean ur good or know what ur talking about, a lot of people have been on RA that suck

so your gonna do the VIR 13 in what car? with what team?

run some Grand Am races then come talk to me...

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haha pwnt.

matt im on my way up thurr

anyway, what do u think is the number 1 thing that YOU need to work on?

I need to work on my hand movements and probably braking.

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Originally Posted by jesse4846

I need to work on my hand movements and probably braking.

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haha. yeah thats what i told u. braking is easy to work on. hand is what u need to work on. experience comes with being smooth. the more relazed the faster u are

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Originally Posted by matthewAPM

haha. yeah thats what i told u. braking is easy to work on. hand is what u need to work on. experience comes with being smooth. the more relazed the faster u are

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& where is this gonna happen *listen*

lol discussing driving tips....

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Originally Posted by JITB

lol discussing driving tips....

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whats wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

this scenario is for a mtn pass situation!!!

speedminded your giving a locked front tires scenario.....not the same thing. Again the point im trying to make is your hands are "NOT" glued to the wheel. If you need to downshift, you can (that comes with practice of learning quick shifting). Put it like this.... if im entering a turn hot (too much speed), and i realize the car is gonna go deep, naturaly ive already been able to rev match the shift in to the proper gear while braking (squeezing >into> squashing) basically trying to avoid lock up. I then put the priority to stay on the road. Even if i have to lose time, it keeps me safe and the car together!

im sure this guy \/ wishes he'd done the same.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...tainRun062.jpg




who are these "people" :???:

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I'm not talking about going too hot in a turn, saying if there is a reason you have to stop in a blind turn I can engine brake (harsh rev match) alot quicker than someone with two hands on the wheel trying to brake without downshifting. Driving schools teach you how to steer and control a car under hard breaking, there's a reason for it.

Regarding the photo, after 10 years of personally organizing mountain runs I've had ONE person involved in an incident...that was an unassociated oncoming bike that dropped and slid into one our cars (NemesisDigital).

One incident in 10 years and then only one person on any of MY runs has ever gotten a speeding ticket and that was afterwards heading south on Hwy. 400. That's out of easily 75-100 different people, some who have gone on to be professional rally drivers and pro/semi-pro drifters.

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

whats wrong with that?

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its gets nowhere.. everyone drives different. right and wrong is different between each person. Somethings are the same.. but every driver drives different.

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Originally Posted by JITB

its gets nowhere.. everyone drives different. right and wrong is different between each person. Somethings are the same.. but every driver drives different.

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there are still proven techniques that work for everyone and are good basics for people to start on.

Also thats on reason racing schools exist... they do the same thing everytime because those tasks are proven to be quick... if youve got the experience and fiqure you are quicker doing something dif then you are above that step.

Motorcycle schools are a better example. .... all ive met who took schwanz's school at road atlanta said they are a better faster rider but more importantly they are safer on the streets.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

I'm not talking about going too hot in a turn, saying if there is a reason you have to stop in a blind turn I can engine brake (harsh rev match) alot quicker than someone with two hands on the wheel trying to brake without downshifting. Driving schools teach you how to steer and control a car under hard breaking, there's a reason for it.

Regarding the photo, after 10 years of personally organizing mountain runs I've had ONE person involved in an incident...that was an unassociated oncoming bike that dropped and slid into one our cars (NemesisDigital).

One incident in 10 years and then only one person on any of MY runs has ever gotten a speeding ticket and that was afterwards heading south on Hwy. 400. That's out of easily 75-100 different people, some who have gone on to be professional rally drivers and pro/semi-pro drifters.

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ill just agree to disagree.... two different things, 1 works for you but doesnt for me

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

there are still proven techniques that work for everyone and are good basics for people to start on.

Also thats on reason racing schools exist... they do the same thing everytime because those tasks are proven to be quick... if youve got the experience and fiqure you are quicker doing something dif then you are above that step.

Motorcycle chools are a better example. .... all ive met who took schwanz's school at road atlanta said they are a better faster rider but more importantly they are safer on the streets.

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i agree, but as far as this thread, goes and online. You can see that this thread ended in a argument. like i knew it would especially when i saw matthewapm posting...lol

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Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

Motorcycle chools are a better example. .... all ive met who took schwanz's school at road atlanta said they are a better faster rider but more importantly they are safer on the streets.

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I personally think everyone should be on a motorcycle before getting in a car, bet you that would cut all accidents down by sayyy...maybe 50%?

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Originally Posted by JITB

i agree, but as far as this thread, goes and online. You can see that this thread ended in a argument. like i knew it would especially when i saw matthewapm posting...lol

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No, it ended in an argument because most people on IA cant figure out what a discussion is or a difference in opinion.