gli and 2 big of a turbo charger.

[looking4car]

I got a 2004 jetta gli. Im looking to put a bigger turbo charger on it but also want the car to last a long time.

is there a limit to the size of the turbo charger before it starts to kill the engine life?

thanks a lot

[4dmin]

umm go K04 + tt injectors + tt maf + n75 + GIAC software you should be around 250whp/300lbs easy :goodjob:

you can make more from what i was reading... plus thats the easiest upgrade... all of the parts are OEM so no need to really modify... essentially you will be running a TT 225 setup.

http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=95591

when your ready to do something you let me know i'll get you in touch w/ the guys from EPG :yes:

[gtikid]

Throw a GT42r on, with stock internals :lmao:

[rollininstyle2004]

Just get like a GT2871R...that should be enough power...

It all depends on how much you are willing to spend. I would just do what Paul suggested with the TT setup. Ill be doing something similar in my Passat this summer. K04, 380cc injectors, TTMAF, GIAC Software :)

[gtikid]

But on a serious note, do what Paul said. For you, it would probably be the best/safest setup to run...

[looking4car]

thanks you guys are really helpful

[gtikid]

We're still waiting for pics...

[4dmin]

ya if you want best bang for your buck thats the way to go anyway... no need for custom tuning, manifold, etc... you can honestly put that shit on your car and never worry about a thing. those motors are great; 325-350whp is the most you should put on the stock internals daily... but i have seen dyno's of 450whp on stock internals.

but basically turbo 700$ + 500$ software and whatever you can get the TT parts for... look for used parts and you'll be straight.

[gtikid]

Or....since you seem to be in the mood of swapping out everything on the car and getting new parts....you could also do VR6T ;) :goodjob:

[4dmin]

Or....since you seem to be in the mood of swapping out everything on the car and getting new parts....you could also do VR6T ;) :goodjob:

dude if i could afford the downtime + the swap i would be considering that in the bug :lmfao:

[gtikid]

dude if i could afford the downtime + the swap i would be considering that in the bug :lmfao:

:lmfao:

Man that would be sweeeeeet as hell!! No one would expect that coming from a bug hahaha

BTW Paul, did you sell the MK2 to someone local?

[4dmin]

:lmfao:

Man that would be sweeeeeet as hell!! No one would expect that coming from a bug hahaha

BTW Paul, did you sell the MK2 to someone local?

no a guy drove down from VA in the bug and we traded straight up. :goodjob: he then drove the Mk2 to PA for the holidays :lmfao:

[Kyle]

I would go K04.

Just to note this is thread number 20 by looking4car. I still think he should change his name to askingquestions.

[4dmin]

I would go K04.

Just to note this is thread number 20 by looking4car. I still think he should change his name to askingquestions.

+25 :lmfao:

[looking4car]

my pops wont let me do an engine swap

it sucks

[FNR32]

The k04 would more than likely place a permagrin on your face.

[DeutscheBAG!]

my pops wont let me do an engine swap

it sucks
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING TREE!!! YOU DON'T NEED AN ENGINE SWAP!

you have one the best motors ever created sitting in that engine bay of yours. the 1.8t is the most affordable/tunable bang for your buck/ball'n on a budget motor out there.

i hope you don't pull this lunacy on whoretex because they'll be far more assed to you than this happy little kraut loving klan.


ahh.yes..to answer your question
DON"T KO4 !! you'll be happy at first then you just want more power.

don't get me wrong, i f'n love my KO4.its great for daily driving. it pulls like a raped ape..i gets better gas mileage, sounds awesome, str8 torque monster!!

wait...why don't i want you to go ko4?

ahh yes, because you'll want to go faster

[DeutscheBAG!]

better yet, before i get off my soap box..
read this
LIVE IT LOVE IT LEARN IT...Read this, take 2pills and call me in the morning :cheers:


1. CHIP: ($500 NEW)
This is by far the most important modification one can/should do to a 1.8T, right out of the get-go. You will find that some people have just done a diode mod, manual boost controller (MBC), and a higher bar fuel pressure regulator (FPR) to achieve chip-like boost levels. Personally, I’ve never gone this route and think that to get where I’ve gotten, a chipped program is an absolute must. If you want to get the most out of your stock turbo, you need some good programming. Custom is great, but you shouldn’t do it unless you have every other mod done, as your tuner will be able to make use of all your other parts and get more power. Therefore, you have to choose between the BIG 3: APR, GIAC, and REVO. I’ve never been a fan of APR’s programming. It makes decent power, but it just isn’t aggressive enough. REVO seems to be quicker than APR, and they have the Stage II that uses an SPS Controller so you can adjust boost and timing yourself. When I had my GTI, I ran an old GIAC file. The only person who was quicker than me was a friend with another GTI that still to this day runs GIAC X+, which is their latest file. Now, my g/f’s GLI is also running X+. I’ve yet to see an X+’d car lose to REVO or APR with similar mods. So my suggestion to you is to find the nearest GIAC dealer. You’ll get the most aggressive file for your car.

