should the entire kf be password protected?

[Lankhoss]

here he is implying his car ran 10s






Simple math means "a little over a second faster than me" and thinking that the person ran 8s, means Bstone was saying his car had gone 10s already.

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Thacker GTO


LIES

So this is the closest you have come to your claims, and I admit it is a good find and a post I was unaware of.

However, he still A) never actually claimed a 9 second pass and B) it sounds like he's INSINUATING a 10 second pass, not a 9.

I still don't see where he claims 900whp or calls his car God's chariot.

There's so much talk about respect and lack thereof in this thread, and for some reason people think it's all about the car they drive. I don't give a shit that you drive a CRX. I don't care if you're faster or slower than me. But one of the biggest reasons I don't like you, is because you flat out exagerrate most of the accusations you make against people. That completely kills your credibility, and does nothing more than create drama. I don't think you can be objective about anything, as it looks like you just spout off whatever sounds best to you.

I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Btstone, and they may very well be good reasons. He's my friend, and if you don't like him that's your choice.....I'm not going to hate you because of it. But if you're going to smear accusations across this forum, AT LEAST make them factual or don't make them at all.

[Lankhoss]

i have never seen you out

You gonna race him in the Vette?

Or better yet, are you gonna race him at all? If so, name your terms so this doesn't keep going back and forth for several pages!

[btstone]

You gonna race him in the Vette?

Or better yet, are you gonna race him at all? If so, name your terms so this doesn't keep going back and forth for several pages!

i will run him in the vette if he wants, but he is gonna have to let me get it back together, i got that shit all torn apart. and then ill race him heads up from roll or dig

[Black4DrEK]

We will finally get a run in the 'KF'

[Vteckidd]

Dig run

[Vteckidd]

i will run him in the vette if he wants, but he is gonna have to let me get it back together, i got that shit all torn apart. and then ill race him heads up from roll or dig

Times awasting get it put back together I'll see you soon

let's try to do it this weekend when I run mRcin

[btstone]

Times awasting get it put back together I'll see you soon

let's try to do it this weekend when I run mRcin

im not putting it together til this weekend, btween work, school and gym i dont have time during the week

[chunky]

I don't know where you guys keep coming up with this stuff. What does not wanting to handicap your car have to do with DIGNITY? If I wanted my car to be a 14 second car, I'd have a 14 second car. I like my car exactly how it is, why on EARTH would I want my car to be slower???

This is the thing, you guys keep ASSUMING that you're being ridiculed or insulted or whatever, you're not. Nobody has "openly" stated it, because nobody ACTUALLY thinks less of you for having a slower car. Please remove the tin foil hats! It has nothing to do with the car you drive. I have raced Civics, Integras, Evos, S2000's, a 280Z, and other cars that were a lot less expensive than me with much smaller motors....and some of them beat me! But none of the cars required me to do something to make my car slower.

I have my own set of stipulations when I run someone...but it's not because I'm a snob or disrespect someone for what they drive, but I do this for FUN so I choose to race within parameters that make the race enjoyable. My car performs best between the speeds of 60 and 160mph, so I don't want to do a 20mph roll, regardless of what kinda car it is. I've also come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time to race someone with a very low gear ratio, because the two of us will never be able to line up with both of us in our sweet spot. Again, has nothing to do with snobbery.....it just takes a certain setup to be a good fun run for me. I don't like having to run well outside of my performance envelope, and I don't try to make someone run within mine if it will be well outside theirs.

A "ricer" is a mentality, has nothing to do with what kinda car you drive. Whether I do or don't respect a HUMAN BEING has to do with the way they act and treat people, and has NOTHING to do with the car they drive. I don't even understand the mentality of changing my view of a person because of the car they drive. Now, being a little judgemental on the cosmetics they choose to put on their car might be a different story ha ha

The only reason I mention personal dignity is b/c of how indignant you guys get when someone asks for a handicapped race, despite the fact that it's a COMMON and ACCEPTED thing in sports, bracket racing, PAX indexing for autocross, etc. Even when there's MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at stake, boxers & mma fighters will drop weight to fight a guy a class down. Mike's request was definitely not outlandish and is certainly not indicative of a ricer mentality since handicaps are nothing new to the world of sports and competition.

Regarding racing outside of your performance envelope, that's cool. Totally fine. However, don't call someone a ricer b/c they don't mind running outside their performance envelope. Some people want to know if they've got enough power to pull on another car from a gear down or whether they can get another car from a dig on street tires. If you aren't down with that, that's totally FINE, just don't act like it makes the other person a ricer b/c it doesn't.

With your last statement, you highlighted the essence of a ricer - putting ridiculous amounts of money into looking fast instead of actually being fast. Does mike have a bodykit on his car? NO. Does he have a spoiler? NO. Does he have a $5000 paint job on a $2000 car? NO. How does he fit the ricer mentality at all?

He's got way more under the hood than on the paint/body of his car, and yet you people insist on calling him a ricer? Where's the sense in that, unless you are just looking to start drama by being rude without any reason for being so. You guys are just adding to the definition of a ricer at your own convenience in order to goad people. Then you stand back and act like the person had no reason for getting riled up.

I don't judge anyone based on what car they drive. If someone with a slower car wants to run me from 40mph but asks that I start in 3rd, I'm not going to call them a ricer. I'll either say, OK let's do it, or politely decline. I could decline like a douchebag, calling them ricer, this, that, or the other, but that's not how I am. Maybe I'm just too laid back about these things.

So this is the closest you have come to your claims, and I admit it is a good find and a post I was unaware of.

However, he still A) never actually claimed a 9 second pass and B) it sounds like he's INSINUATING a 10 second pass, not a 9.

I still don't see where he claims 900whp or calls his car God's chariot.

There's so much talk about respect and lack thereof in this thread, and for some reason people think it's all about the car they drive. I don't give a shit that you drive a CRX. I don't care if you're faster or slower than me. But one of the biggest reasons I don't like you, is because you flat out exagerrate most of the accusations you make against people. That completely kills your credibility, and does nothing more than create drama. I don't think you can be objective about anything, as it looks like you just spout off whatever sounds best to you.

I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Btstone, and they may very well be good reasons. He's my friend, and if you don't like him that's your choice.....I'm not going to hate you because of it. But if you're going to smear accusations across this forum, AT LEAST make them factual or don't make them at all.

If you guys are going to start with calling Mike a ricer, don't be surprised when similar exaggerations are pointed in your direction. By the FACTS, Mike is no more of a ricer than Bstone's s2000 is god's chariot.

In this particular case, Mike is just responding to the drama that other people created with their own stretched-truth statements about him (ricer, etc). Mike & Aaron worked out the terms to a run, so that's that. I don't see the point in everyone else jumping on Mike's ass. The run has been setup according to terms agreeable to both parties. No need to keep spinning drama at this point.

[Lankhoss]

The only reason I mention personal dignity is b/c of how indignant you guys get when someone asks for a handicapped race, despite the fact that it's a COMMON and ACCEPTED thing in sports, bracket racing, PAX indexing for autocross, etc. Even when there's MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at stake, boxers & mma fighters will drop weight to fight a guy a class down. Mike's request was definitely not outlandish and is certainly not indicative of a ricer mentality since handicaps are nothing new to the world of sports and competition.

Regarding racing outside of your performance envelope, that's cool. Totally fine. However, don't call someone a ricer b/c they don't mind running outside their performance envelope. Some people want to know if they've got enough power to pull on another car from a gear down or whether they can get another car from a dig on street tires. If you aren't down with that, that's totally FINE, just don't act like it makes the other person a ricer b/c it doesn't.

With your last statement, you highlighted the essence of a ricer - putting ridiculous amounts of money into looking fast instead of actually being fast. Does mike have a bodykit on his car? NO. Does he have a spoiler? NO. Does he have a $5000 paint job on a $2000 car? NO. How does he fit the ricer mentality at all?

He's got way more under the hood than on the paint/body of his car, and yet you people insist on calling him a ricer? Where's the sense in that, unless you are just looking to start drama by being rude without any reason for being so. You guys are just adding to the definition of a ricer at your own convenience in order to goad people. Then you stand back and act like the person had no reason for getting riled up.

I don't judge anyone based on what car they drive. If someone with a slower car wants to run me from 40mph but asks that I start in 3rd, I'm not going to call them a ricer. I'll either say, OK let's do it, or politely decline. I could decline like a douchebag, calling them ricer, this, that, or the other, but that's not how I am. Maybe I'm just too laid back about these things.



If you guys are going to start with calling Mike a ricer, don't be surprised when similar exaggerations are pointed in your direction. By the FACTS, Mike is no more of a ricer than Bstone's s2000 is god's chariot.

In this particular case, Mike is just responding to the drama that other people created with their own stretched-truth statements about him (ricer, etc). Mike & Aaron worked out the terms to a run, so that's that. I don't see the point in everyone else jumping on Mike's ass. The run has been setup according to terms agreeable to both parties. No need to keep spinning drama at this point.

You know, trying to have a conversation with you is damn near impossible. You don't even pay attention, you just keep repeating yourself.

So the only way someone is a ricer is if they put some stupid shit all over their car or do a burnout in a parking lot? You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition????? Do you think those professional athletes WANT to change weights?? You think they'd do it if money, fame, respect, whatever weren't involved? And dropping or gaining a lot of weight definitely takes its toll on the body, it's usually NOT good for a fighter to do....especially losing weight.

You keep making your argument "us vs. them," instead of objectively trying to look at the conversation. And it's ok for Mike to exagerrate just because someone else did it first? Really....REALLY??? That's your argument???? "But MOM, he started it!!!" You have GOT to be kidding me!!

It's situations like these that determine whether someone earns respect or not. The fact that Mike, or whoever, CHOOSES to drop to someone else's level is exactly why I don't and probably never will respect the fucker.

Quit trying to JUSTIFY all this stupid shit, because it makes BOTH of you only look worse!

[chunky]

You know, trying to have a conversation with you is damn near impossible. You don't even pay attention, you just keep repeating yourself.

So the only way someone is a ricer is if they put some stupid shit all over their car or do a burnout in a parking lot? You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition????? Do you think those professional athletes WANT to change weights?? You think they'd do it if money, fame, respect, whatever weren't involved? And dropping or gaining a lot of weight definitely takes its toll on the body, it's usually NOT good for a fighter to do....especially losing weight.

You keep making your argument "us vs. them," instead of objectively trying to look at the conversation. And it's ok for Mike to exagerrate just because someone else did it first? Really....REALLY??? That's your argument???? "But MOM, he started it!!!" You have GOT to be kidding me!!

It's situations like these that determine whether someone earns respect or not. The fact that Mike, or whoever, CHOOSES to drop to someone else's level is exactly why I don't and probably never will respect the fucker.

Quit trying to JUSTIFY all this stupid shit, because it makes BOTH of you only look worse!

The only reason I repeat myself is b/c I'm trying to communicate my thoughts in a way you might understand. Everytime I say something, you get something else out of it than what is intended.

The classic definition of a ricer is someone that spends way more money on looking fast than being fast. Period. I'm not the one trying to stretch the definition. Doing burnouts in a heavily occupied parking lot doesn't make someone a ricer, it makes them a dumbass. They may be a ricer on top of that, but they might just be a dumbass in a really clean 10s car.

All I'm saying is that the simple act of asking for a handicap does not make someone a ricer. The reason why I mention bracket racing, PAX in autocross, and professional fighters is to show precedent. The fighters may not enjoy dropping weight, but the simple act of challenging a heavier fighter to drop weight is not frowned upon in any way. It doesn't make the lighter weight fighter a punk or anything of the sort. It's up to the fighters to determine if it's worth it to meet the terms of the challenge or not.

I'm not making any sort of an us vs. them situation. I'm expressing my thoughts. I met you the same night you ran Bucky in his hatch and I had no problems with anyone. In general, I don't do drama. Mike handled the situation very differently than I would have, but I can see where he's coming from. I'm not saying that because other people started ragging on him that it's ok for him to behave likewise. What I am saying is, "what the hell did you expect?" You can't take shots at someone and then call them out for not being the bigger man and ignoring it. If you take shots, expect a response. When the response comes, don't get mad b/c you basically asked for it.

And honestly, you yourself can't call Mike out for sinking to the lowest common denominator because:

1) You yourself partook in the name calling by calling him a ricer
2) You started to jump on mike when he never called you out

Take that for what you will, but I'm not adding to or stretching the truth, just pointing out what's already happened. Mike is my buddy. When people jump on him, I don't typically jump in with a bunch of name calling. I state my opinions and hope that they help people come to some kind of an understanding while trying to be civil & respectful.

Maybe you don't typically call people you hardly know ricer, but you did in this case. Thus, I can't see that you're on any kind of moral high ground vs. Mike. That's not justification, that's just pointing out what's obvious.

[Evil Goat]

i have video of my car running 11.0, you dont.

I can prove it, you cant.

/argument

11.5 was a stretch...now it's 11.0?

Btstone has never called his car God's chariot, has not claimed it has 900hp, nor has he claimed it's run 9's.

not sure about the hp figures...but i've seen him claim 9's both on here and IS when it was up

^lol

I never seen so many high HP cars turn down some HONDA for a race that has MONEY involved

i'd gladly take his $100 were it offered to me


sooo...uhhhh....password protected or no? lol

[Black4DrEK]

^ I like the way u think!!

[Lurker]

You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition?????

2 questions.

Where are the rules to laid back street racing?

Is that different then serious bidness street racing?


I've noticed when you respond to people, you talk as if what you say is written in stone and if somebody doesn't agree they are stupid. Kinda odd for someone expressing a personal opinion.

[Lankhoss]

Alright, so maybe I jumped the gun on the ricer accusation. While what has happened during this conversation doesn't fall under the actual definition of being a ricer.....a person who will make ricey additions to their car will typically follow a certain type of mentality. So in this situation, the TYPE of retardation that is happening is what I file under the ricer mentality. My friends I hang out with, and I am not talking about the guys here on IA, feel the same way. We just always classify idiots that try to downplay their car and/or make it a big point to act like they've accomplished so much in modifying their car in a way that it's faster than a car with a bigger motor, regardless of the modifications done on both sides, as ricers. I mean, back when my car was stock and it was beating stock Vipers, I never acted like "AW HAIL!! Dodge needs a dayum V10, and my little 'ol motor with 2 less cylinders whoops it ass!!!"

I don't AGREE with Vteckidd's callout, but that's not actually what pissed me off. It was the multitude of posts where he was downplaying his car, and playing dumb like he didn't know the MASSIVE defecit he was asking for. If you know ANYTHING about racing, at all, then you know that traction is more important than horsepower. So with Vteckidd....one of two things is going on here. He's either purposely trying to play dumb in an attempt to get Smacked to come on shitty tires that won't hook so he can beat him, OR he's really just absolutely fucking retarded. Either of those scenarios would make me not like him.

[Lankhoss]

2 questions.

Where are the rules to laid back street racing?

Is that different then serious bidness street racing?


I've noticed when you respond to people, you talk as if what you say is written in stone and if somebody doesn't agree they are stupid. Kinda odd for someone expressing a personal opinion.

There are no "rules" for it. However, you should be smart enough to know your own involvement. Unless you are doing this for competition for one reason or another (street rep, money, organized competition, etc), then a lot of things don't matter. Winning or losing isn't as important, as having FUN is the most important thing. So it's up to each individual what rules they play by for it to be fun. With that being said, the general rule (if that's what you wanna call it) for street racing is "run what you brung." So in general, people don't ask for handicaps when it's just for fun. If you think you are a good race for somebody, then race them....don't make them re-configure their car so they can be as slow as you are.

It's very much like golf. If you've ever played, you know some people are VERY serious about the game. They pull up grass for every single shot, wait for the wind to be in the right direction, use fancy range finding equipment, get all frustrated when they screw up a shot, etc. When people play for fun, they take mulligans, use tap ins, don't count certain strokes, etc. So when guys are just out to drink some beer and have a good time, having some uptight Tiger Woods wannabe in the group is a big downer. It's very similar in street racing. These "hardcore" guys or ricers just ruin the whole mood for people who are trying to be social and enjoy themselves.

So there isn't a list of black and white rules carved in stone anywhere, but it's VERY easy to identify if someone has the same take on racing as you do. I personally have the most fun when I don't know the outcome of a race (win or lose) before it happens, so in that sense I'm rather picky about who I run as I want us BOTH to be around the same level of performance. I'm more picky than I used to be, as I've raced TONS of people and have a very good idea of my car's capabilities, as well as other cars with certain modifications.

What I have found, more often than not, is the people who are either more serious about racing and ricers won't respect someone's wishes for not racing. So when I hear the same 'ol shit about "oh, you're afraid of this little Honda???" or some other stupid shit like blaming the fact that a person is a friend of Thacker as the reason they don't race, it does piss me off. Maybe I'm just jaded, because this hobby usually has me around people much younger, dumber, and more immature than me and it frustrates the hell out of me.

[Evil Goat]

^ I like the way u think!!

all im saying is the 6 puck iron man disk will be ordered this week and broken in soon there after

[SmackedInATL]

Hope you guys enjoyed this one!

Verdict-Use the private area if its private.

[Lankhoss]

Hope you guys enjoyed this one!

Verdict-Use the private area if its private.

Sounds good.

[jcs]

all i have to say is wow.....i hear a lot of and nobody runnin....

[oleblue]

This thread has grown really fast. Seems like I looked at it one day and had like 12 then the next over 200.

[Vteckidd]

I don't have the private area pw

[jcs]

probably cause smacked doesnt want you to have it....just sayin no offense

[tdurr]

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...5#post38283605

[oleblue]

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...5#post38283605

lol...You trying to be sure everyone see's this one.

[tdurr]

This thread has grown really fast. Seems like I looked at it one day and had like 12 then the next OVER 9000!!!!!

fixed.

[chunky]

Alright, so maybe I jumped the gun on the ricer accusation. While what has happened during this conversation doesn't fall under the actual definition of being a ricer.....a person who will make ricey additions to their car will typically follow a certain type of mentality. So in this situation, the TYPE of retardation that is happening is what I file under the ricer mentality. My friends I hang out with, and I am not talking about the guys here on IA, feel the same way. We just always classify idiots that try to downplay their car and/or make it a big point to act like they've accomplished so much in modifying their car in a way that it's faster than a car with a bigger motor, regardless of the modifications done on both sides, as ricers. I mean, back when my car was stock and it was beating stock Vipers, I never acted like "AW HAIL!! Dodge needs a dayum V10, and my little 'ol motor with 2 less cylinders whoops it ass!!!"

I don't AGREE with Vteckidd's callout, but that's not actually what pissed me off. It was the multitude of posts where he was downplaying his car, and playing dumb like he didn't know the MASSIVE defecit he was asking for. If you know ANYTHING about racing, at all, then you know that traction is more important than horsepower. So with Vteckidd....one of two things is going on here. He's either purposely trying to play dumb in an attempt to get Smacked to come on shitty tires that won't hook so he can beat him, OR he's really just absolutely fucking retarded. Either of those scenarios would make me not like him.

Well, we agree more than we disagree. We have some difference of opinion on whether handicaps are really acceptable to request or not. I think there's no harm in asking for them, as long as it could still make for a fair race. Mike was probably being a little antagonistic in tone because he had already been called a ricer at that point. However, I don't think he was aware of how big a hit on performance running on street tires would be for smacked.

Mike figured his car ran at best 14s at commerce on drag radials, the SAME NIGHT that a new 100% stock mustang GT was running 14s on street tires. Since smacked has a good bit more HP than a stock mustang GT, you'd figure a good race with the advantage to Smacked. Certainly, smacked's car shouldn't be slower than a mustang GT on factory tires; it should be a good bit quicker. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. That's where I think Mike was coming from. I really don't think he considered it to be a massive deficit based on what he saw other v8 domestics running that night on street tires. I've known Mike for awhile now, and he's not the type to bait someone into a run that the person has no shot at winning. Mike honestly thought smacked still had a more than fair shot at winning even on street tires. If you guys really thought he was proposing an un-winnable race, there were probably better ways to communicate back and forth on the issue than what actually transpired; that goes for you guys AND Mike. However, it's in the past now; Aaron and Mike agreed to terms and they'll run sometime during the week.

I really hope there's no hard feelings on either side of the table here. Let them do the runs, see how things pan out, and put this one in the books, or youtube if they're both willing to be video taped.

[Lankhoss]

I have nothing to gain from not liking someone, so maybe he and I would get along in person. If nothing else, I could probably at least understand his "tone" a little better here, if I actually talked to the guy.

[Vteckidd]

I'm supposed to be running marcin aka lt1 sat night if smacked wants to cme out

[Lurker]

+1 chunky, well put sir.

[LT1UltraZ]

I'm supposed to be running marcin aka lt1 sat night if smacked wants to cme out

what am i exactly racing

all i know it's a honda on DRs

[btstone]

what am i exactly racing

all i know it's a honda on DRs

reps for racing a car and doesnt give a fuck what it is
thats is the shit

[Lurker]

what am i exactly racing

all i know it's a honda on DRs

It's a rwd conversion CRX with a turbo kit making 420whp that weighs 2,000 lbs. Should be a good race against your awd.

[Black4DrEK]

^^ dude stfu its a crx with a F20 with 4 superchargers!! Get it right!

[Vteckidd]

what am i exactly racing

all i know it's a honda on DRs

Na 200whp 2000lb crx. It ran 14.1 it might be a mid 13 second car with tires. I'm sure it's totally not worth your time but hence the $100.

It will be nice to meet you as well

[LT1UltraZ]

Na 200whp 2000lb crx. It ran 14.1 it might be a mid 13 second car with tires. I'm sure it's totally not worth your time but hence the $100.

It will be nice to meet you as well

well if it is a mid 13 sec CRX then it is goin to be a hell of a race since the jeep is a mid 13 suv in this GA heat if u dont mess up any shifts it is goin to be CLOSE

[Vteckidd]

Yeah we will see I've never really run one of those so it will be nice to see.

Props to you this has been the least amount ofdrama run haha. Show up run ,shake hands

I'll text you when I'm heading back sat morning ( I'm in gulf shores al for the week)

[tdurr]

Yeah we will see I've never really run one of those so it will be nice to see.

Props to you this has been the least amount ofdrama run haha. Show up run ,shake hands

I'll text you when I'm heading back sat morning ( I'm in gulf shores al for the week)

run for fun? ill be at ksu sat around 8