BCS pt.2

[Hulud]

yea so the other thread died

this is the final week before the bowls are announced

and USC is #2 thats right FUCK MICHIGAN

[13Bracer]

i agree
USC FTMFW!!!!!!

[PhAtBoYMr2]

damnit so usc has played for a national title 4 years straight?

BS

[Hulud]

damnit so usc has played for a national title 4 years straight?

BS
bs?
why cause they are a better team?


4 years straight means dynasty :goodjob:

[13Bracer]

bs?
why cause they are a better team?


4 years straight means dynasty :goodjob:

yes it does! damn i just love the sound of that!!!

[{X}Echo419]

bs?
why cause they are a better team?


4 years straight means dynasty :goodjob:

and that is why teams/confrences like USC are affraid or don't want a PLAYOFF system. :2cents:

[ShooterMcGavin]

uh what? pac10 was a pretty fucking tough conference this yr.

[{X}Echo419]

uh what? pac10 was a pretty fucking tough conference this yr.

yeah, Cal. and Oregon St. woopie doo!

to many teams are gonna get screwed b/c of this BCS bullshit and others are getting clout that they don't deserve or earned(depending on how you see it) either they haven't played anybody(other than the knobs in their own confrence) or haven't been able to prove their worth by playing real contenders.
USC is going to play Ohio St. unless UCLA pulls 1 out of their ass(hey Texas Tech did it) meanwhile Boise St(not that I'm a fan) hasn't lost to anyone, Wisconson has 1 lose to a much better team than Oregon St. and the same goes for Flordia(as much as I Hate Flordia), and Lousiville let them prove something other than their better than W.Virgina...well S. Flordia Community College and tire sevice is to but so what.

give me 2 reasons why the BCS is better than a playoff sys?(any ninny can come up with 1) :yes:

[ShooterMcGavin]

yeah, Cal. and Oregon St. woopie doo!

to many teams are gonna get screwed b/c of this BCS bullshit and others are getting clout that they don't deserve or earned(depending on how you see it) either they haven't played anybody(other than the knobs in their own confrence) or haven't been able to prove their worth by playing real contenders.
USC is going to play Ohio St. unless UCLA pulls 1 out of their ass(hey Texas Tech did it) meanwhile Boise St(not that I'm a fan) hasn't lost to anyone, Wisconson has 1 lose to a much better team than Oregon St. and the same goes for Flordia(as much as I Hate Flordia), and Lousiville let them prove something other than their better than W.Virgina...well S. Flordia Community College and tire sevice is to but so what.

give me 2 reasons why the BCS is better than a playoff sys?(any ninny can come up with 1) :yes:

first off, it's oregon, not oregon state. secondly, more than just those 3 teams have shown flashes of brilliance this season in the pac10 (ucla, washington and washington state have all had their moments).

every yr, one team or another will get "screwed", but the important thing is to have the least amount of teams get screwed. with that said, the bcs is (unfortunately), the best thing for college football. there is NO PERFECT SYSTEM that can be used YEAR AFTER YEAR. based on what you're saying, every yr maybe we should let a different number of teams from the same conference have a shot at competing for the national championship? like maybe the big10 or sec has a great yr and has 3 teams all worthy of it, that shit just won't work and someone will always be pissed at the end of the day.

2 reasons why bcs is better than a playoff? well one, the obvious, is that the regular conf will no longer mean shit to anyone. two, i personally believe it's unfair to ask student athletes, especially around the holidays and finals time, to play 2 or 3 or however many more games to determine a national championship. as much as we love the sport, the ncaa reminds everyone constantly that college sports is NOT the pros, the kids are there to get an education first.

[soul]

yea so the other thread died

this is the final week before the bowls are announced

and USC is #2 thats right FUCK MICHIGAN
USC ahahaha, when they actually start playing teams worth a fucking damn then i will accept that there good, and have a dynasty.

[{X}Echo419]

first off, it's oregon, not oregon state. secondly, more than just those 3 teams have shown flashes of brilliance this season in the pac10 (ucla, washington and washington state have all had their moments).

every yr, one team or another will get "screwed", but the important thing is to have the least amount of teams get screwed. with that said, the bcs is (unfortunately), the best thing for college football. there is NO PERFECT SYSTEM that can be used YEAR AFTER YEAR. based on what you're saying, every yr maybe we should let a different number of teams from the same conference have a shot at competing for the national championship? like maybe the big10 or sec has a great yr and has 3 teams all worthy of it, that shit just won't work and someone will always be pissed at the end of the day.

2 reasons why bcs is better than a playoff? well one, the obvious, is that the regular conf will no longer mean shit to anyone. two, i personally believe it's unfair to ask student athletes, especially around the holidays and finals time, to play 2 or 3 or however many more games to determine a national championship. as much as we love the sport, the ncaa reminds everyone constantly that college sports is NOT the pros, the kids are there to get an education first.
the confrences won't matter? do they now?
www.bcs-sucks.com
"Despite losing its final game of the year and failing to win its conference, the BCS still leaves Michigan with the potential to play for a mythical national championship. So much for that argument about the BCS protecting the importance of regular season games."

ya know I've got a friend(yes, I have GT friends. although I would never Fully trust them :P )that has had classes with GT football players and he said, "I can't believe this dummy got into here b/c he can play ball and I had to bust my ass in class!" if you really believe people like Calvin Johnson are concerned about an education or missing classes(not like the Univ. wouldn't make an exception for them) and finals I can't help you. sure academics might mean something to the field hockey players or the water polo team. but the 6'6 350lbs Bubba Jones don't give 2 shits about his recretional managment degree :yes:

[ShooterMcGavin]

the confrences won't matter? do they now?
www.bcs-sucks.com
"Despite losing its final game of the year and failing to win its conference, the BCS still leaves Michigan with the potential to play for a mythical national championship. So much for that argument about the BCS protecting the importance of regular season games."

but look at the facts, the fact is, michigan will not be playing in the national championship, am i right or wrong? and you know what, i think the bcs actually worked this year. even if michigan DID go to the national championship to rematch against ohio state, are you honestly telling me you don't believe them to be AT LEAST on par with the 2nd best team in the nation (USC)? if so you must've either 1) not watched the osu/michigan game or 2) are just plain retarded.


ya know I've got a friend(yes, I have GT friends. although I would never Fully trust them :P )that has had classes with GT football players and he said, "I can't believe this dummy got into here b/c he can play ball and I had to bust my ass in class!" if you really believe people like Calvin Johnson are concerned about an education or missing classes(not like the Univ. wouldn't make an exception for them) and finals I can't help you. sure academics might mean something to the field hockey players or the water polo team. but the 6'6 350lbs Bubba Jones don't give 2 shits about his recretional managment degree :yes:
i know damn well a LOT of players get help, and a lot of them aren't there to get a degree. but are you trying to tell me now that THE MAJORITY of college athletes aren't there to get an education? i don't give a shit what bubba jones is there for, if he is truly in the top percentile of athletes that have a future in sports post-college, good for him, but the fact of the matter is most other athletes (football, basketball, baseball, volleybally, swimming, lacrosse, soccer, etc etc etc) are there to get an education.

[{X}Echo419]

but look at the facts, the fact is, michigan will not be playing in the national championship, am i right or wrong? and you know what, i think the bcs actually worked this year. even if michigan DID go to the national championship to rematch against ohio state, are you honestly telling me you don't believe them to be AT LEAST on par with the 2nd best team in the nation (USC)? if so you must've either 1) not watched the osu/michigan game or 2) are just plain retarded.
NO, Michigan had their shot and failed. what happens if UCLA wins and Michigan gets Ohio St. then Michigan wins? Michigan gets the National Title because they won their game on a certian day? fuck that! :gay:



i know damn well a LOT of players get help, and a lot of them aren't there to get a degree. but are you trying to tell me now that THE MAJORITY of college athletes aren't there to get an education? i don't give a shit what bubba jones is there for, if he is truly in the top percentile of athletes that have a future in sports post-college, good for him, but the fact of the matter is most other athletes (football, basketball, baseball, volleybally, swimming, lacrosse, soccer, etc etc etc) are there to get an education.

sure the "majority" of total college athletes but I doubt the football players feel the same way. do you think the players don't get a "pass" on missing classes when they have to go on the road? Hawaii.
my point is "all" these schools make "special" for their players that you and I would not get. wake up.

[Mike Lowrey]

Why are people afraid of a playoff system? The team that wins, Wins. The team that loses, can't go and complain that they were screwed out of the National Championship. Period.

Whether or not you THINK the BCS worked "THIS YEAR" doesn't mean shit. A system should work each and every year. Do you see problems with co-champions or contraversy in the NFL over who should be champion? NO.

The BCS is comprised of 2/3 opinions. There is the first problem. The last third is a computer average. There is the second problem.

Since when do "style points" matter? Does that mean since Ohio State only beat Michigan by 3 points, that they are not as good as they are touted? They won. Enough said. They were the better team on that day. Period.

Have a playoff system and all the BS, opinions, contraversy, co-champion goes away. Explain how that would be a bad thing.

[{X}Echo419]

Why are people afraid of a playoff system? The team that wins, Wins. The team that loses, can't go and complain that they were screwed out of the National Championship. Period.

Whether or not you THINK the BCS worked "THIS YEAR" doesn't mean shit. A system should work each and every year. Do you see problems with co-champions or contraversy in the NFL over who should be champion? NO.

The BCS is comprised of 2/3 opinions. There is the first problem. The last third is a computer average. There is the second problem.

Since when do "style points" matter? Does that mean since Ohio State only beat Michigan by 3 points, that they are not as good as they are touted? They won. Enough said. They were the better team on that day. Period.

Have a playoff system and all the BS, opinions, contraversy, co-champion goes away. Explain how that would be a bad thing.

kids would miss class :rolleyes: :lmfao:

[ShooterMcGavin]

i am getting sick and tired arguing/debating with someone as pigheaded stubborn as you are so whatever, since you're such a college football genius why don't you come up with the perfect way and plan to hold a playoff, hell you might even become a millionaire in the process. :goodjob: :rolleyes:

[ShooterMcGavin]

sure the "majority" of total college athletes but I doubt the football players feel the same way. do you think the players don't get a "pass" on missing classes when they have to go on the road? Hawaii.
my point is "all" these schools make "special" for their players that you and I would not get. wake up.

no shit, i already said that, maybe you ought to "wake up"?

[Mike Lowrey]

kids would miss class :rolleyes: :lmfao:

Why would they have to? You are assuming that the games would just be added on to the already 11-12 games they play now. You could easily play 10 games and a playoff and not "miss" school as you suggested.

NEXT.

[ShooterMcGavin]

it doesn't matter, even if a playoff system was instituted, the next big gripe would then be how the seedings are determined. i mean seriously, this yr it's a no brainer that michigan and usc should play to see who's the real #2 and get a shot at ohio state. but what about any other yr? ppl are going to bitch up a real storm about how the seedings aren't fair or how it's not any different than a conference game or homefield or :blah:

[{X}Echo419]

Why would they have to? You are assuming that the games would just be added on to the already 11-12 games they play now. You could easily play 10 games and a playoff and not "miss" school as you suggested.

NEXT.

I was being scarcastic. I'm on your side :yes:

[Mike Lowrey]

it doesn't matter, even if a playoff system was instituted, the next big gripe would then be how the seedings are determined. i mean seriously, this yr it's a no brainer that michigan and usc should play to see who's the real #2 and get a shot at ohio state. but what about any other yr? ppl are going to bitch up a real storm about how the seedings aren't fair or how it's not any different than a conference game or homefield or :blah:

1. Win your conference, go in the playoffs.
2. No homefields, use current bowl locations
3. Use the NFL system as a guideline for seedings


NEXT.

[ShooterMcGavin]

1. Win your conference, go in the playoffs.
lol, that right there shoots the system in the foot, are you saying teams such as wisconsin and the loser of the arkansas/uf game doesn't deserve to play in a playoff??? what's the point of it then if these good teams aren't given a chance?


2. No homefields, use current bowl locations
not sure how much the schools and fans will like going to certain locations like hawaii or idaho...


3. Use the NFL system as a guideline for seedings
not that cut and dry and will cause controversy if 2 teams from the same conference happen to be seeded together (just one ugly scenario)


NEXT.
if it were this easy it'd already be happening and u'd be on espn gamesday :goodjob:

[Mike Lowrey]

lol, that right there shoots the system in the foot, are you saying teams such as wisconsin and the loser of the arkansas/uf game doesn't deserve to play in a playoff??? what's the point of it then if these good teams aren't given a chance?

It depends on how many teams you put in the playoffs. You could do the winner of the conference or you could do the winner of the conference and the rest are determined by record.



not sure how much the schools and fans will like going to certain locations like hawaii or idaho...

This makes no sense, explain.



not that cut and dry and will cause controversy if 2 teams from the same conference happen to be seeded together (just one ugly scenario)

Why?



if it were this easy it'd already be happening and u'd be on espn gamesday :goodjob:

Not really. It is easier than it is made out to be. And, I am not trying to say I have the perfect system, but I am saying you have not come up with a good case not to change. :goodjob:

[{X}Echo419]

It depends on how many teams you put in the playoffs. You could do the winner of the conference or you could do the winner of the conference and the rest are determined by record.




This makes no sense, explain.




Why?




Not really. It is easier than it is made out to be. And, I am not trying to say I have the perfect system, but I am saying you have not come up with a good case not to change. :goodjob:

NEXT! :lmfao:
btw: pepole still go to these Bowl locations now so.....why would they stop?
NEXT! :tongue1:

[ShooterMcGavin]

This makes no sense, explain.
ok let's say for instance that uf and usc are to play in a playoff game, in hawaii, who do u think will have more fans in attendance? next example, say auburn and lsu are to play in a playoff game and they get sent to idaho to play there, how many fans u think will want to go there?


Why?
bc what if michigan and wisconsin gets put together in said playoff system and in the playoff game, wisconsin wins, same argument about the osu/michigan potential rematch arises once again.



Not really. It is easier than it is made out to be. And, I am not trying to say I have the perfect system, but I am saying you have not come up with a good case not to change. :goodjob:
it's far from easy even if u manage to work out the logistical and scheduling issues.

[ShooterMcGavin]

btw: pepole still go to these Bowl locations now so.....why would they stop?


think of it this way, say your team goes to a bowl game now, u don't mind shelling out money for tickets, travel, accomodations or whatever to go see them. what if your team goes to multiple "bowls" due to this new playoff system? think the same number of ppl will be going across the country to see all the games? :no: then how're you going to fill the seats in the stadium?

[Mike Lowrey]

ok let's say for instance that uf and usc are to play in a playoff game, in hawaii, who do u think will have more fans in attendance? next example, say auburn and lsu are to play in a playoff game and they get sent to idaho to play there, how many fans u think will want to go there?

and....



bc what if michigan and wisconsin gets put together in said playoff system and in the playoff game, wisconsin wins, same argument about the osu/michigan potential rematch arises once again.

No, because it is a playoff and they lost. There is no confusion there. You lose, your out. Period. That is the idea of a playoff. :goodjob:



it's far from easy even if u manage to work out the logistical and scheduling issues.

Never said it was easy. I said it was easier than it is tauted to be. The fact is there is a lot of political BS in there now and it would take a huge effort to change the current system.