Non-religious

[Hulud]

why arent you religious?


ill answer first


im not religious because i honestly dont think there is a god. straight up, i jsut dont believe there is someone out there telling us what is right and wrong.

also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".


everyone else who doesnt believe, do share

[2.0civic]

i have a hard time with "god" helping "his" people because all the bad shit todat in society. Growing up, you were always kinda taught that god led your way...so god made that guy shoot another guy 48 times?

plus i have a hard time with thinking that someone else is running my life. im more into beleiving in fate more than god but eh, who knows.


we evolved from monkeys...

[Hulud]

i mean if there was a god why would he let the holocaust happen, or the crusades, or what the egyptians did to the jews?

[Hulud]

because wouldnt the christian religion want people to convert others rather than kill them?

[R.Kelly]

im agnostic because its just to hard to believe that something didnt start it off, the whole situation is very muddled and confusing and extremely hard to explain

[2.0civic]

im agnostic because its just to hard to believe that something didnt start it off, the whole situation is very muddled and confusing and extremely hard to explain


not including the fact the bible contradicts itself numerous times and the fact that a solid ill say....80-85 % of "christians" i know are big hypocrites

[{X}Echo419]

Islam turned me off, b/c of it's leaders/beliefs/killing/terrorism/etc.

on the other hand the Universe,/exsistance didn't just happen out of Nothing. somebody had to put all this shit here. Matter is neither created no destroyed, plain and simple. get past That and I'll go with said person on there being NO God/whatever you want to call it. :2cents:

[R.Kelly]

exactly ^ stuff just wasnt here all along something had to start it off, but how that thing was there before everything else? no one knows and never will

[Jaimecbr900]

Come on guys......yall really want to pose such stereotypical questions? I know yall have way more technical questions than, "we came from monkeys...", right?

[Jaimecbr900]

im not religious because i honestly dont think there is a god. straight up, i jsut dont believe there is someone out there telling us what is right and wrong.

Is there no set right and wrong in your mind? If so, where'd it come from? One step further, how's YOUR "right" and "wrong" define someone else?


also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".

Don't judge all Christians by the actions of someone that claims to be one. Look at the Muslim community. Should we assume they're all out to get us just because a voicetrous bunch say so? Same thing here.

[4dmin]

i don't believe in ANYONES GOD. i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.

ps. if i ever convert to anything becoming Muslim sounds the most appealing.

[Halfwit]

i have no religion. do not believe in a higher being floating around creating things at will. churches are there to make money PERIOD.

[R.Kelly]

i don't believe in ANYONES GOD. i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.

ps. if i ever convert to anything becoming Muslim sounds the most appealing.

well put

[Jaimecbr900]

i have a hard time with "god" helping "his" people because all the bad shit todat in society.

What does one thing have to do with the other?

God guides those that want to be guided. God forgives those that ask for forgiveness. God helps those that ask for help. The caviat is that you have to truly believe in what you're asking for and truly believe in him. That's the key.

What happens in society is due to our inherent imperfection. If you believe in the Bible, then you know that there are two sides to humanity.....good and bad depending on whom they follow. False prophecies are also discussed in the Bible. How do you know the difference? That's where LEARNING and BELIEFS come in. You have to choose a side. No riding fences. Ignorance is not an excuse. No gray areas when it comes to beliefs. You either do or you don't. But it is a CHOICE. Why? Because YOU will be judged based on THAT CHOICE YOU MADE. YOU and only YOU made. It is not God that makes people do BAD things to one another. How do I know that? Because I BELIEVE in something. You don't have to agree. As a matter of fact, God gave you that CHOICE TO MAKE. The question is: Are you making the RIGHT choice? The mere existance of a CHOICE does not take away the fact that there is a right side of the fence and a wrong side of the fence. YOU have to figure out which side is which.



Growing up, you were always kinda taught that god led your way...so god made that guy shoot another guy 48 times?

No he did not. God only leads those that want to follow and believe in him. Kinda like the old "you can lead a horse to water but you can't MAKE him drink..". The horse can be dragged to the water's edge, but if he doesn't WANT to drink he will just stand there and kill over dead eventually. Who's fault is that? The dragger or the horse? Same thing here. You can't say that God leads someone that does the complete opposite of what he teaches. How's that make sense? Just because they say they're "Christian"? Hmmmm, so I guess we should execute ALL Muslims since SOME say they want to kill us???? Who do you think is acting like a TRUE Muslim? The one that is plotting to kill us for no reason, or the one that says it's wrong to do so? Again, same thing here.




plus i have a hard time with thinking that someone else is running my life. im more into beleiving in fate more than god but eh, who knows.

#1. God doesn't "run" anyone's life. People the believe try to follow, yet not one single one of us is remotely close to doing it perfect. This is why you have to believe certain things in order to try and stay on that path.

#2. What is "fate"? Where's come from? Who controls it? What is it about? Much like the big band theory, Where did it start?



we evolved from monkeys...

As stated above, where did "monkeys" come from?

Eventually you will have to Matrix the laws of physics if you follow this big bang theory because there has to be a BEGINNING. Where is that beginning? People gloss over that when they say they believe in the big bang theory, yet call us zelots for believing that someone/something more powerful than us CREATED something.

Hmmm, what created whatever it is that started this big bang thing? :thinking:

[Jaimecbr900]

i don't believe in ANYONES GOD.

Why do you call it "someone's" God? WHO is that someone?

I know what you mean and I believe you mean "organized religion", churches, etc.

Fine, noone has to go to a "church" to believe that there is a God. You merely have to concede that there is someone/something smarter, stronger, more important than you and you wish to be there or follow that. You can do that standing in your living room, sitting on the throne, or going to church on Sunday.



i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.

You believe in a "creator", yet you think I'm crazy for believing there is a "God"??? How's that work?

[Jaimecbr900]

i have no religion. do not believe in a higher being floating around creating things at will. churches are there to make money PERIOD.

Why does "RELIGION" or "CHRISTIANITY"= a brick and mortar CHURCH?

CHURCH is a gathering place. Religion and Christianity is a BELIEF SYSTEM. Not the same.

Explain what churches do with all that money.

[Jaimecbr900]

exactly ^ stuff just wasnt here all along something had to start it off, but how that thing was there before everything else? no one knows and never will

That's double talk.

You believe "something" had to start things off, yet don't understand where that "something" started from?

Don't look now, but that's the reason a lot of people turn TO religion for answers. If you really want an answer to that question, go look for it. You can check out the so called atheists, you can check out the agnostics, you can check out the satanists, you can check out the Christians. All have a very clearly defined answer to your question. It is just a matter of who YOU believe makes more sense to YOU as to what you should follow and believe.

