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Originally Posted by Ran
Add an RX8 to the list and what about the Porsche Panamera?
Maserati Has a "Saloon" as well!
thier nothin wrong with saloons...their some of the fastest cars in the world
example the new TT M5
Love the way this thread transitioned away from the fwd deal.
I am partial to sedans anyway and will always love 4 door vehicles from the M dept.!
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http://www.onlyporsche.net/images/st...e_panamera.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevykev
eww
At least the Panamera is functional and still a decent drivers car....I saw a few 911 limo's out in California :upchuck:Quote:
Originally Posted by HypnoToad
Sorry fwd-ers, but you look at any respected source and it's a straight "no." Can't even be called a debate.
I think they can, like a CRX I always thought of as a sports car, lightweight, good handling, etc. Also old VW's like GTi's and all.
All are classified as sports coupes/compacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
Check through the thread. There are a few respected sources with FWD cars on their sportscar lists. In your opinion it's no debate, but that's yours and yours alone. Judging by the poll, I see more than a few people who disagree with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fcman
i think fwd is NOT a sports car, they can be sporty but i have never seen one classified as a sports car, does not mean im hating though. its just a name
yes, honda prelude FTW
Lotus Elan is a sportscar
so a FWD can be a sports car
Ok, let me rephrase that, any FWD car without a bespoke racing design is not a sports car. That means things like the Type-Rs, etc. anything that is a performance enhanced version of something other than a sports car. This also goes for the M3, M5, M6, these are sports coupes, nothing more. The Z4/Z4M however, are sports cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by HypnoToad
It's a very fine line.
Also, if you really want to get technical, the word sports car was originally only associated with small, light, 2-seater convertibles. It is only recently that the word has become such a gray area, and only because of people attempting to compare souped-up Civics with Lotuses.
yea, i agree with that...i would never call a civic,srt4, celica or anything like that a sport car,they can be sporty..but not a sports carQuote:
Originally Posted by fcman
i have to... HAVE TO... HAVE TO disagree. imo, the c6z06 is one of the most agressive looking, sexiest cars on the planet!Quote:
Originally Posted by HypnoToad
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Originally Posted by collins
For however much I hate FWD cars...I have to say that there are SOME FWD sportscars. Drivetrain layout isn't all of it, or else you could call any ancient family sedan from the 60's with a RWD a sports car.
GTI, CRX, Del Sol (maybe), Mini Cooper, and a few others are FWD sports cars. A Integra Type R isn't, IMO. Neither is any Civic ever made, or Sentras, or Altimas, or SRT4, or any of those other sedan/coupe family cars. If its based on a family car or whatever and its FWD, its not a sports car, its a sport compact (as long as it has some power and handling).
To me, its more about the original purpose of the car. Look at the Mini Cooper or Honda CRX. 2 seats, low to the ground, great handling, etc, etc. I've got a couple of Fieros and I call them sports cars, even if they only have 140 hp. MR layout, 2 seats, low to the ground, good handling and decent speed.
what about the rsx type s or type r?
also the mazdaspeed 6?
whats up with that?
No and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by hXc007
Nothing's up with that.
x2,thiers 2 honda sports carsQuote:
Originally Posted by fcman
s2k and NSX,thats it
." I suppose I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it -- but I'm not going to try it! That's the point. Housewives heading to the Safeway aren't going to try it either. The joys of rear-drive are accessible to them -- it's the joys of FWD that are reserved for the skilled Grassroots Motorsport elite."Quote:
Originally Posted by VooDooXII
So basically this guy is saying he is a highly unskilled driver and prefers a RWD car based soley on the test results he himself had with an early 80's Audi 100, a VW cabrio, and a Solara??? :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: When you test V8 Mustangs against VW cabrio's ofcourse you're going to think the Ford is more fun to drive. He even in the article admits the RSX was faster on a test track then a 330i BMW, but still prefers the RWD because he doesnt have to do as much work :lmfao: ...what a bleeding little vag
Both the CRX (JDM) and Mini-Cooper have backseats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinton
Define recent, because I've seen reliable sources define FWD cars from the 80's as popular sportscars. Also, I highly doubt that the reasoning for classifying FWD cars as sportscars it to compete with Lotuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by fcman
You started off with a decent approach, but now you're just coming off as an elitist-prick.
Me, elitist? Hell no. I love all cars, sports car or not. I just hate how every thing is becoming a "sports car" now. I mean seriously, I heard someone call the new Lancer a sports car, lol. When will it end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ran
But on the topic of me coming off as an elitist, before my RX-7 I owned a GS-R and I had a lot more fun in that. Not to mention I'm ready to get rid of my car and get an 03 cobra or an M3, and I don't consider either of them sports cars.
I feel you man. That's one of the reasons why I started the thread. I guess your post just came off in a negative light to me. No harm no foul. :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by fcman
i say yes i mean itr? crx and so on but rwd ftw
and yes rwd= more fun to drive even if its slower.
You need to say that currently Honda has two sports cars... Honda was built around racing, and their older models show that. On a skidpad, the del sol pulled the same numbers as a Porsche. You also need to look at the predecessors of the s2000.... The s600, s800, and s1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by HypnoToad
Personally, I believe that fwd cars can be fine sports cars. I loved all 6 of the del sols that I owned, and I definitely consider them sports cars.
another question to ask is, among rwd CARS, not trucks, where does the line get drawn about sports car vs regular car?
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Originally Posted by 95alty
I will also vote yes, RWD is a must for it to be a real sports car.
i think yes they can.. and there are plenty fwd sport cars. to me sport car means performance aimed. WE all know there are normal cars that just get driven and thats what there made for. Than they have cars that get produced that have more sport car abilities until recently most of them have been FWD..
See, now you're confusing "sporty cars" with "sports cars"Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
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You were right the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JITB
:no: I hope you are kidding.....a Altima IS NOT a sports car.... :thinking: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by 95alty
In my book a real sports car is a 2 seater usually, lightweight, awesome suspension, fast revving, etc. A 240SX is not a sports car, it is sporty, but not a sports car, a EVO or STI is not a sports car, when I hear sports cars I think back to British roots like old MG's and stuff, Miatas, Elise, etc etc. Even in my book CRX's and small lightweight performance minded FWD cars.
those are roadsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
When I think sports cars, I think of vettes, vipers, porsches etc. Typically (but not limited to) rwd high speed, no frills cars designed to go fast. You sir are referring to roadsters. Light weight, hi-revving open top machines , also no frills. THe lines tend to blur when you define the vehicles, but those are roadsters. They are apart of the sports car genus but just like you've got super cars, hyper cars, roadsters, sports cars and sporty cars, while they may all fall under the umbrella, each one is different.
let me slap an NGM blower kit on my car and then you can try to tell me it's still not a sports car...
30 years ago the words roadster and sports car were synonymous.Quote:
Originally Posted by superboost
No one ever goes through a mid-life crisis and gets a Jetta.