2 pussy's fighting at Barett : ZOSICK vs another!

[Vteckidd]

I get what youre saying, id still be worried about shooting with a crowd of people around

[tnomud]

when the video first popped up, i saw the shirtless dude with Karate Kid Gloves on, and thought for sure he was going to strip.

[tnomud]

Mister Miyagi would have shut that shit down!

[tnomud]

[Vteckidd]

Lets say kid pulled a gun out and shot ZOSICK. You know that shit was on video. Was there any fear for his life from a kid with MMA gloves on? youre better off not shooting when theres 100+ witnesses and camera phones around

my .02

[1civic]

Lets say kid pulled a gun out and shot ZOSICK. You know that shit was on video. Was there any fear for his life from a kid with MMA gloves on? youre better off not shooting when theres 100+ witnesses and camera phones around

my .02

You are right, but Zosick has let it be known that he does carry a gun.. I'm really surprised that he did not pull it with him being heated like that.. I'm sure it was in arms reach when he went to the vette.. Why chance that?

[tnomud]

There needs to be a dance-off!

[eraser4g63]

Wow people still go to barrett?? And To ZO I have seen 10 year olds with better fighting stances.

[Boosted FC]

Wow people still go to barrett?? And To ZO I have seen 10 year olds with better fighting stances.

lol, where the hell have you been?

[Vteckidd]

anyone that brags about owning a gun, is a pussy to begin with.

Bottom line is nothing in the video warranted a gun being pulled from either side. All a gun does is escalate things to a point that cant be returned. Now if the kid was by himself and ZOSHITHEAD was threatening thats different. Or if there was 10 guys trying to jump you, different.

But youre in a public place surrounded by people and witnesses, the cops will determine "DID YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DRAW A WEAPON" , the answer is yes, he could have run away, he could have asked for help, called the cops, gotten to his car, etc.

[1civic]

anyone that brags about owning a gun, is a pussy to begin with.

Bottom line is nothing in the video warranted a gun being pulled from either side. All a gun does is escalate things to a point that cant be returned. Now if the kid was by himself and ZOSHITHEAD was threatening thats different. Or if there was 10 guys trying to jump you, different.

But youre in a public place surrounded by people and witnesses, the cops will determine "DID YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DRAW A WEAPON" , the answer is yes, he could have run away, he could have asked for help, called the cops, gotten to his car, etc.

I guess zosick does not care to share his side of the story, I haven't checked the evo forums, and that is where it started from my understanding.. But yes, as for guns, I have seen people carry that probably should not be.. But no mental checks are required to carry one..LOL

[Got Milk?]

anyone that brags about owning a gun, is a pussy to begin with.

Bottom line is nothing in the video warranted a gun being pulled from either side. All a gun does is escalate things to a point that cant be returned. Now if the kid was by himself and ZOSHITHEAD was threatening thats different. Or if there was 10 guys trying to jump you, different.

But youre in a public place surrounded by people and witnesses, the cops will determine "DID YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DRAW A WEAPON" , the answer is yes, he could have run away, he could have asked for help, called the cops, gotten to his car, etc.

That statement is very false.

In this video, if the kiddo turned and shot ZOsick, it would have clearly been self defense. He wouldn't even been arrested with that video proof. Being threatened while alone, or with hundred thousand people there, it's no different. Being threatened by one person, or a group of people is no different, threat is a threat. Especially a physical threat. Imagine if ZOsick knocked him out and kiddo fell and had permanent brain damage, was that not enough to use a gun to avoid such thing, under GA law, it is.

Learn your rights, and laws of the south.

[metalmatt47]

That statement is very false.

In this video, if the kiddo turned and shot ZOsick, it would have clearly been self defense. He wouldn't even been arrested with that video proof. Being threatened while alone, or with hundred thousand people there, it's no different. Being threatened by one person, or a group of people is no different, threat is a threat. Especially a physical threat. Imagine if ZOsick knocked him out and kiddo fell and had permanent brain damage, was that not enough to use a gun to avoid such thing, under GA law, it is.

Learn your rights, and laws of the south.

I'm a little late here but.....

I will agree with you 100% here. Fact is, crowd of people or not, NO ONE was acting in any way to stop the altercation. It would have been very easy for a few people to stand in front of him and ended it right there, but the fact is no one bother to do much more then tell ZO-puss that it wasn't worth it.



Let me tell you a little story...