[chrisdavis]

Why does "RELIGION" or "CHRISTIANITY"= a brick and mortar CHURCH?

CHURCH is a gathering place. Religion and Christianity is a BELIEF SYSTEM. Not the same.

Explain what churches do with all that money.


Because the church is the most visible symbol of Christianity.

First I do believe in God. However I find a lot of hypocrisy coming from those who attend church. I have several examples of this currently going on in my own family. My wife's cousin (penticostal) is sleeping with a married man. Her other cousin (again penticostal) is not yet divorced and is "talking" to someone. Yet these two people pass judgement on anyone and everything under the sun (we all know the verse pertaining to that). There is a "preacher" where I work who swears, drinks, has been divorced twice, and has even bragged (yes bragged) that he hit his last wife. She had it coming according to him. He turned her over his knee and spanked her like a child because she was acting like one. I could go on and on for days just on the actions of these three people. I choose to believe and worship in my own way.

[ShooterMcGavin]

i'm agnostic. there are certain things that i don't believe we as humans can ever explain fully, yet at the same time, the bible and its teachings often seem contradictory.

[R.Kelly]

That's double talk.

You believe "something" had to start things off, yet don't understand where that "something" started from?



what im tryin to say is that where do we (humans) have the ability to say whats out there, when we have no real knowledge of a superior being other than the faith that believers have........basically there is no empirical or scientific data to back up the belief that there is a single creator.........i personally believe that there is something that started it off but i, being a lowely human, will never know or understand what it is

[Hulud]

Is there no set right and wrong in your mind? If so, where'd it come from? One step further, how's YOUR "right" and "wrong" define someone else?
my right and wrong stem from how i feel my actions will best help the community. not what some book says. it doesnt matter what book it is, if i feel "breaking the law" would be better for the comunity then i will do it.

if you always follow we would still have slaves, women would not be equal, we would still have a king, etc...




Don't judge all Christians by the actions of someone that claims to be one. Look at the Muslim community. Should we assume they're all out to get us just because a voicetrous bunch say so? Same thing here.
its not the same thing at all, im talkin about apples and your talkin about tires (no where in the same field of conversation)

you see this is where you always get me, gives me a little chuckle.

im not judging anyone. what makes you think i am?
i just said that the beliefs and the so called leaders turned me off of the religion. im not judging anyone for their beliefs, yet for some reason you always think i am :thinking:

[Hulud]

on the other hand the Universe,/exsistance didn't just happen out of Nothing. somebody had to put all this shit here. Matter is neither created no destroyed, plain and simple. get past That and I'll go with said person on there being NO God/whatever you want to call it. :2cents:
this is another perfect example right here

he thinks that since something cant be explained yet, that there has to be a god


god seems to be the answer to questions that are too complex for us, but whatever floats your boat

[4dmin]

Why do you call it "someone's" God? WHO is that someone?

I know what you mean and I believe you mean "organized religion", churches, etc.

Fine, noone has to go to a "church" to believe that there is a God. You merely have to concede that there is someone/something smarter, stronger, more important than you and you wish to be there or follow that. You can do that standing in your living room, sitting on the throne, or going to church on Sunday.




You believe in a "creator", yet you think I'm crazy for believing there is a "God"??? How's that work?

i didn't say SOMEONE'S i said ANYONE'S b/c the god i refer to isn't your GOD. i have my own ideas of which i don't assume anyone shares, and no i don't belive in organized religion even your christianity was never meant to be the way it has turned out.

though there may be something else a god, a force, something we can't put a name too... but i do not praise it nor will i bow before it. i don't see my self as anything but equal in essense. i can create and destroy life just as the gods once talked about. the difference between me and a christian is i will not look for truth of my exsistence in word of man.

i think your crazy for idolizing anything over yourself. NO GODS NO MASTERS CHOOSE YOUR HEAVEN. ;)

[{X}Echo419]

Hulud IA's offical Pudding Sturrer :P

[Hulud]

Hulud IA's offical Pudding Sturrer :P
you know it

[97prelude]

im agnostic. ppl are just brainwashed usually from a young age. most of religion is just stupid. how can ppl really believe in creationism and give up all proof of evolution. i think that the bible was a group of stories written to tech morals and lessons. it is not the word of "god". i hate how literal ppl take it. i went to a catholic school for nine years. that will really turn u off. some people dont feel safe without a higher being to watch over them and somewhere to go when they die. almost everyone is afriad of death and wrongs in the world. This playes in their fear and gives them comfort. i think that church is a cult gathering. my 2 cents.

[Jaimecbr900]

if you always follow we would still have slaves, women would not be equal, we would still have a king, etc...

Please quote me a passage from the Bible where it condones slavery, inequality, and to worship or follow ANY King besides Jesus.

What does humanity evolution have to do with it? :thinking:


its not the same thing at all, im talkin about apples and your talkin about tires (no where in the same field of conversation)

It is the exact same thing. How is it not?

You and several others constantly judge Christianity as a WHOLE by the bad deeds of a few that claim to be Christians. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't make them a true follower. EXACTLY as the Muslim situation. The general Muslim community says that their religion is NOT about killing people, yet Ossamah and his crew has been proclaiming that Allah is supporting their attempt at genocide. Can't have it both ways, so someone is dead wrong. Right? How's that any different than you and anyone else talking about how "Christians" are this and that and that church is a rip off and yada yada ALL based off what a FEW people made you feel. That means you are basing your decisions on the actions of a few. I'm not saying that's necessarily right nor wrong, but atleast admit that's what it is.




im not judging anyone. what makes you think i am?
i just said that the beliefs and the so called leaders turned me off of the religion. im not judging anyone for their beliefs, yet for some reason you always think i am :thinking:

Exhibit A.

You obviously using a different definition of "judging" than is accepted by everyone else.

Just a reminder, here is what "judge" means.....see if any apply to this discussion:

judge Listen: [ jj ]
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v. tr.


To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.

a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case. b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn. c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.

To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.

Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.

Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.




I even highlighted the parts that apply to you. Still think you're not "judging" things? You are.

[Jaimecbr900]

i have my own ideas of which i don't assume anyone shares,

I'll bite. What's your God like? What are his/her qualities? Where'd he/she come from? What is his/her purpose?


though there may be something else a god, a force, something we can't put a name too... but i do not praise it nor will i bow before it. i don't see my self as anything but equal in essense.