As for the extra options provided, that’s soley up to you. If you have access to a lap top that HAS A 9 PIN SERIAL PORT, don’t bother with the Race file, as you can make timing adjustments using a free program called Lemmiwinks. If you’re not one to mess with things, then get the Race file. This allows you to get the most out of putting in 100 octane gas. The valet mode will cut power to keep others from beating on your car. If you ever plan on using an MBC, you can do that yourself. Get what you think is worth it to you.


2. EXHAUST: ($500-1000 NEW)
A quality turboback exhaust system is another great mod to do right away. The stock system is extremely restrictive, especially the downpipe. If you’re modding one part at a time, do a bigger downpipe FIRST, as you’ll see the bigger gain from this. There are arguments up and down about which is better: 2.5” or 3”. Some think 3” is overkill, and they’re wrong. I had a 3” on my GTI, my friend has a 3” on his GTI, my g/f’s GLI has a 3”…never a problem. The 3” systems are a little bit louder, but sound has a lot to do with whether or not your exhaust comes with a catalytic converter, resonator, and/or muffler. There are some cheap systems and some expensive. GHL is QUALITY, and they have a lifetime warranty. You can buy a downpipe from someone and fab the rest yourself too.

Two things that you’ll probably experience after installing your exhaust is a Check Engine Light (CEL) for an O2 sensor, saying catalyst below threshold. That O2 sensor is just seeing more flow than it’s supposed to. You can let it go and your car will run just like it always has…well better since you now have a freer flowing system. A way to remedy this is adding a spacer to back the sensor out of the exhaust stream. Here is a thread that shows exactly what you’ll need to do. The other problem some see is if the car is lowered and you get a 3” system, you may hear it rattle over your rear axle. This is just common sense because a bigger diameter pipe in a smaller gap will start hitting stuff. To remedy this, grab 2 zip ties, and get under the car from the rear. Look at the muffler hanger between the muffler and rear axle. Wrap the zip ties vertically around the rubber piece and tighten them up to pull the rear part of the exhaust system up higher. By doing this, you’re moving it away from the axle, so it will no longer rattle.


3. INTAKE: ($100-300 NEW)
Definitely one of the most questionable mods you could ever do to your stock turbo’d 1.8T. I’ve actually done testing on this, and found that there are very little differences between setups. The most reliable and cheap thing to do is to buy a K&N flat panel filter, smooth out the insides of your stock airbox, and you’re done. I’ve run open inlet, a cold air, short ram, stock airbox, and nothing feels noticeably different than the other. One thing to remember about cold airs is you can’t COMPLETELY SUBMERGE the filter or you’ll risk hydrolocking your engine. I’ve driven through heavy downpours, all of winter, and never had problems. You just need to be smart about not getting curious when you see a puddle. By upgrading to anything but stock airbox, it will get you the PSSSSH sound from your diverter valve (DV). I’m running an ESE Colormatched cold air on the GLI…and mainly because Jen thinks it looks good. It gives some room in the engine bay also. If you’re willing to spend the money, the absolute BEST OF THE BEST intake to buy is the EVOMS V-Flow. It’s a short ram design that utilizes a venturi and velocity stack to suck in air faster than a hoover vacuum. I ran tests on chipped boost levels, and I’ve seen data on big turbo setups. It’s definitely a worthy intake, and it’ll get you the cool sound too.


4. TURBO INLET: ($200 NEW)
If you’ve ever seen pictures of the stock turbo inlet pipe, it is a squished piece of metal and a restriction on the intake side of your turbo. If you’ve opened up the exhaust side, do the same to the intake. You’ll see quicker spool and hold more boost in the upper rpm range. ABD and Neuspeed both sell just the lower half, which is a metal pipe replacement. The problem is you’re still stuck with the accordion-like rubber piece up top. Back in the day when Samco was still around, it was the part to buy. Now, you can either go Forge or APR. They make an entire silicone hose that runs from your Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor down to the turbo. It’s definitely the better option. Some have trouble installing it and sliding it past one of the coolant lines along the block. You can either unbolt the line, or, lube up the hose like a porn star and push from the top and pull from the bottom. It’ll come right on down.