A few years back, I had a friend that was mugged by a group of guys that decided to take advantage of their groups numbers. My friend was carrying, and decided to 'man up' and try to just fight them away instead of using his legal right to bear arms. Fact is, he took one hit to the back of the head and never regained consciousness. The low lives left him to die in the gutter. He was in a coma for a week before he finally died from head trauma.

With that said, if I'm carrying and someone decides to attack me, it's fucking done right there. I've got a long life to live, and I'm not playing around anymore. You guys can call the pussy card all you want, but you never know if you're gonna get hit, stumble, and smack your head on a curb/car/etc and it be over with right there.

If someone's gonna take the time to attack a man walking away from a fight, they better be ready to pay. Whether it's a shot to the chest or a shot to the knee.

[OnURleft]

I'm a little late here but.....

I will agree with you 100% here. Fact is, crowd of people or not, NO ONE was acting in any way to stop the altercation. It would have been very easy for a few people to stand in front of him and ended it right there, but the fact is no one bother to do much more then tell ZO-puss that it wasn't worth it.



Let me tell you a little story...

A few years back, I had a friend that was mugged by a group of guys that decided to take advantage of their groups numbers. My friend was carrying, and decided to 'man up' and try to just fight them away instead of using his legal right to bear arms. Fact is, he took one hit to the back of the head and never regained consciousness. The low lives left him to die in the gutter. He was in a coma for a week before he finally died from head trauma.

With that said, if I'm carrying and someone decides to attack me, it's fucking done right there. I've got a long life to live, and I'm not playing around anymore. You guys can call the pussy card all you want, but you never know if you're gonna get hit, stumble, and smack your head on a curb/car/etc and it be over with right there.

If someone's gonna take the time to attack a man walking away from a fight, they better be ready to pay. Whether it's a shot to the chest or a shot to the knee.

Great post. I can relate to this and your situation. People want to talk shiz and act like the inbred pieces of trash like in this video, but they don't realize that it's just their mouth that's going to get them shot. Be careful, control your emotions. Don't get shot, then go to jail for getting yourself shot.

[Austin?]

i have to dissagree with your earlier post.

There's something call " stand your ground law in GA". he dont have to run or moved an inch in order to blow this ZOsucka away.

Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using threats or force to the degree they reasonably believe it is necessary to stop another person's imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using deadly force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (unless it is regarding defense of habitation, which has it's own requirements below). You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. 16-3-21)

But youre in a public place surrounded by people and witnesses, the cops will determine "DID YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DRAW A WEAPON" , the answer is yes, he could have run away, he could have asked for help, called the cops, gotten to his car, etc.

[1civic]

i have to dissagree with your earlier post.

There's something call " stand your ground law in GA". he dont have to run or moved an inch in order to blow this ZOsucka away.

Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using threats or force to the degree they reasonably believe it is necessary to stop another person's imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using deadly force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (unless it is regarding defense of habitation, which has it's own requirements below). You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. 16-3-21)

If you show that video to a judge or jury they will charge you with murder, not capital murder, not a life sentence ether, but atleast 15yrs.. That was not a case where the aggressor was still coming, if so then hell ya, shoot his ass..

I have a buddy that just did 6yrs for some shit like this, 3 on 1, knife was pulled and he killed one of them.. He got 15 do 5, but did 6yrs!!
rest on probation (9yrs)..

Don't trust the law, the people convict you!!

[Vteckidd]

so this is all over a street race? was money involved?

[1civic]

so this is all over a street race? was money involved?

Edit:

Same ol shit, we will need him or someone that was there to post more details..

[DeeAOne]

I love the two step move you got going after you bitch slapped ol' dude. You really are pathetic. lolol

[-EnVus-]

If the people there would have just turned and not watched or ignored them it would have been nothing.....Its the attention and witness of others that escalates things.

[onebadgt]

if you think that a jury would let him go if he shot zosick you an idiot! Yes there are laws giving you rights to defend yourself, but nowhere in any of those laws are you permitted to pull out a deadly weapon and kill an unarmed man! Unless of course your calling zosicks hands weapons lol, in which case they would compare to box cutters.

[boosted347]

the "Stand your ground" law only works if you are in fear for your life...in this instance there is no fear for your life or serious injury from a guy with MMA gloves on lol if he shot ZOsick he would be charged...easily no questions asked. This is all hypothetical of course, regardless no need to turn car related shit into this. Carry on

[C230K]

Here we go with the debating who is right and wrong shit again, it was just a silly fight get over it.

[boosted347]

Here we go with the debating who is right and wrong shit again, it was just a silly fight get over it.

Im right i mean i own a mustang but agreed no need to worry about it, it has nothing to do with any of us

[David88vert]

Technically, if he spun around and shot ZOSICK immediately (without hesitation), any decent lawyer should be able to get him off IF he was even ever charged.
If he took time to deliberately pull a weapon out and had reasonable distance between them, he would probably be charged. Time and distance make all the difference in a case like this, as GA laws are deliberately left vague.
I have listed the law below.



O.C.G.A. § 16-3-21
Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution


(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:

(1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant;

(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony; or

(3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.

(c) Any rule, regulation, or policy of any agency of the state or any ordinance, resolution, rule, regulation, or policy of any county, municipality, or other political subdivision of the state which is in conflict with this Code section shall be null, void, and of no force and effect.

(d) In a prosecution for murder or manslaughter, if a defendant raises as a defense a justification provided by subsection (a) of this Code section, the defendant, in order to establish the defendant's reasonable belief that the use of force or deadly force was immediately necessary, may be permitted to offer:

(1) Relevant evidence that the defendant had been the victim of acts of family violence or child abuse committed by the deceased, as such acts are described in Code Sections 19-13-1 and 19-15-1, respectively; and

(2) Relevant expert testimony regarding the condition of the mind of the defendant at the time of the offense, including those relevant facts and circumstances relating to the family violence or child abuse that are the bases of the expert's opinion.

HISTORY: Laws 1833, Cobb's 1851 Digest, p. 785; Code 1863, § 4230; Code 1868, § 4267; Code 1873, § 4333; Code 1882, § 4333; Penal Code 1895, § 73; Penal Code 1910, § 73; Code 1933, § 26-1014; Code 1933, § 26-902, enacted by Ga. L. 1968, p. 1249, § 1; Ga. L. 1975, p. 1209, § 1; Ga. L. 1993, p. 1716, § 2; Ga. L. 2001, p. 1247, § 1.

[boosted347]

Technically, if he spun around and shot ZOSICK immediately (without hesitation), any decent lawyer should be able to get him off IF he was even ever charged.
If he took time to deliberately pull a weapon out and had reasonable distance between them, he would probably be charged. Time and distance make all the difference in a case like this, as GA laws are deliberately left vague.
I have listed the law below.



O.C.G.A. § 16-3-21
Use of force in defense of self or others; evidence of belief that force was necessary in murder or manslaughter prosecution


(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23, a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:

(1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant;

(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony; or

(3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.

(c) Any rule, regulation, or policy of any agency of the state or any ordinance, resolution, rule, regulation, or policy of any county, municipality, or other political subdivision of the state which is in conflict with this Code section shall be null, void, and of no force and effect.

(d) In a prosecution for murder or manslaughter, if a defendant raises as a defense a justification provided by subsection (a) of this Code section, the defendant, in order to establish the defendant's reasonable belief that the use of force or deadly force was immediately necessary, may be permitted to offer:

(1) Relevant evidence that the defendant had been the victim of acts of family violence or child abuse committed by the deceased, as such acts are described in Code Sections 19-13-1 and 19-15-1, respectively; and

(2) Relevant expert testimony regarding the condition of the mind of the defendant at the time of the offense, including those relevant facts and circumstances relating to the family violence or child abuse that are the bases of the expert's opinion.

HISTORY: Laws 1833, Cobb's 1851 Digest, p. 785; Code 1863, § 4230; Code 1868, § 4267; Code 1873, § 4333; Code 1882, § 4333; Penal Code 1895, § 73; Penal Code 1910, § 73; Code 1933, § 26-1014; Code 1933, § 26-902, enacted by Ga. L. 1968, p. 1249, § 1; Ga. L. 1975, p. 1209, § 1; Ga. L. 1993, p. 1716, § 2; Ga. L. 2001, p. 1247, § 1.

Thanks david lol you always post stuff like this

[Got Milk?]

nvm, this is dumb.


Like someone stated, this country allows High School drop outs decide the faith of a innocent man, and not the law.

[Vteckidd]

Let me clarify.

Public place with with 100+ witnesses
ZOSICK aggressive towards dude, threatens him verbally, then goes to his car to get "GLOVES"
Walks towards kid, kid backs up turns around
ZOSICK swings at him, barely hits him (sounds like) and kid turns around and says "WHATS UP WHAT THE FUCK"
ZOSICK backs up

At any point in that exchange if kid pulled a gun and shot ZOSICK, HE WOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER. All it takes is a few witnesses to say "dude wasnt even injured", ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK WHEN THE COPS SHOW UP?

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

IN FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE IS NOT SOME AFFLICTION WEARING DOUCHE BAG THROWING A SUCKER PUNCH.

Dave is right, about the only way he gets away with shooting is if he gets hit and immediately pulls and fires. then he can play the"he attacked me i was scared i didnt know what to do" but even that would be questionable IMO.

Either way you would have hundreds of thousands in legal bills over a doosh canoe throwing a pussy punch.

USE YOUR HEAD, NOT YOUR GUN. MUCH MORE MACHO.

[Got Milk?]

Let me clarify.

Public place with with 100+ witnesses
ZOSICK aggressive towards dude, threatens him verbally, then goes to his car to get "GLOVES"
Walks towards kid, kid backs up turns around
ZOSICK swings at him, barely hits him (sounds like) and kid turns around and says "WHATS UP WHAT THE FUCK"
ZOSICK backs up

At any point in that exchange if kid pulled a gun and shot ZOSICK, HE WOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER. All it takes is a few witnesses to say "dude wasnt even injured", ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK WHEN THE COPS SHOW UP?

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

IN FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE IS NOT SOME AFFLICTION WEARING DOUCHE BAG THROWING A SUCKER PUNCH.

Dave is right, about the only way he gets away with shooting is if he gets hit and immediately pulls and fires. then he can play the"he attacked me i was scared i didnt know what to do" but even that would be questionable IMO.

Either way you would have hundreds of thousands in legal bills over a doosh canoe throwing a pussy punch.

USE YOUR HEAD, NOT YOUR GUN. MUCH MORE MACHO.

I was going to be done with this thread, but your post is somewhat true and false, but I'll clarify what I meant with my defense.

If the kid pulled the gun while ZOSick charged at him, he would get off easy, with a shittiest public defender in town to be exact. (you kinda implied this in your post, but this is where I'm coming from too)

Now if the kid shot ZOSick after the exchange, after the threat has been done and finished with, then yes, the kiddo would easily get years behind bars. That's why for people who carry, it's a good thing to learn to quick draw.

Like someone stated, its all about timing the situation. You have every right to defend, stop, a threat that is about to evolve into an illegal manner and a physical damage to you or your loved one.

(P.S. I'm not coming across as some gun junky, I don't own guns)

[dvpjdm]

All this gun talk over a redneck with some Oakley gloves throwing a cheap shot. Lol that guy handled it as bout as best as possible, I don't think I would've had the composure to not swing back. But all that aside Z0's ol lady could get it.

[Sinfix_15]

I dont think anything Zosick did would justify being shot. As wrong as it was, i still dont think he deserved to be shot. I wouldnt have even tried to hurt him in that situation. If someone approached me shirtless in gloves and doing the stanky leg with their chest sticking out.... id probably assume they were drunk and try to put them down without injuring them. A guy like Zosick needs his ego injured, nothing more.

[justnprsh07]

Whos right vs who's not= who cares!!! Having video zodick is the puss I have so long called him out for being = epic!!! What a fucking looser.... You win some and u loose some so move on and race some more Hondas with your vette so u get more ethug points

[tnomud]

You guys are running off on a tangent here. I was just making a point that he was very lucky that someone didn't put a few slugs in him....thats all. These situations escalate quickly, legal or illegal, right or wrong.

Personally, had someone punched me from behind and actually made contact like that, a 10mm Georgia Arms Hollowpoint would have put a large portion of his lungs on the back window of his car. But, that's how I would have handled it. I have great attorneys and would deal with the mess.

Not everyone would react like me, and some would do nothing. But, my point is, there are poeple out there with varying opinions on how to handle it. He is lucky, thats all. Just as I am the few times that I have popped people in the face at intersections, restaraunts, and waddings in the heat of the moment.

[Vteckidd]

Personally, had someone punched me from behind and actually made contact like that, a 10mm Georgia Arms Hollowpoint would have put a large portion of his lungs on the back window of his car. But, that's how I would have handled it. I have great attorneys and would deal with the mess.

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SO youre basically saying anyone who swings at you youll blow them away? Just doesnt make much sense to me.

I was always taught to only use a gun if you have no other option, and if youre in danger for your life. If someone throws a punch at me, im punching back even if i do have my .40 on me, just because i dont think being punched warrants killing someone.

As a gun owner you have a responsibility to be smarter than using the weapon as a retaliation tool. You have a duty to respect its use and no when to use it. you also have a responsibility to DIFFUSE a potentially hostile situation FIRST. THe fact there are several people in here advocating shooting someone and killing them because of 1 punch to the back of the head when theres 100 people around, just shows how immature and uninformed people are.

Not you personally sir, just in general

[David88vert]

SO youre basically saying anyone who swings at you youll blow them away? Just doesnt make much sense to me.

I was always taught to only use a gun if you have no other option, and if youre in danger for your life. If someone throws a punch at me, im punching back even if i do have my .40 on me, just because i dont think being punched warrants killing someone.

As a gun owner you have a responsibility to be smarter than using the weapon as a retaliation tool. You have a duty to respect its use and no when to use it. you also have a responsibility to DIFFUSE a potentially hostile situation FIRST. THe fact there are several people in here advocating shooting someone and killing them because of 1 punch to the back of the head when theres 100 people around, just shows how immature and uninformed people are.

Not you personally sir, just in general

If you have a firearm on you, you do not want to get into a fistfight. First, you obviously could lose control of the weapon and have it used on you. However, even if it stays in its holster, you will still face more serious charges just by having a weapon on your person. You would be better off to avoid any situations in the first place, but if you have a weapon on yuo, you had better be prepared to use it. Check with your lawyer, and he will tell you the same.

[Vteckidd]

If you have a firearm on you, you do not want to get into a fistfight. First, you obviously could lose control of the weapon and have it used on you. However, even if it stays in its holster, you will still face more serious charges just by having a weapon on your person. You would be better off to avoid any situations in the first place, but if you have a weapon on yuo, you had better be prepared to use it. Check with your lawyer, and he will tell you the same.

I meant on as in around me (in my car, within my reach , etc) I almost never carry on me because I just dont feel the need to. I know some people like it and thats fine, i just dont feel the need to.

If i was going to a car meet, i wouldnt be carrying a gun on me, it would be in my car.

I know some people will say "Oh well whats the point then", my point is there are too many hot heads already walking around with guns, we dont need 1 more (ME) lol

My main point is if someone punches me im not shooting them.


EDIT: But i do agree with you 100%, if kid was carrying hes better off retreating and diffusing the situation which goes back to what i said earlier, as a gun owner you have a responsibility to diffuse the situation and put yourself in a position NOT to use your weapon

[tnomud]

SO youre basically saying anyone who swings at you youll blow them away? Just doesnt make much sense to me.

I was always taught to only use a gun if you have no other option, and if youre in danger for your life. If someone throws a punch at me, im punching back even if i do have my .40 on me, just because i dont think being punched warrants killing someone.

As a gun owner you have a responsibility to be smarter than using the weapon as a retaliation tool. You have a duty to respect its use and no when to use it. you also have a responsibility to DIFFUSE a potentially hostile situation FIRST. THe fact there are several people in here advocating shooting someone and killing them because of 1 punch to the back of the head when theres 100 people around, just shows how immature and uninformed people are.

Not you personally sir, just in general

I am old, do not cause trouble, and carry multiple weapons at all times. I also shoot competitively (handguns and rifles). I am not asking anyone to agree with me at all. But, I am perfectly capable of shooting just the target that I want, without harming others. I am well aware of the laws, more than most. To me, a punch to the back of the head falls under "reasonable threat" and gets a lead reward. I have good attorneys, that's how I roll. Where I live, the cops will give you a pat on the back for making their job easier. If I am in the wrong, then I am prepared to deal with it.

NOTE: I also rarely attend larges gatherings of hooligans, thugs, and volatile situations.

[Vteckidd]

I am old, do not cause trouble, and carry multiple weapons at all times. I also shoot competitively (handguns and rifles). I am not asking anyone to agree with me at all. But, I am perfectly capable of shooting just the target that I want, without harming others. I am well aware of the laws, more than most. To me, a punch to the back of the head falls under "reasonable threat" and gets a lead reward. I have good attorneys, that's how I roll. Where I live, the cops will give you a pat on the back for making their job easier. If I am in the wrong, then I am prepared to deal with it.

NOTE: I also rarely attend larges gatherings of hooligans, thugs, and volatile situations.

*Makes mental note never to punch you*

haha

[tnomud]

*Makes mental note never to punch you*

haha

It's fine if you do not agree, not eveyone does. But, I have a friend in prison for the rest of his life for one punch. A single punch to a guy who was hitting on him (he is not gay). That single punch knocked the guy out, he fell back, hit head on sidewalk, and died. A strong hit the the back of the head can paralize and/or kill immediately. To me, at my age, even being a superbadassmothafucka, I'd rather spend 20 behind bars, than 50 in a wheelchair, wearing a helmet and a drooolcup.

[David88vert]

NOTE: I also rarely attend larges gatherings of hooligans, thugs, and volatile situations.

Correct solution.