How can you be it's "equal" when you can't even explain what "it" is? :thinking:

What did this "god" of yours do? Did he or she create anything? If so, what did YOU create that it's equal to what he/she created? IF you can't do the same things he/she can, then there is no possible way you could be it's "equal". ;)



i can create and destroy life just as the gods once talked about. the difference between me and a christian is i will not look for truth of my exsistence in word of man.

Where do you look for that truth then?


i think your crazy for idolizing anything over yourself. NO GODS NO MASTERS CHOOSE YOUR HEAVEN. ;)

You've placed your bet, and I mine. ;)

[Hulud]

Please quote me a passage from the Bible where it condones slavery, inequality, and to worship or follow ANY King besides Jesus.
here
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”

—Ephesians 6:5-6

but i wasnt even referring to christianity being ok with slavery


What does humanity evolution have to do with it? :thinking:
here you go over analyzing, i was just making a statement
why dont you go back and re-read it knowing this: i was making an example that if you follow one set of rules we would not be where we are as a society today.

you asked me where i got my morals from, so i said what i think is best for teh community. and so if i think that not obeying the laws is best then i will do it ie. blacks were slaves, so others thought that wasnt right and they disobeyed the laws to make a better society




It is the exact same thing. How is it not?

You and several others constantly judge Christianity as a WHOLE by the bad deeds of a few that claim to be Christians. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't make them a true follower. EXACTLY as the Muslim situation. The general Muslim community says that their religion is NOT about killing people, yet Ossamah and his crew has been proclaiming that Allah is supporting their attempt at genocide. Can't have it both ways, so someone is dead wrong. Right? How's that any different than you and anyone else talking about how "Christians" are this and that and that church is a rip off and yada yada ALL based off what a FEW people made you feel. That means you are basing your decisions on the actions of a few. I'm not saying that's necessarily right nor wrong, but atleast admit that's what it is.

sorry i wasnt referring to the muslim comment you made, i was referring to how you thought i was judging all christians with my previous comment. i should have only quoted the first part.

i was basically trying to say that i was disgusted with the church leaders and the christian beliefs. then you said i was judging all christians (which i wasnt) so thats where my apples and tires comment came from.






Exhibit A.

You obviously using a different definition of "judging" than is accepted by everyone else.

Just a reminder, here is what "judge" means.....see if any apply to this discussion:

judge Listen: [ jj ]
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v. tr.


To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.

a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case. b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn. c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.

To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.

Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.

Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.

I even highlighted the parts that apply to you. Still think you're not "judging" things? You are.
im still trying to figure out where i am judging anyone in this thread :thinking:

heres my post where you went off on your judging banter

why arent you religious?


ill answer first


im not religious because i honestly dont think there is a god. straight up, i jsut dont believe there is someone out there telling us what is right and wrong.

also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".


everyone else who doesnt believe, do share
i was simply stating what turned me off religion, which was the church leaders and the christian beliefs (dont agree with some of them)

[Jaimecbr900]

you asked me where i got my morals from, so i said what i think is best for teh community. and so if i think that not obeying the laws is best then i will do it ie. blacks were slaves, so others thought that wasnt right and they disobeyed the laws to make a better society

Where I lost you is that Religion dictates people's MORAL compass, not their earthy legal one. :thinking:

How would following the "laws" here translate to religion? Right and wrong is not only defined by laws, but also by morals. As a matter of fact, there are more people that govern themselves according to their MORALS rather than written laws. Sometimes that's good, other times it's not. But that's the truth.





i was basically trying to say that i was disgusted with the church leaders and the christian beliefs. then you said i was judging all christians (which i wasnt) so thats where my apples and tires comment came from.

Yes you are. You have always said that religion was a farce and that it was a rip off and that it was fake. All those opinions you have formed because of your experience with a very LIMITED exposure of "churches" or "Christians". So what I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass judgement on ALL Christians based on a few. I'm not saying you're wrong in your belief. You feel what you feel. I am noone to argue that. But just don't glob everyone into the same dough because Religion is not a cookie cutter.




im still trying to figure out where i am judging anyone in this thread :thinking:

I didn't say you were judging anyONE. I said you're judging "Christianity" based on a limited exposure and therefore you are passing judgement onto something based on the actions of few. Again, I'm not trying to argue if that's right nor wrong, but I'm just saying that you should at least recognize that's what you're doing.




i was simply stating what turned me off religion, which was the church leaders and the christian beliefs (dont agree with some of them)

Ok, I'll bite with you too.


What is it that you don't like about church "leaders"?

What is it that you don't agree with in a Christian belief system?

[Hulud]

Where I lost you is that Religion dictates people's MORAL compass, not their earthy legal one. :thinking:

How would following the "laws" here translate to religion? Right and wrong is not only defined by laws, but also by morals. As a matter of fact, there are more people that govern themselves according to their MORALS rather than written laws. Sometimes that's good, other times it's not. But that's the truth.


you asked where i get my morals from, so i said "how i think society would benefit best". so i was just making a point that following books and laws is not always the best way, this really had nothing to do with religion. you just asked where i got my morals from so i said where and tried to explain what i meant.






Yes you are. You have always said that religion was a farce and that it was a rip off and that it was fake. All those opinions you have formed because of your experience with a very LIMITED exposure of "churches" or "Christians".
ok your right i do judge the religion, because i dont believe in it


So what I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass judgement on ALL Christians based on a few. I'm not saying you're wrong in your belief. You feel what you feel. I am noone to argue that. But just don't glob everyone into the same dough because Religion is not a cookie cutter.
i have never once judged a person for their beliefs nor do i "glod" everyone inot the same dough






I didn't say you were judging anyONE. I said you're judging "Christianity" based on a limited exposure and therefore you are passing judgement onto something based on the actions of few. Again, I'm not trying to argue if that's right nor wrong, but I'm just saying that you should at least recognize that's what you're doing.
i see what your saying now






Ok, I'll bite with you too.
time to reel you in lol
sorry i always wanted to say that when i see you post that comment



What is it that you don't like about church "leaders"?
let me get this across before you say im judging them all cause i see that trap waiting for me. obviously i dont know EVERY leader and your comment is going to be "dont let one ruin it for all of them". so with that said:
i dont like all the altar boy stuff that happens.
i hate how most the preists i have seen at churches i have been to, guilt you into making donations, something about teh tithe (i dont know what % that is)
i dont like what they have done in the past either


What is it that you don't agree with in a Christian belief system?
basically all the stories, like adam and eve, moses, noah, etc...

but it basically comes down to one thing, we can discuss all this stuff but i still have one major problem with religion in general, i cant prove there is a god to myself nor can i disprove the existance of a god (hence me being agnostic)

[Jecht]

i don't believe in ANYONES GOD. i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.

x2...
I think its just programmed into the human mind to believe in a higher power. I believe that yes, there might be a being who started the big bang with the intentions of creating life. I was born and raised a christian and despite my current beliefs I still attend church on occasion since its engrained into my head to feel bad if I never go.

[idriveasloweclipse]

Christianity makes a great story. A sort of boring way of life, but hey it makes into a great childrens book. :goodjob:


Only two positive things come from the holy bible
1. money
2. virgins

[Jaimecbr900]

Christianity makes a great story. A sort of boring way of life, but hey it makes into a great childrens book. :goodjob:


Only two positive things come from the holy bible
1. money
2. virgins


Wow, how deep a person you are. Impressive.

So it's boring to help out someone in need. It's boring to try and do good instead of bad. It's boring to honor your parents. It's boring to celebrate things at different times of the year. Hmmmm, wow.

Look, don't come into a discussion without having your guns loaded. Show examples or explain yourself better because right now all you are doing is being an idiot.

What money?
What virgins?
Why is that good?
Why do you like it?
What Bible verses make you feel the way you do?
What experiences in your life make you the way you are?
What thought process are you using to justify your stance?

When you can inject some rational thought into a debate that is deeper than a thimble, then come back. Until then, you're not equipped for even a semi-intelligent debate.

[Hulud]

Wow, how deep a person you are. Impressive.
:lmao:

i was thinking the same thing lol

[BABY J]

Let's assume, for a moment, that there is a God. We may not know the nature of God, or
which religion comes closest to the truth, but we can be sure of one thing:

God does not love you.

Look at all the cruelty and misery in the world, which God does nothing to stop. Right now,
as you are reading this, there are children in various places around the world being raped
and tortured. Most of us would risk our lives, give up our lives, to save them if we could.
God stands by and does nothing. God has abandoned these children, and clearly does not
love them. God does not love you, either.

There are some religions which claim that "God's love is a different kind of love", which is
supposed to explain and justify what appears to be God's divine indifference. This is total
bullshit. If I claim that I love my neighbor, and then set his house on fire and shoot him in
the head, anyone can see that my "love" is not love at all.

Another fallacy along these lines is the statement that, "God doesn't give us more than we
can handle in life". This is a ridiculous statement. Go to a mental institution, go to the ward
for those who are seriously disturbed, and you'll see people who just sit and rock back and
forth all day, staring off into space, or screaming at nonexistant terrors. God has given
them more than they could handle, and now they're totally broken.

So you have no loving God watching over you, making sure you get what you need. You
don't get what you need in life, you don't get what you want, you don't get what you
deserve. You get what you get.

[idriveasloweclipse]

Wow, how deep a person you are. Impressive.

So it's boring to help out someone in need. It's boring to try and do good instead of bad. It's boring to honor your parents. It's boring to celebrate things at different times of the year. Hmmmm, wow.

Look, don't come into a discussion without having your guns loaded. Show examples or explain yourself better because right now all you are doing is being an idiot.

What money?
What virgins?
Why is that good?
Why do you like it?
What Bible verses make you feel the way you do?
What experiences in your life make you the way you are?
What thought process are you using to justify your stance?

When you can inject some rational thought into a debate that is deeper than a thimble, then come back. Until then, you're not equipped for even a semi-intelligent debate.

A. this thread was about NON RELIGION......and people who don't believe
B. I don't know any bible verses, nor do I want to
C. Why do you ask so many questions? is this an interrogation?
D. I am sorry I am not a christian, please chastise me some more you fucking hypocrite.
E. My guns are loaded

[BABY J]

"Christ died for your sins!" - Christianity

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" - John 3:16


Apparently we are supposed to be impressed by this. However:

First of all, "only begotten son". God, being omnipotent, could have billions of sons
any time he wanted, so the fact that Jesus was his only son is not terribly meaningful.

Secondly, what's the big deal about Jesus dying for us? I mean, he came back to life
a few days later, didn't he? And, being omnipotent, he can apparently transition back
and forth from being alive to dead whenever he wants, so his death was not any sort
of sacrifice whatsoever.

He did, however, allow himself to die in an unpleasant away, enduring some
moderate amount of torture or pain for a few days. It was a far easier death than a lot
of cancer or AIDS sufferers face, but still, it was something. "Christ suffered briefly
for your sins!" is more accurate, but I guess this slogan wouldn't be all that great a
selling point for Christianity.

Or how about, "For God liked the world somewhat, so he allowed the only son he
ever bothered to have to suffer briefly, so that some people could escape the hell
which God created".

If I could somehow cleanse millions of people of their sins (whatever the fuck that
means) and save them all from hell by dying in some unpleasant fashion, I would be
willing to do so. And I do NOT have the ability to bring myself back to life, which
would make mine a far bigger sacrifice than that of Jesus. I guess this makes me
more loving than either God or Jesus. Feel free to worship me if you like.

[BABY J]

I always say I am not gonna get into these discussions - for the sake of my grandma, and my mom, who both think that they are going to heaven. News flash!!! You're not!

[BABY J]

In fact - as far as hell goes, I'd say that HELL is on Earth - we are already here! And heaven, well when u die you don't have to worry about Earth - so THAT will be heaven. I hope I can still get laid there.... if not, I'm staying right here in hell as long as I can.

[Jaimecbr900]

A. this thread was about NON RELIGION......and people who don't believe

What's that got to do with the shallowness and immaturity of your response?


B. I don't know any bible verses, nor do I want to

Probably the reason why you don't bring anything semi-intelligent into a religious debate. Hence why I told you that you can't come "unarmed" to this type of debate, because you obviously don't KNOW what you're talking about.


C. Why do you ask so many questions? is this an interrogation?

Because it's obvious you haven't asked those questions BEFORE creating your assumptive opinion.


D. I am sorry I am not a christian, please chastise me some more you fucking hypocrite.

BTW, by definition a "hypocrite" is someone that professes opinions or beliefs which he/she does not hold.

You wanna show me what part of that definition applies to me?

[Jaimecbr900]

E. My guns are loaded

I noticed you edited your original post to add this tidbit.......I promise you....you don't want to go there with me. Ask around.

BTW, you're not even OLD ENOUGH to own a gun, so how could they be "loaded"...... :rolleyes:

[Hulud]

Let's assume, for a moment, that there is a God. We may not know the nature of God, or
which religion comes closest to the truth, but we can be sure of one thing:

God does not love you.

Look at all the cruelty and misery in the world, which God does nothing to stop. Right now,
as you are reading this, there are children in various places around the world being raped
and tortured. Most of us would risk our lives, give up our lives, to save them if we could.
God stands by and does nothing. God has abandoned these children, and clearly does not
love them. God does not love you, either.

There are some religions which claim that "God's love is a different kind of love", which is
supposed to explain and justify what appears to be God's divine indifference. This is total
bullshit. If I claim that I love my neighbor, and then set his house on fire and shoot him in
the head, anyone can see that my "love" is not love at all.

Another fallacy along these lines is the statement that, "God doesn't give us more than we
can handle in life". This is a ridiculous statement. Go to a mental institution, go to the ward
for those who are seriously disturbed, and you'll see people who just sit and rock back and
forth all day, staring off into space, or screaming at nonexistant terrors. God has given
them more than they could handle, and now they're totally broken.

So you have no loving God watching over you, making sure you get what you need. You
don't get what you need in life, you don't get what you want, you don't get what you
deserve. You get what you get.
:goodjob:
well said

[idriveasloweclipse]

I noticed you edited your original post to add this tidbit.......I promise you....you don't want to go there with me. Ask around.

BTW, you're not even OLD ENOUGH to own a gun, so how could they be "loaded"...... :rolleyes:

Don't try to push your beliefs or anything......I don't have much to say other than you are a typical christian fighting for a lost cause. Keep defending your "religion" and assuming things about people you know nothing about. It is not your fault though, you have inhereted your ignorance by "believing". I am old enough to own a gun, don't really know where your going with that. I am not going to "ask around" I am sure you have plenty of boyfriends on here who are riding your nuts and ready to support you. DOn't be that guy.

[BABY J]

IDRIVE - I have 2 words for you. 1) SHUTTHEFUCKU 2)P. This is an intelligent debate, of course w/ a few things tossed in for good humor. Do NOT knock some1 for their beliefs - say what yours are and leave it at that. I do not know you - and right now I'd rather not. Despite the fact that some1 can say "I am a Lutheran" but does not know how a Lutheran differs from a Presbyterian does not mean u make personal attacks. I know more about religion and the bible than a lot of devout Christians and have never met one that can go toe to toe with me, but I always repspect their view. Post all you want, just be adult about it. JAIMECBR900 has offered more COHERENT thought in the religion forums before you even knew what this site was - this is not me and his 1st dance, and we have ALWAYS respected each other even though we disagree - you should do the same. Leave gun talk out of it. If he is one thing, it's CONSISTENT and that's more than I can say for a lot of Christians.

** insert smart ass comment that will be ignored here **

[BABY J]

EDIT

[Hulud]

IDRIVE - I have 2 words for you. 1) SHUTTHEFUCKU 2)P. This is an intelligent debate. Do NOT knock some1 for their beliefs - say what yours are and leave it at that. I do not know you - and right now I'd rather not. Despite the fact that some1 can say "I am a Lutheran" but does not know how a Lutheran differs from a Presbyterian does not mean u make personal attacks. I know more about religion and the bible than a lot of devout Christians and have never met one that can go toe to toe with me, but I always repspect their view. Post all you want, just be adult about it. JAIMECBR900 has offered more COHERENT thought in the religion forums before you even knew what this site was - this is not me and his 1st dance, and we have ALWAYS respected each other even though we disagree - you should do the same. Leave gun talk out of it. If he is one thing, it's CONSISTENT and that's more than I can say for a lot of Christians.

** insert smart ass comment that will be ignored here **
i hate you baby j, taking the words out of my mouth (again)

[{X}Echo419]

here
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”

—Ephesians 6:5-6

but i wasnt even referring to christianity being ok with slavery

I would think of that as more of a metaphore(sp). think about it; a. back then slaves probally couldn't read. b. Christians were slaves themselves. I think that particular verse should be looked @ as an example of how to serve God. :2cents:

[BABY J]

LOLR. Kids. Cute.

[idriveasloweclipse]

all I can really say is I am old enough to own a gun

[Hulud]

I would think of that as more of a metaphore(sp). think about it; a. back then slaves probally couldn't read. b. Christians were slaves themselves. I think that particular verse should be looked @ as an example of how to serve God. :2cents:
slavery back then is not what it was in the 1800s here

it was not by race.

that quote i used really had nothing to do with this topic anyways

[Jaimecbr900]

Don't try to push your beliefs or anything......I don't have much to say other than you are a typical christian fighting for a lost cause. Keep defending your "religion" and assuming things about people you know nothing about. It is not your fault though, you have inhereted your ignorance by "believing". I am old enough to own a gun, don't really know where your going with that. I am not going to "ask around" I am sure you have plenty of boyfriends on here who are riding your nuts and ready to support you. DOn't be that guy.

:lmfao: :lmfao:

You're a funny young man. You're spunky, I give you that.

Ironically enough, before I could even reply to you.....Baby J (who has very much different position with me on this subject) has just put you in your place about your ignorance.

Bottomline is that you should try and LEARN from these discussions and when so equipped interject with some wisdom of your own to make others think. THAT is what a semi-intelligent debate amongst adults is about. You wanna be a part of it, cool. Just don't come to an adult debate with childish comments. Doesn't work and will only serve to confirm your status on the maturity tree.

BTW, if you are 20 yrs old.....you are indeed NOT old enough to own a gun. Maybe a rifle, but not a gun. You wanna debate me on that? :rolleyes:

[{X}Echo419]

slavery back then is not what it was in the 1800s here

it was not by race.

that quote i used really had nothing to do with this topic anyways
I know. I wasn't saying that.

[idriveasloweclipse]

Ok your right, I can't legally own a handgun. No debate. You are more educated than me on religion. I have to go take finals now. I am sorry I have interrupted a serious conversation on religion. I am known for blurting anti- religious remarks. Sorry guys I will try to stay out of your debates. You are all obviously aquaintances.

[Jaimecbr900]

Alright, back on topic.

Baby J, question:

How can you say it's not a big deal that Jesus died for our sins, sins BTW that HE didn't commit?

Think about it though.....if you had a son.....only one son.....would you voluntarily send him to suffer and die in order to prove a point? How hard a decision would that be for you? Could you do it at all?

I understand your point about being omnipotent and therefore in your eyes that minimizes the risk.......but could you do it? Send your ONLY son, whom you love, to die for the sins of someone else whom at that time didn't even appreciate the grandure of the gesture??? Think about it.

[BABY J]

Sure I would do it - I am God and can raise him. EASY decision.

[Jaimecbr900]

Sure I would do it - I am God and can raise him. EASY decision.

Easy decision to send your only son to SUFFER and be KILLED???? Even if you know you can ressurect him AFTER he's suffered and been KILLED???? I wouldn't let my son near a dull butter knife, let alone send him off to die...on purpose....knowing that he was going to suffer......for someone else's mistakes......absolutely not. I would go in his place, but to send him would mean a much greater sacrifice.......hence his point.

Come on, even you have a heart. That is not only a difficult decision, but also a selfless one to prove a point.

People who don't believe often talk about "proof". What more proof could someone give than his ONLY SON to become flesh and blood and walk among us that he is then tortured and killed and subsequently raised from the dead to prove to the non-believers that it can all be done as he says it can.......what more proof would anyone need?

If somehow someone found remnants of the actual cross where Jesus was crucified onto.......would non-believers suddenly change their minds and believe? Probably not. So, proof is in the eye of the beholder and only makes up the mind of the person who is willing to have their mind changed. ;)

[Jaimecbr900]

I see you Paul........ :D

BTW, I got a phone call about you today......you sure you wanna get on my bad side TODAY...... :D :D :D :lmfao: ;) JP.

[BABY J]

JAIME - you are thinking about it as JAIME sending your son. If I was GOD, I'd send MYSELF my son, ANYTHING! I MEAN I'M GOD!!! That fact alone makes the "sacrifice" not a "sacrifice" at all!

[4dmin]

The main proglem w/ religion is the basis of FEAR... FEAR what you don't know!

If you want to live your life that why thats your business I think that if there was a creator or a god of sort that it's intentions for our exsistence is more then enslavement.

[Jaimecbr900]

JAIME - you are thinking about it as JAIME sending your son. If I was GOD, I'd send MYSELF my son, ANYTHING! I MEAN I'M GOD!!! That fact alone makes the "sacrifice" not a "sacrifice" at all!

Yeah, but regardless it's still a sacrifice.

Even if you give a bum a dollar.....a dollar that is not going to make YOU broke for giving it away.....it's still a sacrifice that YOU are giving to someone else whose misfortunes are not any fault of yours.

So I still don't see where the sacrifice should be made futile just because he's GOD. It's still a sacrifice, right?

[BABY J]

NOTHING is a sacrifice for "God". If there was a God, the ONLY sacrifice that He could TRULY make is to relenquish his power (forever) for the sins of man (whatever those are).

[Jaimecbr900]

The main proglem w/ religion is the basis of FEAR... FEAR what you don't know!

I actually sort of agree with you on this.

This is one of the biggest turn-offs that I had when Joan and I were looking for a church to join. As some of yall know, I was raised Catholic and she Baptist....not the easiest mix to say the least. So we decided that we'd have to go and visit all kinds of different "churches" to see which one we both felt would follow down the same path for US. We must have visited 10 different places from atleast 10 different denominations. The one we belong to now is the one that we both literally looked at each other during a sermon and said, "this is the one"....and we've been members since.

One thing I noticed while visiting different churches was that sometimes the leader, even with good intentions, would turn people off by shouting and pushing their fire and brimstone type of sermons and messages. You didn't feel welcomed to learn, you felt OBLIGATED. I didn't like that at all. If I give, I give out of my own accord...my own will. If I have a question, I don't want you to have to shout and sweat to give me the answer.

So I agree that FEAR is not a proper way to get a religious point across. I do however see how sometimes the truth or reality can be construed as "fear" because it is in fact scary.

Kinda like the day you give your kids the car keys when they're 16 yrs old. You may tell them that if he/she does this or that they may end up DEAD. That's a fact. Scary fact, but a fact.

Same with churches. Sometimes in their effort to convey the message that there is a right side and a wrong side of the fence......they think they have to yell at you and scare the crap out of you into believing it. That to me is not the way it was ever meant to be broadcast. But that's just me.

[Jaimecbr900]

NOTHING is a sacrifice for "God". If there was a God, the ONLY sacrifice that He could TRULY make is to relenquish his power (forever) for the sins of man (whatever those are).


To whom?

[BABY J]

To whom?

To Brett. LOL - no, to no1. To just give up being God. Or maybe a sacrifice could have been not resurrecting His Son. As it sits RIGHT NOW, there has not been a sacrifice. There was a parade - a SHOW. A facade.

[Jaimecbr900]

To Brett. LOL - no, to no1.

I dunno....Brett would have a big orgy or something and make everybody get lambo doors on their cars......LOL. :lmfao: JP.

Well, but to "relinquish" his power he'd by definition have to give it up to someone, right?


To just give up being God. Or maybe a sacrifice could have been not resurrecting His Son.

Well, but how would that of proven the point that HE is all powerful, and all knowing if he couldn't even save his own son....just as he'd said and his son had said BEFORE he died?

In other words, you can't prove to someone that you can turn stones into bread without actually doing it atleast once, right?

[4dmin]

I actually sort of agree with you on this.

This is one of the biggest turn-offs that I had when Joan and I were looking for a church to join. As some of yall know, I was raised Catholic and she Baptist....not the easiest mix to say the least. So we decided that we'd have to go and visit all kinds of different "churches" to see which one we both felt would follow down the same path for US. We must have visited 10 different places from atleast 10 different denominations. The one we belong to now is the one that we both literally looked at each other during a sermon and said, "this is the one"....and we've been members since.

One thing I noticed while visiting different churches was that sometimes the leader, even with good intentions, would turn people off by shouting and pushing their fire and brimstone type of sermons and messages. You didn't feel welcomed to learn, you felt OBLIGATED. I didn't like that at all. If I give, I give out of my own accord...my own will. If I have a question, I don't want you to have to shout and sweat to give me the answer.

So I agree that FEAR is not a proper way to get a religious point across. I do however see how sometimes the truth or reality can be construed as "fear" because it is in fact scary.

Kinda like the day you give your kids the car keys when they're 16 yrs old. You may tell them that if he/she does this or that they may end up DEAD. That's a fact. Scary fact, but a fact.

Same with churches. Sometimes in their effort to convey the message that there is a right side and a wrong side of the fence......they think they have to yell at you and scare the crap out of you into believing it. That to me is not the way it was ever meant to be broadcast. But that's just me.

ya FEAR kinda died this century when we finally started exercising FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THOUGHT... its easy to say you don't agree w/ the church today; 200 years ago you would be burned on the cross ;)

this is why you see alot of southern churches move the the whole YOUR GOING TO HELL stance which was still very popular in the 80's to hey come to church and have FUN!!! :lmfao:

[Jaimecbr900]

ya FEAR kinda died this century when we finally started exercising FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THOUGHT... its easy to say you don't agree w/ the church today; 200 years ago you would be burned on the cross ;)

this is why you see alot of southern churches move the the whole YOUR GOING TO HELL stance which was still very popular in the 80's to hey come to church and have FUN!!! :lmfao:

Well, don't go too far.....you still get lynched and dragged thru the streets in SOME parts of the world for being a Christian.....White.....Brown....American....all sorts of reasons..... ;)

But I understand what you're saying.

BTW, just so yall know....."church" is far more than the brick and mortar that is seen from the street. A lot of churches do a ton of humanitarian and community aid out of those big brick and mortar buildings. They just don't call the AJC to publish it like a corporation would. So just because you don't always hear about it or read about doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Trust me, I've been involved and still do quite a few "community projects" and different things to help people I don't even know and we do it for our own well being, satisfaction, and purpose. Again, just because the masses don't see people out there building homes for the homeless or serving at a soup kitchen (we do both out of my church BTW ;) ), it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It most certainly does.

[{X}Echo419]

To whom?

I think he means like in Superman 2, or was it 3 when Superman gives up his power and those 3 criminals get busted out of that mirror in space. which btw is a real shitty "prison" to just float in space if some pathetic sound waves can bust it. :2cents:

[4dmin]

Well, don't go too far.....you still get lynched and dragged thru the streets in SOME parts of the world for being a Christian.....White.....Brown....American....all sorts of reasons..... ;)

But I understand what you're saying.

BTW, just so yall know....."church" is far more than the brick and mortar that is seen from the street. A lot of churches do a ton of humanitarian and community aid out of those big brick and mortar buildings. They just don't call the AJC to publish it like a corporation would. So just because you don't always hear about it or read about doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Trust me, I've been involved and still do quite a few "community projects" and different things to help people I don't even know and we do it for our own well being, satisfaction, and purpose. Again, just because the masses don't see people out there building homes for the homeless or serving at a soup kitchen (we do both out of my church BTW ;) ), it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It most certainly does.

Though this is true i will go to say churches do alot more for their church/members then outside community. Sorry but multi million dollar facilities and salary employees make it very hard for me to see that this is a TAX FREE enviroment of worship only ;)

If i was christian my family would study the bible at home and interpet it for ourselves; we do send our children to school to read there is no reason not to use our public education.

[AtifSajid]

I really didnt want to post in these threads anymore, but since I have nothing else to do...


i mean if there was a god why would he let the holocaust happen, or the crusades, or what the egyptians did to the jews?

Many of the questions posted on IA are from guys/girls that arent into religion that much, so there level of thought/existence of the unseen hasnt hit that level yet. Like I can explain some things to you here, but everyone will be like wtf is this guy talking about, and some will be like true. Its almost where you have to start with basic beliefs and then let it soak in before you go more in depth, but even then if you dont want to belief you will not.

Most of the things that go on in your daily lives are like tests that God puts you threw(and always remember, when I write GOD it means the most powerful, unkown being on the world, not anything else. To me God has no siblings, nor has he given any of his powers to anyone)(Prophets are different and a different subject)

So back to the tests...if you follow the good path and in a personal way you pass these tests with the help of God then you will succeed in life. I can start listing examples, but it will be long..

For many religion isnt even somewhere to be or follow. Its a way to calm your mind and your spirit, that way you live a more peaceful life. But when you get into your religion where it starts calming you and gives you peace, then the other aspects of your religion fall into play automatically..thats how beautiful God made religion.

In Islam it say something similiar to this..if you a take a step towards God, he runs towards you. If you ask for forgiveness, he will forgive you.

You all know all this. I shouldnt even have to preach this. This is written in the Bible, Quran, Torah.

Im just talking to you guys that dont believe in religion..what harm is it going to do if you did? Really ask yourself...what will happen if I believe in God??

You know what your answer will be?? Nothing..aight then, why dont you try. Just try. I mean most people are afraid because they think they are so bad, that it scares them to turn towards God. Honestly, try it, and I bet it will feel scary at first, and then you will LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

Aight I could go on, but Im done here..


Islam turned me off, b/c of it's leaders/beliefs/killing/terrorism/etc.


This dude is a fucken dumbass, like I have always stated.



ps. if i ever convert to anything becoming Muslim sounds the most appealing.


That was funny you said that, because while I was reading your response that ran across my mind. And there you go and post it.

[BABY J]

Just try huh? Just try to believe in WHICH God? ;)

[Jaimecbr900]

Im just talking to you guys that dont believe in religion..what harm is it going to do if you did? Really ask yourself...what will happen if I believe in God??

You know what your answer will be?? Nothing..aight then, why dont you try. Just try. I mean most people are afraid because they think they are so bad, that it scares them to turn towards God. Honestly, try it, and I bet it will feel scary at first, and then you will LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF IT.




Look at Atif preaching it......Word!!!!...you go Atif. :goodjob:

I've asked the same question myself several times.

It would seem to me that if I was given a chance to bet on something in which I was convinced there was no chance of me losing my money, even if I was wrong.........why wouldn't I bet? I'd be pretty stupid NOT to bet based on those odds, right?

Same thing for the people who don't believe in God.

If you're so sure there's never going to be a judgement day for you, and someone offered you a way to if there WAS you wouldn't be condemned for not believing......why would you pass that up? It's a win-win for you, isn't it? If you believe, you may get saved. If there is no God, even if you believed nothing is going to happen to you. What's there to lose? :thinking:

[4dmin]

Look at Atif preaching it......Word!!!!...you go Atif. :goodjob:

I've asked the same question myself several times.

It would seem to me that if I was given a chance to bet on something in which I was convinced there was no chance of me losing my money, even if I was wrong.........why wouldn't I bet? I'd be pretty stupid NOT to bet based on those odds, right?

Same thing for the people who don't believe in God.

If you're so sure there's never going to be a judgement day for you, and someone offered you a way to if there WAS you wouldn't be condemned for not believing......why would you pass that up? It's a win-win for you, isn't it? If you believe, you may get saved. If there is no God, even if you believed nothing is going to happen to you. What's there to lose? :thinking:

I totally understand what you guys are saying but i think you don't understand the point of not beliving... i'll take the both of you as an example:

Jaime: your a christian, Atif is a muslim, you don't belive he will be in heaven b/c he isn't christian

Atif: your a muslim, Jaime is a christian, you belive he won't be in heaven but he can go to heaven eventually once they accept Islam; even after death (this is my broad understanding)

So there is the issue for those who are not religious... what to pick and choose from? Alot of people think they are the chosen ones and their belief system is right. i know the stance of many is that they do not believe in anything but if we are wrong once shown the way who wouldn't accept it. Its easy to point a finger and say try it, but again how many times have you tried another or lack of religion... there are 1000s of different faiths. Science even in essence is faith in something ;).

We are humans like to tinker over the words (scriptures) instead of the ideas. Even faith in science is an idea. To me thats good enough, i know my religion doesn't say jaime is going to hell for being christian and atif is going to hell for being muslim... i think you choose where you are going through actions and guilt; we are living our heaven/hells day after day.

[Jaimecbr900]

Science even in essence is faith in something ;).

I'm going to save this little tidbit for discussions at a future date..... ;) :D

[4dmin]

I'm going to save this little tidbit for discussions at a future date..... ;) :D

don't misunderstand my choice of words... you can have faith that the morning newspaper is going to be delivered... but for conversation sake anyone who has a belief in something has faith in it; whether it be atheism, christianity, islam, etc.

[Hulud]

I really didnt want to post in these threads anymore, but since I have nothing else to do...



Many of the questions posted on IA are from guys/girls that arent into religion that much, so there level of thought/existence of the unseen hasnt hit that level yet. Like I can explain some things to you here, but everyone will be like wtf is this guy talking about, and some will be like true. Its almost where you have to start with basic beliefs and then let it soak in before you go more in depth, but even then if you dont want to belief you will not.

Most of the things that go on in your daily lives are like tests that God puts you threw(and always remember, when I write GOD it means the most powerful, unkown being on the world, not anything else. To me God has no siblings, nor has he given any of his powers to anyone)(Prophets are different and a different subject)

So back to the tests...if you follow the good path and in a personal way you pass these tests with the help of God then you will succeed in life. I can start listing examples, but it will be long..

For many religion isnt even somewhere to be or follow. Its a way to calm your mind and your spirit, that way you live a more peaceful life. But when you get into your religion where it starts calming you and gives you peace, then the other aspects of your religion fall into play automatically..thats how beautiful God made religion.

In Islam it say something similiar to this..if you a take a step towards God, he runs towards you. If you ask for forgiveness, he will forgive you.

You all know all this. I shouldnt even have to preach this. This is written in the Bible, Quran, Torah.

Im just talking to you guys that dont believe in religion..what harm is it going to do if you did? Really ask yourself...what will happen if I believe in God??

You know what your answer will be?? Nothing..aight then, why dont you try. Just try. I mean most people are afraid because they think they are so bad, that it scares them to turn towards God. Honestly, try it, and I bet it will feel scary at first, and then you will LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

Aight I could go on, but Im done here..
well you cant just go out and be like "ok tried and i found god"

i tried, found nothing

its like telling you to believe in santa, you tried as a kid (and prolly did for a while) but when you grew up and realized that it was not true, its not something you can just go try to find and voila (sp?) hes there

disclaimer: i was not referring to anyones god as santa it was just an analogy
(since i know someones gonna flip their shit over that)


This dude is a fucken dumbass, like I have always stated.
thats why i choose to ignore comments like that, theres no point in discussing anything with someone of that ignorance

[Hulud]

You are all obviously aquaintances.
no we are not

i have never met jaime or atif

ive met echo, shagwagen and baby j (very briefly)

[AtifSajid]

Your right Paul in the sense that you say that Islam believes this about Christians and vice versa..

but you gotta find facts man..you know my background, so I shouldnt even discuss this with you, i need others..cause you know whats up.

[GIXXERDK]

I dont want to read everyones posts but I'll tell you how I feel. Born and raised by Christian parents. Became a self proclaimed atheist, why? I wont get too into it, just the main points.

I feel that we as humans are not advanced enough in technology to know everything about our history or our bodies. A century later, our blood line will look back to today and say that we are stupid.

The bible is a BIG joke. So many errors and so many sections are missing, because they are banned. There are documents that say that accuse jesus of several things.

Virgin Mary? Bullshit, she had an affair.

[GIXXERDK]

This is a never ending debate.. Theres no point really lol

[BABY J]

I dont want to read everyones posts but I'll tell you how I feel. Born and raised by Christian parents. Became a self proclaimed atheist, why? I wont get too into it, just the main points.

I feel that we as humans are not advanced enough in technology to know everything about our history or our bodies. A century later, our blood line will look back to today and say that we are stupid.

The bible is a BIG joke. So many errors and so many sections are missing, because they are banned. There are documents that say that accuse jesus of several things.

Virgin Mary? Bullshit, she had an affair.

:hitit:

[{X}Echo419]

This dude is a fucken dumbass, like I have always stated.
the proof is in the proverbial pudding:

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

I didn't write this stuff :yes:

[C22H19N3O4]

We can never stay on topic. I assume Hulud (loves Yanni and John Tesh) wanted some personal stories pertaining to the turning point/defining moment/calling for current Atheists and/or devoted Christians?

[Hulud]

We can never stay on topic. I assume Hulud (loves Yanni and John Tesh) wanted some personal stories pertaining to the turning point/defining moment/calling for current Atheists and/or devoted Christians?
im glad someone atleast saw what i wanted in this thread

[AtifSajid]

This is a never ending debate.. Theres no point really lol

Exactly..

[cornercarver78]

why arent you religious?


ill answer first


im not religious because i honestly dont think there is a god. straight up, i jsut dont believe there is someone out there telling us what is right and wrong.

also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".


everyone else who doesnt believe, do share

I realy Don't think that Any of that has anything to do with the existance of god. Just because you don't think its right for a higher power to be in control of your destiny doesn't mean god isn't real. In the same light the safety and comfort found in the idea of a higher power isn't a logical reason to believe in god. There are many explanations from many different people to how we got here, all of them (whether religious or not) are overwhelming to me and it would take a great deal of faith to believe any of them. At the same time, we are here... so there is an explanation or truth to how we got here. Just because you don't know how doesn't mean you shouldn't explore all the possibilities. As for myself, I like to keep an open mind and believe that if I do, eventualy I will be able to find an answer that makes sense to me.

[Hulud]

I realy Don't think that Any of that has anything to do with the existance of god.
first i didnt ask for your take on my feelings

second, im glad its not your opinion

[cornercarver78]

I don't see why post offended you, but o.k. Just discussing :goodjob: