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Nemesis
11-30-2006, 08:36 AM
What is your take on it after reading this? It is a good and interesting read. Dont ask for Cliff notes or ill negative rep you, if you have ADD that bad hit Alt+F4.

Seattle Student Detained for Photography Assignment
Calls to the Homeland Security Department were not immediately returned.
SEATTLE (AP) - Ian Spiers had just hours to finish an assignment for his photography class. He was taking shots of a railroad bridge near the Ballard Locks when an officer with a German shepherd approached him, asked him what he was doing and requested some ID.

Later, he was questioned and photographed by a Homeland Security agent.

It was the second time in less than two months that Spiers had been questioned about taking pictures of a landmark that attracts hundreds of tourists a day, many of whom snap photos of the ships passing between Lake Union and Elliott Bay.

A growing number of photographers around the country have been similarly rousted in recent years as they've tried to take pictures of federal buildings and other major public works, said Donald Winslow, editor of the National Press Photographers Association's magazine.

"We've seen the constant erosion of our civil liberties amid this cry for homeland security by doing things that have an appearance of making us safe, but in reality it's a sham," Winslow said. "No one showed up at the World Trade Center and took photographs from nine different angles before they flew planes into it."

The morning of May 26, Spiers explained he was a photography student at a community college, showed a copy of his assignment, then asked the officer if he was legally obligated to show his ID.

The officer said no and walked away. But soon after, several armed officers approached him, including three from the Seattle Police Department and three from the federal Homeland Security Department.

"I was trying to be calm, but the truth was I was scared out of my mind," Spiers said.

This time, Spiers said, a Seattle police officer told him he had no choice but to show his ID. A Homeland Security agent who flashed his badge told him he had broken a law by taking pictures of a federal facility.

"We've never seen such a law," said Doug Honig, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union in Seattle.

Spiers said he complied, spent half an hour answering questions and let a Homeland Security agent photograph him - after being told he had no choice.

The ACLU has written the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which owns and runs the locks, asking for the agency's assurance that Spiers will not be arrested if he returns there.

Corps spokeswoman Patricia Graesser said her agency had no involvement in the incident and questioned an order Spiers said a homeland security agent gave him - that he could not return to the locks with his camera without getting permission in advance.

"Everyone - all members of the public - are welcome on the locks property, and photographs are allowed, and there's no need to get prior permission," she said.

Seattle police spokesman Sean Whitcomb said the department has a duty to respond to reports of suspicious activity.

Calls to the Homeland Security Department were not immediately returned.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Spiers kept his distance from the spot where he was questioned, and wore a button on his camera bag that said: "Annoying but harmless photography student. Do not bend." He made it in early April, after two police officers showed up at his door, saying they were responding to a report about a suspicious man taking pictures at the locks.

Spiers said he'd like to hear one of the officers who questioned him say if they hassled him because his mocha-colored skin and short black hair made him look like a terrorist.

"I'm trying to figure out how not to attract attention," said Spiers, 36. "So far the only thing I can think of is that I can never ever pick up a camera."

In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

And Brian Fitzgerald, the chief photographer at the Yakima Herald-Republic, said a uniformed security officer tried to prevent him from taking a picture of an immigration office, citing a "law," then calling it a "directive" that gave the officer the right to confiscate any film with pictures of a federal facility.

An officer in charge eventually let him take his photos, and he's since been told there's no reason he can't take them.

"It's frustrating mostly," Fitzgerald said. "I'm not outraged because I didn't get to the point where I didn't get my photos. It just reminds me again how much disinformation there is, even in these agencies that are supposed to know."

Mr_Mischif
11-30-2006, 08:41 AM
I'm moving to Canada soon.

Ran
11-30-2006, 08:43 AM
I'm moving to Canada soon.I'm headed to Japan. Keep in touch.

Jimmy B
11-30-2006, 08:49 AM
if he showed his ID int eh first place and wasnt acting like he was trying to hide something.. he wouldnt have had a problem!

i would be glad if someone did that to me.. (woulda shown ID though) they are trying to protect us from terrorist's trying to cause harm to the US people..

abide by the rules, and its simple!

Nemesis
11-30-2006, 08:53 AM
if he showed his ID int eh first place and wasnt acting like he was trying to hide something.. he wouldnt have had a problem!

i would be glad if someone did that to me.. (woulda shown ID though) they are trying to protect us from terrorist's trying to cause harm to the US people..

abide by the rules, and its simple!


Where are these rules outlined?

I was approached by Federal police officers near the Courthouse and I was on an adjacent street near by taking photos of a car. Wasnt being sneaky about it, nor trying to hide anything. The Fed took my camera looked it over, kept me for about 20 minutes, and even after showing my Military ID card, still gave me a hassle even though it was on a PUBLIC street.

So where do we draw the line? A 85 year old man got put in jail becuase he was taking photos of a building with an American flag. Yet there were no signs posted anywhere that any form of that activity was prohibited. Man, I guess they are trying to protect us from terrorists. :rolleyes: Guess there were photographers taking photos of the World Trade Trade center from 9 different angles before the planes flew into them? Seriously, where is the line drawn from violating liberties to protecting people.

Jimmy B
11-30-2006, 08:58 AM
9-11 is WHY they are suspicious of peopel taking pictures of govt buildings, or bigger buildings... they are jsut trying to look out for ya man..

R.Kelly
11-30-2006, 11:36 AM
it may be annoying to be questioned and stuff but as long as he wasnt beaten its all good

Nemesis
11-30-2006, 11:37 AM
it may be annoying to be questioned and stuff but as long as he wasnt beaten its all good


A lot of you all don't read the reports of cops smashing cameras, holding photographers in jail until they are questioned, and a bunch of other things that go way beyond what they should be doing, all in the name of what? Security? Yeah, that's like saying no cop is crooked and profiling doesnt happen. :rolleyes:

R.Kelly
11-30-2006, 11:40 AM
A lot of you all don't read the reports of cops smashing cameras, holding photographers in jail until they are questioned, and a bunch of other things that go way beyond what they should be doing, all in the name of what? Security? Yeah, that's like saying no cop is crooked and profiling doesnt happen. :rolleyes:

my point didnt get across, that getting pestered is against his rights and it is complete bullshit that they fuck with photographers, but im sure he was treated a whole lot better than some others that have been in his situation

TeeJay
11-30-2006, 11:41 AM
In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Jimmy B
11-30-2006, 01:04 PM
In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
but they were being taken for myspace!! so its al emo, i mean good!

Fast Shadow
11-30-2006, 01:14 PM
9-11 is WHY they are suspicious of peopel taking pictures of govt buildings, or bigger buildings... they are jsut trying to look out for ya man..

Shut up, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What kind of terrorist walks around with a huge fucking DSLR camera in the middle of the day taking pictures? Not only that, all you have to do is a Google image search to find as many pictures of any building you want.

imbosile
11-30-2006, 01:17 PM
wow, i didn't know stuff like that actually happened. that's a lot stricter than i realized

Stormhammer
11-30-2006, 01:36 PM
well, look at it this way, you harass little girls, so the police harass you, fair and square :D

down_shift
11-30-2006, 03:15 PM
abide by the rules, and its simple!
Exactly, we should all show unquestioning obedience to our government. That always works.

Fast Shadow
11-30-2006, 03:19 PM
Exactly, we should all show unquestioning obedience to our government. That always works.

yes! Ask the Jews how it worked out for them in Germany!

Nemesis
11-30-2006, 04:06 PM
lol

Kyle
11-30-2006, 04:08 PM
I am really surprised no one has asked for cliff notes.

But that was interesting.