5. DIVERTER VALVE: ($125-200 NEW)
With the higher boost levels you’re seeing, you may consider getting a new bypass valve, which is what’s making that PSSSH sound when you let off the gas. A cheap option is to buy the factory Audi TT valve through a dealer for $35 or so. There are TONS of companies that make aftermarket ones in different shapes, colors, and configurations. Some have a metal piston and others have diaphragms. The diaphragms are lighter, and therefore react quicker, but they also tend to rip. Forge has a special polymer reinforced diaphragm that supposedly will hold up. We’re running a Forge 007 piston type valve with no issues. Some piston type valves may require you to oil them once in a grand while. As for the Blowoff Valve (BOV) vs. DV issue, it’s hit or miss. What’s going on is your MAF meters air coming in, and stock, it knows that air your turbo already compressed is gonna come right back into the intake and down into the turbo again. By using a BOV, that air is gone, but the MAF doesn’t know that. What you may run into is running rich, because you now have the same amount of fuel for less air. Richness may make the car run unsteady or stall when coming to a stop. My g/f’s GLI HATES BOV’s, and a great way to test to see if your car doesn’t mind is to go to Home Depot and find a 3/4” plastic PVC plug. Pull your DV out of your intake hose, and plug the hole. Turn the car on and start driving around. You’ll feel a difference if it’s bad. At idle the rpms will bounce around randomly. The only difference between a BOV and DV really is the sound, and that’s what most people care about. BOV’s are usually always louder, but DV’s aren’t necessarily quiet. Stick with what works for YOUR car, and not what someone tells you over the internet because it works on theirs.

Another option on rigging up your DV is relocating it to a “cold side” position. Stock, it’s connected to the pipe RIGHT AFTER the turbo. Most front mount intercooler kits also run the DV like this too. Relocating the DV means putting it right before the throttle body, after your intercooler. There isn’t going to be a HUGE gain from doing this, but what it does is this: When you let off the throttle, the throttle body slams shut, and all the boosted air in your piping has to get out. At the stock location, all the air has to go backwards to your DV to be let out. If you relocate, you keep the air moving in the same direction, which theoretically, would help with spool up since the turbo isn’t working against itself. To make a return line, either go custom and use some sort of pipe or find hose that is big enough to fit over the DV outlet.


6. SPARK PLUGS: ($15 NEW)
When you start running higher boost levels than stock, your plugs are going to need a change. With higher boost means higher temperatures inside the combustion chambers, and therefore you’ll want a colder plug. The most commonly talked about/used plugs are NGK BKR7E’s. You can get them just about ANYWHERE and they’re cheap. I’ve paid around $12 for 4 of them. Make sure they are gapped at .028 for optimum performance. Gapping them to high will result in the spark just blowing out as boost enters the combustion chamber, and gapping them to low will keep an actual spark from occurring. The electricity will jump right to the electrode so fast and it’ll be so small that it won’t ignite the air/fuel mixture.

Another mod to do around this same time would be to invest in some coil pack hold downs. Sometimes, the remedy for a coilpack coming up off the valve cover is retorqing your spark plugs. But I’ve had times where even with them properly torqued, the coilpacks would still pop up. A user on VWVortex by the name of enginerd custom makes and sells a set of hold down brackets to go over the coilpacks. If you don’t have the style coilpacks that have the holes in them to bolt them to the valve cover, get these, as they are more of a reliability mod and you’ll drive assured they will never come out on ya.


7. UPGRADED INTERCOOLER: ($400-1000 NEW)
The stock side mount intercooler is a big heat soak and is basically like a condom…it’s only good for one hard use. Most people upgrade to a front mount intercooler (FMIC) because it not only keeps your intake temperatures down, it looks appealing as well. BoostFactory and Tyrolsport make quality upgraded sidemount intercoolers (SMIC), but they are more stealth because you can’t see them as easily. The nice thing is they bolt up in the stock location. There are many FMIC kits out there, and you’ll pay around $700 or so for a quality one. Another option is to just buy a core and custom make your piping yourself. If you do, run 2.25” piping from your turbo to the intercooler, and 2.5” piping from the intercooler to the throttle body. Going custom would be a great time to relocate your DV as well. I chose to look on eBay and buy just a bar/plate core and make custom piping. If you do this, look for SSAutochrome, as they have quality cores for cheap. Do some searching for clamps and couplers yourself as you’ll find many places and perhaps cheaper places than I found. Finally by going custom, you’ll need a Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor flange from 42 Draft Designs. Most kits have one welded on, but by going custom, you’ll need to buy one in either aluminum or steel (depending on your piping material).

The main benefit of running an upgraded IC is the temperature drop at the intake manifold. If you use Lemmiwinks, you can raise your ignition timing to gain more performance. When you get toward the end of the stock turbo mod stick, you’ll be glad you have one as this is what will keep you running efficiently.



:2cents:

[Kyle]

Why are you wasting your time on this kid. He will just make another thread asking another question.

It pisses me off people spend time answering his questions and then he asks another one just like it, which requires the same answer you already provided him with on a previous thread.

[Jecht]

If you don't want your 1.8T engine, I'll trade engines with yah. LOL

[4dmin]

If you don't want your 1.8T engine, I'll trade engines with yah. LOL

b/c NA rules thats why i bought a 2.0slo :lmfao: :no: :lmfao:

[Allstar3.8T]

Before you swap the snail, Do you already have the GLI chipped, DP, 2.5" Exhaust, and the other things to maximize the OEM turbo? If not, you should do that stuff first IMO, It'll probably be enough for you. Big turbo cars have big turbo probs, unless you do a K04 like Paul said....but w/ having a K03s OEM, it wont be as big a difference as if you had a plain K03. Most people want power, and quick spool up, Big turbos generally make that hard unless you get into the head.

[4dmin]

Before you swap the snail, Do you already have the GLI chipped, DP, 2.5" Exhaust, and the other things to maximize the OEM turbo? If not, you should do that stuff first IMO, It'll probably be enough for you. Big turbo cars have big turbo probs, unless you do a K04 like Paul said....but w/ having a K03s OEM, it wont be as big a difference as if you had a plain K03. Most people want power, and quick spool up, Big turbos generally make that hard unless you get into the head.

:goodjob:

[benwaballs]

goapr.com

apr stage 3 +, had a old stage 3 setup on my gti for 4 years put over 50,000 miles on here at 265whp only problem i ever had was a dead fuel pump. the new system puts down 320-330 whp. just be ready to pay out your ass for the kit. but you get what you pay for :goodjob:

[gtikid]

goapr.com

apr stage 3 +, had a old stage 3 setup on my gti for 4 years put over 50,000 miles on here at 265whp only problem i ever had was a dead fuel pump. the new system puts down 320-330 whp. just be ready to pay out your ass for the kit. but you get what you pay for :goodjob:

Are you kidding me? :thinking: :no:

Like you said, you pay out the ass for that APR kit and you don't get ANYWHERE near the power you should for that kind of money...

[Congogrey]

Really you do not get waht you pay for? I seem to think that APR has a pretty good reputation and that their parts are very reliable. I was going to suggest there Stage 3+ kit for big power.

Maybe next year I will do their K04 upgrade on my MkV.

[4dmin]

Really you do not get waht you pay for? I seem to think that APR has a pretty good reputation and that their parts are very reliable. I was going to suggest there Stage 3+ kit for big power.

Maybe next year I will do their K04 upgrade on my MkV.

john's stgIII made 265?whp/295?lbs... and that kit is like 3-4k....

k04 setup can be done for 2k and you can definately make 250+whp/300+lbs

k03 can make 225whp/290lbs and there is room for more...

if you can make the same power OEM thats the way to go... stg III+, gt28r, gt35r, etc... can definately make more but your talking 4+k setups.

[Jecht]

john's stgIII made 265?whp/295?lbs... and that kit is like 3-4k....

k04 setup can be done for 2k and you can definately make 250+whp/300+lbs

k03 can make 225whp/290lbs and there is room for more...

if you can make the same power OEM thats the way to go... stg III+, gt28r, gt35r, etc... can definately make more but your talking 4+k setups.

I totally agree, I wish people would realize that the car companies don't put so much time into research and design for nothing.

[benwaballs]

Are you kidding me? :thinking: :no:

Like you said, you pay out the ass for that APR kit and you don't get ANYWHERE near the power you should for that kind of money...


1st) you pay for what you get as i said before... i dont know what kind of power your talking about? what bt kit did you have anyway? you can make power for cheaper but its going to break, go up in flames, throw codes, ect. anyway you look at it if you plan on up grading a VW/audi or any german car your paying out your ass.

2nd) k04 is a good upgrade if you wanna do dig runs but falls flat on its face on the highway. best turbo for a 1.8t right now is the gt2871 good spool great top end good price.

3rd) sell your vw and get a subie or something w/ some real power. for what i paid for my fmic on my gti i built a full turbo kit and now pull 5+ cars on my old gti on the highway and 15+ from a dig. for a little over 1,500. and it is a much better daily driver :goodjob:

[4dmin]

1st) you pay for what you get as i said before... i dont know what kind of power your talking about? what bt kit did you have anyway? you can make power for cheaper but its going to break, go up in flames, throw codes, ect. anyway you look at it if you plan on up grading a VW/audi or any german car your paying out your ass.

