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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    stick to taking pictures pussy...its clear you are a dumbass
    It's clear I've crewed for professional road racing teams for the past 6 years. Find me a RACE CAR with cross drilled rotors. Read the fine print, cross drilled rotors ARE NOT for track events or performance driving.

    Would you like to see what happens on the track when a cross drilled rotor fails? Would you like to know why they are not legal in every race series known to man?

    Watch the rearview mirror on the 2nd lap coming out of turn 7 @ 2 min 50 seconds:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04062563904638
    That's what happens when a cross drilled rotor cracks and comes apart sending the car into the outside wall putting the Porsche's driver in a coma.

    Send an e-mail to the PRESIDENT of Brembo and see what his take on cross drilled rotors are. It's purely cosmetic and puts money in his pocket from fools like you.

    Less mass equals more heat, period. Do you think drilling holes in the heat sink of a computer is going to make it more efficient? lol! They were originally designed for the release of gases when pads were made out of asbestos decades ago so the caliper could operate properly. In case you haven't noticed, pads don't have asbestos in them anymore.

    Not only did you put cross drilled rotors on but they are solid steel too. Weight savings = Zero. Bling = Zero. Let's see that Corvette rocking a 2-piece rotor with an aluminum hat and a real caliper. There's a reason why you can buy OEM Z06 brakes sets for $400 complete on eBay all day long. Who's the dumbass now?

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    LOL at drilled calipers.

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    oh yeah, here's a good read for people that aren't a dumbass like me.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.xtremeimportperformance.com/tech-page/cross-drilled-rotors-myth
    No, cross-drilling doesn't help. this might be a long post if i try to answer all the possible questions, we'll see.


    First and foremost, the purpose of the brake rotor is as a surface for the friction compound (brake pad to act upon) and as a heatsink. The brakes slow down/stop the car simply by converting kinetic energy into heat energy by means of friction. The reason rotors are big heavy things is because they need to be able to absorb the energy in the form of heat. The main reason for Big Brake Kits is not really to increase braking torque (how much force the brakes can retard wheel rotation with) but simply to install bigger rotors that can handle more heat. If you wanted to increase braking torque ONLY, you could do that simply by using higher friction coefficient (known as Mu) brake pads. On street tires, all that would do is make it easier to lock up your wheels when braking.

    How well a brake system (not looking at the brake pads yet) handles heat is affected by how much heat the rotors can absorb and also how quickly they dissipate the heat they do absorb. The more mass, the more heat they can absorb, the better the airflow over and through the rotor, the more effectively the rotor can transfer that heat to the ambient air flowing over it.

    Vented rotors make use of this by increasing the surface area and airflow and directionally vented rotors are even more effective. A vented or directionally vented rotor acts in a similar fashion to an impeller blade/wheel (like a turbo compressor or hairdryer). The spinning action forces air outwards from the center and it induces airflow through the rotor with cold air being sucked in at the center and the hot air being flung out the edges. Vented rotors dissipate heat much better than non-vented rotors and directionally vented rotors improve the effectiveness.

    Crossdrilling on the other hand does NOT show appreciable cooling differences when in use. They will help cool the rotor qucker when the car is stopped and sitting but they actually REDUCE the heat capacity of the braking system when the car is being driven hard making the brakes actually run a little hotter. So you're thinking, "Wait a minute,... say what? If increasing surface area means better heat dissipation, then more holes means more surface area, so it should help at least a bit right?" Wrong.

    The crossdrilled holes do not act the same as the vented passages in the rotor. The venting is radial to the rotation and draws air through the vanes. the cross drilled holes are axial to rotation. The difference in airflow when you're blowing through a straw (the vented vanes) as opposed to blowing across the hole of the straw is huge. Now you're thinking, yeah, but they use devices like paint guns that work by drawing paint out of the bottle by blowing compressed air over the thin tube. Well, you're talking about Bernoulli's principle here.

    Fast moving air has lower pressure than slow moving or stagnant air. The fast moving air over the tube is at lower pressure than the air in the spray gun bottle so the higher pressure pushes paint out and Voila, you're apinting your car/house/whatever. The principle doesn't work when the air is moving fast over both ends of the tube (in this case, the hole drilled through the rotor. There is no significant airflow through those holes when the rotor is spinning and any airflow is FAR less tha the airflow through the vanes in a vented rotor. Ah... now you see,... but wait, wasn't there a mention of higher temps due to cross-drilling? Even if the airflow is minimal in the drilled holes, why would it cause higher temps? Because it reduces the mass of the rotor, thus reducing it's capacity for absorbing heat.

    What happens when you use your brakes hard? Well the brakes get hot obviously. But what would a brake rotor temperature chart look like? Well, upon first application of the brakes, the temp rise is very rapid and increase as long as the brakes are applied and the wheels are still turning (friction still producing more heat). then when you let off the brakes, the temps level out and start to drop. They drop faster if the car is stil moving since there's more air flowing over the rotors, but they don't completely cool off that rapidly. if you're driving hard and braking a lot, the rotors never cool off, but each subsequent braking event adds more heat to the rotor potentially before it can dissipate it. This is where rotor size and thermal capacity comes in.

    if you plan on driving hard and doing a lot of hard braking, you need to make sure you have enough rotor mass to absorb all that heat because if you don't, you could exceed the thermal capacity of the rotors to act as heatsinks. When that happens, your rotors simply can't dissipate the heat as fast as you're putting them into the rotors and since any guven material of a set mass has a specific thermal capacity, once you reach this point, the rotor cannot efficiently absorb the heat anymore and the brake rotor and pad temperatures will rise very rapidly with each application of the brakes. The temps shoot up fast and high enough to easily exceed the MOT (maximum operating temp) of the brake pads and you get pad fade. You can also get things so hot that it boils the brake fluid in the calipers and this is also where it's possible to actually warp rotors. You can identify a rotor that has really been warped. It changes color. You'll see a bluish boundary somwhere between the rotor and hat as the heat at that point changes the molecular structure of the metal. The heat stress is visible.

    Cross-drilling = less mass, = less capacity to absorb heat before this point is reached. when you're running close to the edge of the thermal capacity, the brake system will be consistently a little hotter because it's easier to push the system with less mass and thermal capacity over the edge.

    There's also the problem that cross-drilling causes stress risers on the rotors. coupled with the thermal expansion that occurs during braking and repeated hard use, the holes make it much easier to develop deep stress cracks in the rotors. There's a reason NO race team that uses iron rotors has cross-drilled rotors. They use either plain or slotted rotors. The cross-drilling simply reduces the thermal capacity AND weakens the rotor courting the possibility of failure from stress cracks actually leading to a fragged rotor.

    Now, there will inevitably arise the question of, "Well Brembo is one of the biggest brake companies around and they drill their rotors. if anyone would know about the effectiveness, they should. on top of that, all the Supercar companies like Porsche, Ferrari etc, have crossdrilled rotors. They build their names on performance. They would know what's effective and what's not". yes, they would. They know what affects their sales.

    The reason big companies still produce crossdrilled rotors and have them on their cars is because most people are clueless sheep. Most folks don't know why rotors were originally cross drilled. They don't know why race teams won't use them. All they know is that from way back in the day, a true sportscar always had crossdrilled rotors (back in the day when brake pads sucked).

    You want to know why 'sportscar' companies still put drilled rotors on their cars? An insider who was actually involved in the actual testing of the brake rotors fessed up about it. They conducted tests with plain and drilled rotors and concluded and confirmed that the plain rotors had no downsides and in fact were better in hard braking than the crossdrilled rotors AND would save the company a little money not having the crossdrilled option. And when they put them on cars, customers commented that, "For a performance car, they should have at least gone through the trouble/expense of putting on high performance crossdrilled brakes". They realized that this is the general public perception, so even though they had concluded that the plain rotors wree better, they put crossdrilled rotors back on the cars. If that's what the public thinks and wants, that's what a good business provides.

    Don't consider if something is good because a well-known company uses it. The true test is in racing. They are the ones looking for the edge and weeding out the crap.


    Max
    To add to this, performance rotors are slotted to help clean the surface of the pad. If you've ever driven a car HARD then you know what happens when brake dust glazes on a pad. The slots keep the pad surface clean to prevent said glazing.

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    Hrmm, wonder what Tire Racks reasoning behind saying this is? Maybe 4 different cars in one weekend at VIR with fragged rotors had something to do with it?

    http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brake...+Drilled+Rotor

    "NOTE: Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are not recommended by The Tire Rack for track use or intended to be used in conjunction with race compound brake pads on the street. For severe duty brake demands see Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors."

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    its funny you posted all that for a car i dont race. i drive this car to work dumbass...and I said that on the first or second page...READING>you
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    Quote Originally Posted by NevrNufTorq
    once again, more proof. hey speed, how long you been running road courses and ran 'real pit crew' for other 'very accomplished racers'????

    oh wait, let me guess this response, something again about road racing isnt real racing or some garbage jusy b/c that's not what 'boystone' is into.

    why you goin to bed? need some rest to keep showing how 'truly insulting' everyone on here that does race or have/had/has racing experience wins your case that we're all wrong????
    yes, i had to sleep. and yes, i will continue to insult stupidity. as long a your ignorant ass talks, i will be there to let you know how stupid you sound

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    Brandon you really are going to far with this one. Dave is a good guy and very fun to be around at the track. He has already done the shit we are doing and keeps it legal now. You need to drop it and let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
    Brandon you really are going to far with this one. Dave is a good guy and very fun to be around at the track. He has already done the shit we are doing and keeps it legal now. You need to drop it and let it go.
    who started it..DAVE..

    im just finishing his bitch ass

    And for such a "well respected" person to act like this is beyond me....all he has done is assume things about someone he doesnt know nor has ever met, and has been wrong about everything he has said
    Last edited by btstone; 06-08-2009 at 09:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    nope...he doesnt make enough power to run straight with me

    im accepting request for first race when i get it back in a couple days...im selling car lengths and im also selling the move
    well how bout since i beat the vette you let me run the s2k and you give me lets say 10 cars and the move lol, but ill settle for 8 haha


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    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?
    yes. i though it looked odd, but they were marked with little stickers on them for the right and left sides

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    I HOPE THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT I PUT MY ROTORS ON THE WRONG SIDE...MINE ARE TURNED THE OTHER WAY...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    I HOPE THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT I PUT MY ROTORS ON THE WRONG SIDE...MINE ARE TURNED THE OTHER WAY...
    i looked at them for like 5 minutes....at first i thought the stickers were on the wrong side but. on the pics on the box it looked like that. they are BAER rotors

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    I GUESS WHEN I HAVE MY REAR TIRES OFF AGAIN ILL CHK TO SEE IF ITS RIGHT OR NOT...



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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    its funny you posted all that for a car i dont race. i drive this car to work dumbass...and I said that on the first or second page...READING>you
    The point is it's a scam, it's marketing ploy.

    "The reason big companies still produce cross drilled rotors and have them on their cars is because most people are clueless sheep. Most folks don't know why rotors were originally cross drilled. They don't know why race teams won't use them. All they know is that from way back in the day, a true sportscar always had crossdrilled rotors (back in the day when brake pads sucked)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    The point is it's a scam, it's marketing ploy.

    "The reason big companies still produce crossdrilled rotors and have them on their cars is because most people are clueless sheep. Most folks don't know why rotors were originally cross drilled. They don't know why race teams won't use them. All they know is that from way back in the day, a true sportscar always had crossdrilled rotors (back in the day when brake pads sucked)."
    I'M A RICER...SO MY REASON FOR USING THEM ROCKS...

    QUIT HATING HATER



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    I GUESS WHEN I HAVE MY REAR TIRES OFF AGAIN ILL CHK TO SEE IF ITS RIGHT OR NOT...
    Dont worry too much. diff manufactures make them different. so if you feel you paid good attention when you put them on, then you should be good

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    I DIDNT, I JUST WENT OFF OF MEMORY WITH WHAT/HOW OTHER GUYS INSTALLED THEIRS ON OTHER MAXIMAS



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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    The point is it's a scam, it's marketing ploy.

    "The reason big companies still produce cross drilled rotors and have them on their cars is because most people are clueless sheep. Most folks don't know why rotors were originally cross drilled. They don't know why race teams won't use them. All they know is that from way back in the day, a true sportscar always had crossdrilled rotors (back in the day when brake pads sucked)."
    you missed the point. i didnt use them for better braking or any of them. i bought them because they look better than stock rotors. i wanted the look. thats why i spent two hours hand painting my calipers to make them look perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    I'M A RICER...SO MY REASON FOR USING THEM ROCKS...

    QUIT HATING HATER
    The direction of the slots doesn't matter, it's the direction of the vanes inside...if they are directional.






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    I HAVE SLOTTED AND DRILLED...



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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    you missed the point. i didnt use them for better braking or any of them. i bought them because they look better than stock rotors. i wanted the look. thats why i spent two hours hand painting my calipers to make them look perfect.
    No, you got challenged to a race and I simply said it's not a race car and the parts are inferior for such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    read the post...i just spent a few hours painting them red
    What took so long?

    They have the brush style and spray style paint. The spray style is better b/c it gets into the little areas better and drivers super quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?
    It's not whats ont he outside, it's the fins on the inside. OEM basic rotors on most cars are vertical. Performance rotors generally have a curve to them to dissipate the heat.

    But I agree with Speedminded. They aren't for performance, just "bling" but bstone isn't saying they are better. He bought them to look a little better.

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    BTW...MINE DONT HAVE FINS...ON THE REARS...THE REAR ROTORS ARE SOLID



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    I HAVE SLOTTED AND DRILLED...
    I'm sorry I don't have a diagram for both slotted and drilled but it still doesn't matter. All that matters is the direction of the vanes inside.

    Check out the Z32 300zx and the direction the wheels go. Both left and right on that car are different but people put the wheels on backwards all the time. They are angled the opposite of rotation and suck air in and push it back out to help cool the brakes.

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    CHECK MY POST #65 SWAGGER...VANES/VEINS...I HAS NONE



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    CHECK MY POST #65 SWAGGER...VANES/VEINS...I HAS NONE
    I had already started replying before then somebody was distracting me on AIM from finishing!

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    ^We understand. We are stating Cross drilled rotors are for LOOKS only.

    You have stupid super uber THIN rear rotors. Not made for performance what so ever. It would have been best if you left OEM's on there or got OEM brembos especially up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    ^We understand. We are stating Cross drilled rotors are for LOOKS only.

    You have stupid super uber THIN rear rotors. Not made for performance what so ever. It would have been best if you left OEM's on there or got OEM brembos especially up front.

    -Ant.
    BELIEVE ME I KNOW THEY ARE FOR LOOKS..I HAD A THREAD ABOUT BRAKES A WHILE BACK WHERE I WAS INFORMED ON THE REASON FOR SLOTTED/DRILLED BRAKES

    FOR ONE...I HAVE YET TO UPGRADE THE FRONTS...AND TWO...I PAID $60SHIPPED TO MY DOOR FOR THOSE...SO I'M NOT CRYING LOL..THEYVE LASTED ALMOST TWO MONTHS SO FAR...SO FOR 'CHEAP' SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS IM HAPPY THEY LASTED THAT LONG. I STILL HAVE MY STOCKS..I MEAN I CAN TURN THEM AND PUT TEHM BACK ON IN THE CASE THEY DO CRACK. HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME THEY CRACK THO ILL HAVE MONEY TO DO WHAT I WANT

    I had already started replying before then somebody was distracting me on AIM from finishing!



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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    What took so long?

    They have the brush style and spray style paint. The spray style is better b/c it gets into the little areas better and drivers super quick.

    -Ant.
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint
    It's called "liquid masking film" or even filling up the letters with paste wax and cleaning around them with a cotton swap dipped in paint thinner. After the paint drys you simply remove the film or wax.


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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint
    Ahh gotcha. if you had a steady hand, you could have sprayed the entire caliper, then got a wiz wheel or some other orbital sander and lightly touched the words to knock off the paint. I'm creative.

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    U HAVE A THREAD ANTONIO



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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    Ahh gotcha. if you had a steady hand, you could have sprayed the entire caliper, then got a wiz wheel or some other orbital sander and lightly touched the words to knock off the paint. I'm creative.

    -Ant.
    i have a real steady hand...thats why i used the brush on..plus it is SUPER thick

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    i have a real steady hand...thats why i used the brush on..plus it is SUPER thick
    That's not all I heard was super thick.

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    Ahh gotcha. if you had a steady hand, you could have sprayed the entire caliper, then got a wiz wheel or some other orbital sander and lightly touched the words to knock off the paint. I'm creative.

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    oh wait, the letters are raised aren't they lolol! Spray the entire thing then let it sit overnight and lightly sand the letters by hand with 1500-2000 grit sand paper to reveal th shiny aluminum underneath.

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    I was hoping to see a BBK but unfortunately you actually just made your brakes much worse. The holes reduce rotor surface area greatly, and the slots just cheese grade pads, not to mention if you ever do generate any heat in those rotors it'll most likely hair line crack on all of the holes until the rotors just crack in half.. Sure they look descent, but for anyone who knows what they are looking at, it's just rice. This is like putting an M3 badge on an 318 to me. If the braking system wasn't engineered like that, buying some ebay rotors with some holes won't make it stop like the real deal
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