2nd) k04 is a good upgrade if you wanna do dig runs but falls flat on its face on the highway. best turbo for a 1.8t right now is the gt2871 good spool great top end good price.

3rd) sell your vw and get a subie or something w/ some real power. for what i paid for my fmic on my gti i built a full turbo kit and now pull 5+ cars on my old gti on the highway and 15+ from a dig. for a little over 1,500. and it is a much better daily driver :goodjob:

k04 is the cheapest, gt28 definately going to be lots of pwr over stock... but its still alittle over kill on the price. 2g in upgrades to make 250+whp/300+lbs isn't bad.

subie is definately nice but it is a larger motor you can expect more power + its in a totally different class of car... it would be like running a vr6t. 1.8t is a great buy for the money... in the fwd class your not going to get a better bang for your buck.

[B00sted1.8t]

Damn, it took this thread to see all the V dub heads in here? HAHAHAH Whats up everyone.

[4dmin]

Damn, it took this thread to see all the V dub heads in here? HAHAHAH Whats up everyone.

anytime there is a discussion over software or turbos everyone comes out of the woodwork :lmfao:

[Kyle]

It's true.

[R_Rated]

everyone's an expert over teh interwebz!

[Allstar3.8T]

everyone's an expert over teh interwebz!
The shame is few ppl ever actually buy the parts they debate over... They handful of us that do buy, buy enough for everyone!

[Allstar3.8T]

1st) you pay for what you get as i said before... i dont know what kind of power your talking about? what bt kit did you have anyway? you can make power for cheaper but its going to break, go up in flames, throw codes, ect. anyway you look at it if you plan on up grading a VW/audi or any german car your paying out your ass.

2nd) k04 is a good upgrade if you wanna do dig runs but falls flat on its face on the highway. best turbo for a 1.8t right now is the gt2871 good spool great top end good price.

3rd) sell your vw and get a subie or something w/ some real power. for what i paid for my fmic on my gti i built a full turbo kit and now pull 5+ cars on my old gti on the highway and 15+ from a dig. for a little over 1,500. and it is a much better daily driver :goodjob:
What are you driving now?!

[mocha latte cupcake]

Why are you wasting your time on this kid. He will just make another thread asking another question.

It pisses me off people spend time answering his questions and then he asks another one just like it, which requires the same answer you already provided him with on a previous thread.

ya know kyle you piss me off! you and your red golf! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Kyle]

ya know kyle you piss me off! you and your red golf! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

GTFO of the vdub section riceboy!!!

[mocha latte cupcake]

GTFO of the vdub section riceboy!!!
:cry: why you gotta be so mean kyle..... :cry:

[Kyle]

I don't know, maybe cause I don't drive a golf!!!

[mocha latte cupcake]

lies, i work at v dub i know a golf when i see one lol! you just added those badges to fool the haters lol

[Congogrey]

john's stgIII made 265?whp/295?lbs... and that kit is like 3-4k....

k04 setup can be done for 2k and you can definately make 250+whp/300+lbs

k03 can make 225whp/290lbs and there is room for more...

if you can make the same power OEM thats the way to go... stg III+, gt28r, gt35r, etc... can definately make more but your talking 4+k setups.

That is my mistake...I was confusing MkIV and MkV products.

The K04 upgrade for the MkV makes 300hp, which is what I am looking to upgrade in the next year or so.

[benwaballs]

That is my mistake...I was confusing MkIV and MkV products.

The K04 upgrade for the MkV makes 300hp, which is what I am looking to upgrade in the next year or so.


the k04 on the mkv is makeing some serious power... i know there is one one up here in MI that put down 320whp on a k04mkv thats just nuts. cant wait to see what a real turbo will produce. 400whp on a 2871? :crazy:


The shame is few ppl ever actually buy the parts they debate over... They handful of us that do buy, buy enough for everyone!
:yes: :yes: :goodjob:


What are you driving now?!
04 wrx wagon (stock ) :ninja:

[4dmin]

the k04 on the mkv is makeing some serious power... i know there is one one up here in MI that put down 320whp on a k04mkv thats just nuts. cant wait to see what a real turbo will produce. 400whp on a 2871? :crazy:


:yes: :yes: :goodjob:


04 wrx wagon (stock ) :ninja:

:screwy: THAT SHIT IS NUTS! that is fucking sick shit :goodjob: