CALLOUT- LT1UltraZ vs. Evolunchbox

[Evolunchbox]

I'm tired of the BuschUr comments and would like to run. Whatever way you want, dig, roll, whatever it's on. Win or lose it will be a lot of fun and should be interesting to say the least. No cybe-smack bullshit either! Let's just pick a time and place and run what'cha brung. That's it.

[SpeedMonkey]

oh shit... nick's back?

hell yeah..

*impatiently waits for LT1ultra's answer"

[LT1UltraZ]

ill run u from a roll :) How much money do you want to put up on it :)
i am sure people will side bet on this race :yes:

[GGPIS3]

i got 100 on the evo. someone on ur side wanna take me up on that?

[Psycho]

^I'll second that notion.

[Vteckidd]

ill add $100 to that

[jtownaccord]

Evo! Im not betting any money though.

[benwaballs]

evo ftw

[iloveboost]

If anyone decides to side bet on LT1UltraZ, I'll match more money on Evolunchbox.

[LETZ RUN]

ill bet 100 on the maro, just let me know where.

[Correction]

Same, I can go $200 on the maro. We'll work it out when we get to the spot.

People betting on a boosted 4 cylinder compared to a boosted v8 LOL.

[Evolunchbox]

It's not happening this weekend because I will enjoying the leftovers from Thanksgiving in PA. LT1 and I worked most of the logitics out already.

[Evolunchbox]

People betting on a boosted 4 cylinder compared to a boosted v8 LOL.

Look, I'm not a brain surgeon but that was a pretty broad comment to make. Considering there have been MANY boosted 4cyls. that tore up boosted V8's. It goes both ways right? You never know what you are getting yourself into until the end of the race. That's what makes this race so much damn fun!

[Fast Shadow]

Trying to explain something like that to Thacker is like trying to explain calculus to a retarded 3 year old. You're not going to make much progress.

[Correction]

Look, I'm not a brain surgeon but that was a pretty broad comment to make. Considering there have been MANY boosted 4cyls. that tore up boosted V8's. It goes both ways right? You never know what you are getting yourself into until the end of the race. That's what makes this race so much damn fun!

Actually, if you are running a set up similar to 2.3 evo. You are up shit creek.


But... since all your boys want to bet on you I guess I will be even more rich come christmas. Might have to buy me a fuel pump and up da shottttt.

[Correction]

Trying to explain something like that to Thacker is like trying to explain calculus to a retarded 3 year old. You're not going to make much progress.

And trying to explain to you why you are gay.... is damn near impossible.

I will just quote your live journal instead.

" Wednesday - September 17th, 2003 10:03 pm - Headhole i got my ears pierced.. both lobes 8 gauge and a 16 gauge helix. <3"

HAHAHa. FAGGOT.

[Correction]

Trying to explain something like that to Thacker is like trying to explain calculus to a retarded 3 year old. You're not going to make much progress.

More from your live journal.

" Monday - August 25th, 2003 01:42 pm - So I went on this date.. .. with this girl Saturday off of one of those online dating sites. Several of my friends have had good experiences with it, so I figured I'd give it a try. I started talking to this girl and we had pretty good chemistry both online as well as on the phone. She seemed pretty into me and I wanted to meet her, so we set up a date. I drove to her town (about 60mi from Atlanta) and we went to dinner and then out to the bars. We were killing time before going to a concert at 11. Right when we finished playing pool, out of nowhere she says she feels sick to her stomach and wants to go home. Right, aka you're having a bad time. So I say OK and take her home. End of date.
Today I send her a message on MSN asking if she "feels better", no response. So I wait a few hours and finally leave it at "Well it was nice meeting you and I did enjoy our conversations, bye." That's so fucking rude, though. Ok, so you weren't 'feeling' the date. Fine, at least have the courtesy to finish it out. Hell, we'd even previously joked about if we didn't get along that at least we'd have a good evening and some laughs. What a bitch.

On the bright side, I have something planned with someone local for tonight. I can only hope she's not a fucking lunatic, too.
"

HAHAHA. HAHAHAHA. HAHAHA.

http://flagrantfoul.livejournal.com/

There you go, nice live journal ya got there. PROVES THE FAGDOM.

[GGPIS3]

And trying to explain to you why you are gay.... is damn near impossible.

I will just quote your live journal instead.

" Wednesday - September 17th, 2003 10:03 pm - Headhole i got my ears pierced.. both lobes 8 gauge and a 16 gauge helix. <3"

HAHAHa. FAGGOT.



its better to be different... than to be an ignorant and naive. but you're also blind and deaf.. blind because you can't see how stupid you look and deaf because no matter how many times people tell you the same thing over and over again... you just don't hear it. its just sad.. i guess some dogs will never learn..

[Correction]

its better to be different... than to be an ignorant and naive. but you're also blind and deaf.. blind because you can't see how stupid you look and deaf because no matter how many times people tell you the same thing over and over again... you just don't hear it. its just sad.. i guess some dogs will never learn..

I AM CALLING YOU OUT. FROM A DIG THIS SUNDAY. IF YOU BACK DOWN YOUR A BITCHHHHH

[Correction]

its better to be different... than to be an ignorant and naive. but you're also blind and deaf.. blind because you can't see how stupid you look and deaf because no matter how many times people tell you the same thing over and over again... you just don't hear it. its just sad.. i guess some dogs will never learn..

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=529201&Mytoken=20050812180846


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Asian.

[GGPIS3]

I AM CALLING YOU OUT. FROM A DIG THIS SUNDAY. IF YOU BACK DOWN YOUR A BITCHHHHH


ok.. its on... me and you. 100 yard dash. :screwy:

[Vteckidd]

Thacker you drive, an ill put $500 on GGPIS3s car FROM A ROLL

[Correction]

ok.. its on... me and you. 100 yard dash. :screwy:

Haha. You are 30 with a riced out slow car.

Suicide is still an option. Do it before its too late.

[Correction]

Thacker you drive, an ill put $500 on GGPIS3s car FROM A ROLL

LOL. YOU BEST MAN THE FUCK UP WHEN THIS BET COMES TO PLAY BECAUSE I AM ACCEPTING IT. I shift better than 99% of the people on here. My "driver" would be the 1% better. So you're FUCKED. :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

i dont fuck around with money, i have plenty

[GGPIS3]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=529201&Mytoken=20050812180846


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Asian.


yes i am asian. good observation.




so what are you trying to say? being a overweight white male is better than being asian?


im not going to argue with ignorance....

[Evolunchbox]

This thread was created for a callout. Not for you to come on here and bash people, and the other way around.
Cyber-smack is cheap. Just fucking race and get it over with! I'm so FUCKING sick of readig bullshit like this. Create a thread title, CALLOUT Cyber-smack vs. Cyber-smack and post there. Don't litter my thread with trash. The callout is finished anyway. We have talked and will be racing soon. This thread needs removed because I don't want to be associated with this type of childish waste of time cyber-smacking bullshit. Just race. What's so hard about that. End rant.

[iloveboost]

Thacker accepting a race AND driving the car?

[GGPIS3]

Haha. You are 30 with a riced out slow car.

Suicide is still an option. Do it before its too late.


haha funny. u know hbo comedy is looking for new talent.. you should go take a look. :rolleyes:

better to be 30 with a riced out slow car than be YOU.

[Vteckidd]

RIced out car is a 450whp Lexus HAHAHAHAHHA

Lexus > Chevy

thackers just jealous cause he cant afford anything more than a $8000 car

[Evolunchbox]

Actually, if you are running a set up similar to 2.3 evo. You are up shit creek.


But... since all your boys want to bet on you I guess I will be even more rich come christmas. Might have to buy me a fuel pump and up da shottttt.

I think you need to worry less about my race and more about all the races and bullshit you got yourself into...:yes:

[iloveboost]

I tried to call Thacker out in my slow, little, 2600lb of fury, fwd, econobox Honda. [shamless plug] It's for sale for anyone that's interested. See sig for details. [/shameless plug]

Good luck on the race, Evolunchbox. Not that you'll need it.

[GGPIS3]

I tried to call Thacker out in my slow, little, 2600lb of fury, fwd, econobox Honda. [shamless plug] It's for sale for anyone that's interested. See sig for details. [/shameless plug]

Good luck on the race, Evolunchbox. Not that you'll need it.


time to build the IS????

[iloveboost]

time to build the IS????

Not quite. Despite my best efforts, the wife won't let me touch the car.

I pick up the new car in a couple of weeks.

[SpeedMonkey]

i've never seen anyone ride a cock like thacker rides LT1ultraZ... his gf must hate you thacker.. lol.

Thacker.. you have plenty of call outs, you scare no one with your stupid threats, run your car or shut the fuck up its quite simple..

or you can just grab your boys, call out the boys from here if there is another problem that does not include racing, and we can calmly talk about it in a dark discreet parking lot :D

[Psycho]

LOL. YOU BEST MAN THE FUCK UP WHEN THIS BET COMES TO PLAY BECAUSE I AM ACCEPTING IT. I shift better than 99% of the people on here. My "driver" would be the 1% better. So you're FUCKED. :goodjob:
Wow, the back-woods retard knows how to shift. :goodjob:
If I remember correctly, your driver sucessfully transformed your car into a tree seeking missile...

[Tank]

Not quite. Despite my best efforts, the wife won't let me touch the car.

I pick up the new car in a couple of weeks.
i got a full na-t kit if yoru interested ..............and i hope someone records and posts vid of this run

[SL33P3R]

Not quite. Despite my best efforts, the wife won't let me touch the car.

I pick up the new car in a couple of weeks.




i got a full na-t kit if yoru interested ..............and i hope someone records and posts vid of this run



:thinking: :???:

[distortion69]

How about evolunchbox vs init2winit? I have money on that.. even being set out a few cars.

peace,
Josh

[distortion69]

"Evolunchbox -------- 10.880 @ 135.66mph"

If that's what you run, I'd bet on Marcin ;)

Peace,
Josh

[Psycho]

LOL. YOU BEST MAN THE FUCK UP WHEN THIS BET COMES TO PLAY BECAUSE I AM ACCEPTING IT.
Lets just hope that all the JB Weld you used to piece your car back together holds up.

[Evolunchbox]

"Evolunchbox -------- 10.880 @ 135.66mph"

If that's what you run, I'd bet on Marcin ;)

Peace,
Josh

That was my shake down pass at the track with the new set-up. I don't consider that being too bad for the first time out:???: We'll just have to wait and see what happens... Should be a fun race. There is enough speculation for it to go either way...

[SpeedMonkey]

"Evolunchbox -------- 10.880 @ 135.66mph"

If that's what you run, I'd bet on Marcin ;)

Peace,
Josh

why dont you cock riders get marcin's pussy ass to accept lightspeed's call out then?

better yet, get that faggot thacker to do more running with his car than his mouth to get things started.

[distortion69]

That's definately not a bad shakedown...

This will be entertaining.. make sure to get a vid.

Peace,
Josh

[SpeedMonkey]

That's definately not a bad shakedown...

This will be entertaining.. make sure to get a vid.

Peace,
Josh

dont ignore my comment.. reply

[distortion69]

Nobody answered init2winit's whole post of calling folks out. You don't hear me bringing that up every 20 minutes, do you?

Thacker's car is sitting in my garage, and it's not ready.. he still has to plumb the direct port and install the 1 gallon fuel cell.

Peace,
Josh

[distortion69]

v[]onkey']dont ignore my comment.. reply

I did.. you replied after evolunchbox. I can't write multiple posts at the same time.. I'm just not as talented as you.

[LT1UltraZ]

v[]onkey']why dont you cock riders get marcin's pussy ass to accept lightspeed's call out then?

better yet, get that faggot thacker to do more running with his car than his mouth to get things started.

i already accpted his call out ..i have not been up north since i raced slowhawk...he wants to run so damn bad, you are welcome to come on down. :yes:

[1insaneR]

this thread is a fuckin joke.

[fight club]

wow. we really need to screen the domestic owners before we let them on here. we should have a white trash detector. it could go:
1. do you fuck your sister?
2. is the v8 engine best?
3. does def leppard suck?
if they answer yes, yes, and no, we do not allow them to join.

stop the cock riding and race dammit.

[WINDSOR]

haha its funny when everyone talks about money and betting like its nothing but once the racing starts everyone has problems scraping up $50 :lmao:

Am i the only one that thinks its kind of silly to race for $$ from a roll? too many variables vs racing from a fixed point A to B as in a dig race?

as far as the 2 cars go they seem evenly matched though it depends on what the Evo comes out on as far as boost..pump vs race/meth and what tires? High hp RWD better have some badass tires to hook on cold roads even from a roll though marcins car seems to hook decent.

I say just run for fun and shake hands later and avoid all the drama.

[Psycho]

wow. we really need to screen the domestic owners before we let them on here. we should have a white trash detector. it could go:
1. do you fuck your sister?
2. is the v8 engine best?
3. does def leppard suck?
if they answer yes, yes, and no, we do not allow them to join.

stop the cock riding and race dammit.
Lynrd Skynrd!!

[Evolunchbox]

haha its funny when everyone talks about money and betting like its nothing but once the racing starts everyone has problems scraping up $50 :lmao:

Am i the only one that thinks its kind of silly to race for $$ from a roll? too many variables vs racing from a fixed point A to B as in a dig race?

as far as the 2 cars go they seem evenly matched though it depends on what the Evo comes out on as far as boost..pump vs race/meth and what tires? High hp RWD better have some badass tires to hook on cold roads even from a roll though marcins car seems to hook decent.

I say just run for fun and shake hands later and avoid all the drama.

I have nothing to hide and I couldn't agree more with your post Windsor. Especially the part about the about the drama.
I will be on my big ass 18X9.5 Volks wrapped in Advan Neovas, running pump/meth or race (depends if it gets here in time), and running A LOT of boost. ;)

[OHYOUKNOW]

Am i the only one that thinks its kind of silly to race for $$ from a roll? too many variables vs racing from a fixed point A to B as in a dig race?

.

nope i agree totaly but people get in where they fit in :goodjob:

[WINDSOR]

I have nothing to hide and I couldn't agree more with your post Windsor. Especially the part about the about the drama.
I will be on my big ass 18X9.5 Volks wrapped in Advan Neovas, running pump/meth or race (depends if it gets here in time), and running A LOT of boost. ;)


yeah,not familar with those tires. Are they pretty sticky? Also i'm down for some fun runs as well with my car against your Evo. I got a few bugs to work out and need to wait for my higher rate spring for my wastegate to get here so i can run higher boost.

[SpeedMonkey]

most domestic guys bring alot of drama.

IE: Crafty.. sorry man but you did, Thacker, LT1ultraz, and several others i cant think of

distortion, init2winit does digs.. your boy LT1 say's he'll do rolls for $$, well.. so will lightspeed. and apparently marcin says he already accepted.. well, lightspeed told me he hadn't said anything back yet.. who knows.

thacker is just an idiot kid, who thinks just cause he's tall and overweight he scares people.. hey man, im tall and overweight as well.. when i was in 8th grade i thought i was scary.. but hey man that was in the 8th grade, your redneck chin hair patch and your fat arms arent going to scare anyone, i figured you'd learn to watch how you go about things when nyteryder told you to shut your cock hole in person and let shit go.. well you apparently havent, it just sucks that you dont take advice and its going to have to be the hard way for you.

i

[Fast Shadow]

yeah,not familar with those tires. Are they pretty sticky? Also i'm down for some fun runs as well with my car against your Evo. I got a few bugs to work out and need to wait for my higher rate spring for my wastegate to get here so i can run higher boost.

they're grippier than most regular street tires but not as grippy as say pilot sport cups or some other DOT legal race tires

[distortion69]

I don't know how things work in your world.. but I don't own Marcin or Thacker's car.. I can't make them race anybody. In fact, I've only met marcin like once or twice..

Thing is.. if a car that comes on here has the ability to beat another car.. ie. if x car traps 140, and the other traps 130.. I'll likely bet on 140. Unfortunately marcin has an extremely mild and heavy car.. it doesn't run 7's 8's or 9's like many forced induction v8's. I suppose it could probably run 9's if it hooked, but he doesn't seem to care about hooking.

Not all domestic guys bring drama.. Just thacker ;)

The fact is.. v8 lovers like v8's.. because it's 2 4 cylinders put together in a v..

It's like this.. you can have 1 naked chick, sitting next to you, wanting to get to it.

Or you can have 2 naked chicks, sitting next to you, wanting to get to it.

I guess my answer is obvious.. 2 chicks at the same time man.. I always wanted to do that.

So sure.. an evo can be fast.. or a supra.. or whatever.. but the fact of the matter is.. you build a 1000-1100hp big block drag motor, and you can run 8's on motor in a 3000lb car on motor no prob. Several big blocks from shafiroff come with a 2 year unlimited milage warranty.. makes for a pretty reliable 8 sec car.. a 9" w/ a th400 or powerglide.. means you can get hundreds of 8 sec passes consistantly.

You build a forced induction v8.. and you can run less boost, make more power on pump gas, spool the turbo faster, and overall things are just much easier.

Doesn't mean we are "rednecks".. Want to fuck our sister.. and for that matter.. I don't really listen to much def leopard.. lol. Altho, POUR SOME SUGARRR ON MEEE.. owns.. But I only really listen to it making fun of it.. sorta like whitesnake.. ;)

I think I can speak for me and marcin and the rest of the domestic guys when I say we just want to see some good races..

and this evo vs marcin's car sounds like some entertainment..

Peace,
Josh

[slowhawk01]

If the race happens I would like to side bet with someone. I got my money on the camaro. i got $200.00 on the maro anyone want to match me and take the EVO??? Will???? Lightspeed???? I have the money to bet and it doesn't involve the cars drivers just a freindly side bet. Marcin Pm me where and when its going down and I will be there. I'll even bring a T/A we can make some runs with:goodjob:

[slowhawk01]

The fact is.. v8 lovers like v8's.. because it's 2 4 cylinders put together in a v..

It's like this.. you can have 1 naked chick, sitting next to you, wanting to get to it.

Or you can have 2 naked chicks, sitting next to you, wanting to get to it.

I guess my answer is obvious.. 2 chicks at the same time man.. I always wanted to do that.

You can keep your V8 I will just take the 2 chicks at the same timehttp://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/idb.gif http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/boobies.gif





Doesn't mean we are "rednecks".. Want to fuck our sister.. and for that matter.. I don't really listen to much def leopard.. lol. Altho, POUR SOME SUGARRR ON MEEE.. owns.. But I only really listen to it making fun of it.. sorta like whitesnake.. http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I think I can speak for me and marcin and the rest of the domestic guys when I say we just want to see some good races..


Very true statement^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[jackdaripper]

Thacker you drive, an ill put $500 on GGPIS3s car FROM A ROLL
How bout if I drve? I will bet 1k if I can drive the car. A 40-130 roll.

[Lankhoss]

Well, a V8 isn't really like 2 4 cylinders put together. What are some of the biggest 4 cylinders out there.....2.4L? One of the SMALLEST v8's is the Ford 281, which is 4.6L. That's twice the size of the "big" Evo engine.

An LS1 has 5.7L of displacement, and the new LS2's have 6.0L. Also, a LOT of GM guys are buying 408ci blocks. V8's have massive displacement, higher than any other engine out there. (ok, so the Viper engine has most beat, but there are some v8's with higher displacement than 8.3L). High displacement = high potential. My friend has a built 427 with TT's on it, and makes 780rwhp at only 12psi. Another great thing about V8's is they have ridiculous torque. So even if they aren't the fastest, they're really fun to drive around ;-)

[Init2winit]

Well, a V8 isn't really like 2 4 cylinders put together. What are some of the biggest 4 cylinders out there.....2.4L? One of the SMALLEST v8's is the Ford 281, which is 4.6L. That's twice the size of the "big" Evo engine.

An LS1 has 5.7L of displacement, and the new LS2's have 6.0L. Also, a LOT of GM guys are buying 408ci blocks. V8's have massive displacement, higher than any other engine out there. (ok, so the Viper engine has most beat, but there are some v8's with higher displacement than 8.3L). High displacement = high potential. My friend has a built 427 with TT's on it, and makes 780rwhp at only 12psi. Another great thing about V8's is they have ridiculous torque. So even if they aren't the fastest, they're really fun to drive around ;-)Generally speaking, you're correct. I don't want to get too technical, due to the fact that most here can't comprehend, but there is a bit more to an engine aside from displacement. There are multiple factors.....like, bore size, rod length, stroke, etc. Different combinations are going to have different outcomes. Basically, when you are building an engine, you ultimately decide what you are wanting to do with it, and choose accordingly. I think there is just a bigger market for the v8 platform, therefore, you have more options to make multiple combinations.

[distortion69]

I wasn't really trying to get all technical with my post.. but simply state that because I like 2 of their motors put together, I am not white trash.

I agree.. there are v8's the size of 2 4 cylinders put together.. 283's, 289's, northstars, mod motors. But they all run different rod/stroke ratio's, bores, valvetrains.. Just as a 11L mountain motor is still 2 banks of 4 cylinders.. it's still 2 sets of 4 cylinders in a v configuration :)

I definately have researched alot about the things that make a motor.. I prefer a short stroke, big bored motor.. especially in an ls1 application to unshroud the valve and get some more headflow out..

But.. you see it in the engine masters all the time.. stroker motors winning.. making the most avg power.. so I guess it just all depends on what you want.

But.. none of that changes the fact that in general displacement is king. I'm the type of person who always likes more.. more displacement.. more power.. whatever the case may be.

I, however, would not likely be considered white trash.. at least IMO.. and just because I like the idea of being able to run 7's in a streetable car because you have 700 cubic inches more than running 50lbs of boost, nitrous, and nearly grenading a motor.. does not mean I sleep with my sister ;) Shoot.. if it were up to me I'd have a unlimited mile 2 year warranty shafiroff engine with a powerglide and a 9" or dana rearend.. one reliable 8 second car.. that i can likely makes hundreds of 8 second passes in with only minor issues ;)

Later,
Josh

[Lankhoss]

Generally speaking, you're correct. I don't want to get too technical, due to the fact that most here can't comprehend, but there is a bit more to an engine aside from displacement. There are multiple factors.....like, bore size, rod length, stroke, etc. Different combinations are going to have different outcomes. Basically, when you are building an engine, you ultimately decide what you are wanting to do with it, and choose accordingly. I think there is just a bigger market for the v8 platform, therefore, you have more options to make multiple combinations.

The point I was trying to make, is that V8's are "unique" in that out of all the different motors out there, the V8 seems to get the highest displacement per cylinder. V6's are pretty close, but even then the 4.3L (one of the biggest I can think of off the top of my head) was only equal in cylinder displacement to a 350 (346). And a 5.7L v8 is about medium size, it's not really that huge.

[slowhawk01]

V8's always make good power, but not for there displacement. All RICERS ever say when they lose is well my car makes more power per cubic inch than yours does. EVERYONE in the world can contest to this that if you have twice the cylinders than you will have twice the chances and problems as a 4cylinder. Another words its easy to make a 4cylinder that will stay together under the power load. But there are a million more different variables when there are twice the cylinders.

[fight club]

im gonna throw out some opinion here. alot of people love v8s. majority of them state their reasons of you can make a safe street 8 sec car etc. thats good and im glad you injoy it. but what yall fail to see is that most dont daily drive an 8 sec car. most often than not you cant road track that car, you cant drive in the mountains etc.
now take a 4 cyl. you can make the same power, but yes, with more work. nitrious, alot of boost, etc. but you can still make an 8 second car. but that same car can also road race, can be driven daily, can be taken to the mountains. what most dont see is there is more difference between an import and a domestic than just cubic inches etc. the suspension, the weight, and the overall point of the car is different.

in summary.
v8- drag car
4- anything you want.

ps- i know theres exceptions to this so please dont try and be an ass and point out stupid shit like the corvette lamans car etc, because yea, dont.

[StupidBikerBoy]

There is no replacement for displacement, that is very true.


But anything can be made fast and the one true thing that matters is how much time and money you want to put into it.

Don't forget to get vids!

[Incontt]

with all the options out there...you see what GM chose for the zo6...is there a better all around car for curves/drag? i dont think so. hp/lb is what wins races not hp/liter. Thats why i get beatdown at the track all the time :)

[Evolunchbox]

I like all cars. I just happen to own an Evo and have a slight additction to speed and HP. I also own a V8 S4 that some day will see TT's and I'm planning on doing a V8 build within the next year. This race isn't a 4cyl. vs. V8 for me; I just want to race! I don't care if I was racing a 3cyl. Fiat. or 5cly. Volvo. It's just plain old racing, may the best driver win.
I'm actually excited to see some of these domestics. Hopefully I can get some idea's for the up coming build maybe not...
I'm done posting in this thread, I hope everyone has a safe and happy thanksgiving!

Regards,
Nick

[HiPSI]

im gonna throw out some opinion here. alot of people love v8s. majority of them state their reasons of you can make a safe street 8 sec car etc. thats good and im glad you injoy it. but what yall fail to see is that most dont daily drive an 8 sec car. most often than not you cant road track that car, you cant drive in the mountains etc.
now take a 4 cyl. you can make the same power, but yes, with more work. nitrious, alot of boost, etc. but you can still make an 8 second car. but that same car can also road race, can be driven daily, can be taken to the mountains. what most dont see is there is more difference between an import and a domestic than just cubic inches etc. the suspension, the weight, and the overall point of the car is different.

in summary.
v8- drag car
4- anything you want.



lol, yeah make the same power as the 8 sec V8 car with your 4cyl and show me how great it's street manners are, how reliable it is, or try roadracing in it.

[LETZ RUN]

lol, yeah make the same power as the 8 sec V8 car with your 4cyl and show me how great it's street manners are, how reliable it is, or try roadracing in it.

I was thinking the same thing, lol.


I would like to see some examples of the 4cyl 8 sec, daily driver, road track cars.

[WINDSOR]

im gonna throw out some opinion here. alot of people love v8s. majority of them state their reasons of you can make a safe street 8 sec car etc. thats good and im glad you injoy it. but what yall fail to see is that most dont daily drive an 8 sec car. most often than not you cant road track that car, you cant drive in the mountains etc.
now take a 4 cyl. you can make the same power, but yes, with more work. nitrious, alot of boost, etc. but you can still make an 8 second car. but that same car can also road race, can be driven daily, can be taken to the mountains. what most dont see is there is more difference between an import and a domestic than just cubic inches etc. the suspension, the weight, and the overall point of the car is different.

in summary.
v8- drag car
4- anything you want.

ps- i know theres exceptions to this so please dont try and be an ass and point out stupid shit like the corvette lamans car etc, because yea, dont.

show me any 8 second 1/4 mile 4 cylinder car that can really be driven daily and can be roadraced. Nobody roadraces mega hp cars unless they are race cars. In the end there is no replacement for displacement. Boost for boost the v8 will always be faster and make more power.

[Tank]

if i can have a second of you guys time, was it decided this race would happen, :yes: i believe yes :yes: , and didnt the gentleman who made this thread ask for the nonsense comments to be held back, :yes: i believe so :yes: .

So i was gonna ask again would you to either..............

A. take it to pm's
B. call each other and talk about it
C. make a thread in the off-topic or whoreslounge for your conversation


it doesnt pertain to the call-out and it definitly doesnt pertain to any kills of the sort


Thanks for your time

Drew

[lightspeed]

v[]onkey']so will lightspeed. and apparently marcin says he already accepted.. well, lightspeed told me he hadn't said anything back yet.. who knows.i
OK, so to clarify what I said... I said that I was tired of waiting for Marcin to come race. I didnt say he never got back to me. He supposedly accepted, but then it never materialized (even though he said he couldnt come up to run me, but he would come up to race 2.3evo :thinking: )

If the race happens I would like to side bet with someone. I got my money on the camaro. i got $200.00 on the maro anyone want to match me and take the EVO??? Will???? Lightspeed????
I think a more likely bet is that the race doesnt happen, given my past experiences with call-outs on here. If it does happen and you are out, we can talk about it then.

show me any 8 second 1/4 mile 4 cylinder car that can really be driven daily and can be roadraced. Nobody roadraces mega hp cars unless they are race cars. In the end there is no replacement for displacement. Boost for boost the v8 will always be faster and make more power.
Oh come on... How many 8 sec 1/4 mile cars are going to be roadracing anyway? The suspension and tires required to go 8's are not going to lend themselves to being a good roadracing setup anyway.
Have you ever heard of Formula 1? Grand Prix? Howabout IMSA? GTU classes? I think its realistic to argue that small dispacement (N/A and turbo) cars are the most successful road racing cars ever.
And if you or distortion think a N/A 1000 HP bigblock is going to be any more reliable or streetable than a 1000 whp properly built turbo inline-6, you are mistaken. With a mild cam and a properly setup turbo, you can make all the power you can ever need. Even a big block N/A motor with 1000 whp is going to be heavily cammed, high-compression and/or running a rediculous shot of nitrous.
HP boils down to airflow in and out of an engine. If you can flow enough air through an efficient head on a small motor with a huge turbo, and you can turn the RPM to support it, you can make rediculous power. If you gear your car so that you can use this RPM, there is no need for "low end torque" or HP.
Yes, there ultimately is a physical limit to how much air you can stuff into a small cylinder and get out of it through the smaller valve openings, so larger displacement engines will ultimately make more power. But with modern technology, there is no usable "limit" to how much power you can make with a small dispalcement engine.

[Fast Shadow]

I don't know of any road racing cars that are capable of 8 second times. The closest thing I can think of would be the insane-o Suzuki Escudo PPE. Formula 1 cars are 9 second 1/4 mile capable. Same for the LMP1 class Le Mans cars. These are all lightweight racecars that cost millions of dollars. I know of absolutely 0 production based road race cars that could run an 8 second 1/4 mile time.



And if you or distortion think a N/A 1000 HP bigblock is going to be any more reliable or streetable than a 1000 whp properly built turbo inline-6


A stock C6 Z06 makes over 350ft-lb of torque from 2000rpm all the way to 7000rpm. There's no 4 or 6 cyl that can approach that low end. The mechanics of turbocharging just won't allow for it. The bigger the engine the less stress on it is required to make and sustain a lot of power over a long period of time. The tradeoffs are weight and size. A 600 cube big block will make 500hp all day long on low octane gas and run forever. But it will be big and heavy. Using exotic components like titanium will lighten it up (and drive the cost up) but it'll still be big.

[lightspeed]

A stock C6 Z06 makes over 350ft-lb of torque from 2000rpm all the way to 7000rpm. There's no 4 or 6 cyl that can approach that low end.
Who cares though? That has nothing to do with the point here. I dont know about yours, but my car has a cool thing in-between the seats called a shifter...and it allows me to select a gear that puts me in a higher RPM range for when I need boost response and power. There are plenty of turbo 6's out there making 600 whp on pump gas.
I agree its more "convenient" to make low-end torque, and its easier to drive, but its not necessarily "better" if the car is setup right.

[Fast Shadow]

How much open track experience do you have? (not being a smartass, seriously asking)

[Maniaç]

I got 100 on Nick

[SpeedMonkey]

it doesnt even matter, LT1 wants a roll race for money, lightspeed agreed to give him one and SUPPOSEDLY LT1 accepted... well wtf??

i got $100 on the monkey on that race.
and i'll put another $100 on nick on evolunchbox vs LT1

so.. nick's not here yet... well guys.. lightspeed is ready to go.. where you at LT1ultra?... do you need more time? lol

[Fast Shadow]

lt1 is too busy trying to call out other cars to race the ones already lined up? :thinking:

[lightspeed]

How much open track experience do you have? (not being a smartass, seriously asking)
Ive never been to a roadcourse with a car. Ive run several autocrosses. Ive also been to the dragstrip countless times.
Ive also been to roadrace school, and I go to the track with my motorcycle though.
Once again, what difference does that make? I can see youre going to try to gear-up for some more irrelevant comments...
The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there...do you think they need "more power" on the street? No.
I guess by your philosophy, F1 should switch over to big blocks LOL Yeah, because they dont have much low-end torque.
Dont confound the arguement. Yes, I agree and average person with an average car could probably be faster most of the time with more displacement, if all else was the same. Im not talking about average people.
I guess its all irrelevant...you build what you need to build to be comfortable. Thats why we have different types of setups : :goodjob:

[HiPSI]

i really think you're mistaking "street legal" for "daily driven".... but this whole thread is well beyond being relevant anymore.

[fight club]

http://www.crawfordperformance.com/gallery/video/967.wmv

daily driven. and can still and has been road coursed.

[LT1UltraZ]

v[]onkey']it doesnt even matter, LT1 wants a roll race for money, lightspeed agreed to give him one and SUPPOSEDLY LT1 accepted... well wtf??

i got $100 on the monkey on that race.
and i'll put another $100 on nick on evolunchbox vs LT1

so.. nick's not here yet... well guys.. lightspeed is ready to go.. where you at LT1ultra?... do you need more time? lol

lol...i am goin to race lightspeed for fun..i know whats doen this his supra, and if he comes out on race gas then i might as well give him the money....if he wants to run me on pump, then ill bet money....btw ill be on pump gas myself :)

as far as you...please quit tryin to line up races for people....why dont u set up some races with our own car instead of runing your cocksucker about other people's cars?

[LT1UltraZ]

Ive never been to a roadcourse with a car. Ive run several autocrosses. Ive also been to the dragstrip countless times.
Ive also been to roadrace school, and I go to the track with my motorcycle though.
Once again, what difference does that make? I can see youre going to try to gear-up for some more irrelevant comments...
The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there...do you think they need "more power" on the street? No.
I guess by your philosophy, F1 should switch over to big blocks LOL Yeah, because they dont have much low-end torque.
Dont confound the arguement. Yes, I agree and average person with an average car could probably be faster most of the time with more displacement, if all else was the same. Im not talking about average people.
I guess its all irrelevant...you build what you need to build to be comfortable. Thats why we have different types of setups : :goodjob:
id like to see a proof for a 1500 daily driven supra...i am guessing it is slower than a 4 cylinder camry around town and runs on C16...i would hardly called that a daily driver lol........most FI v8 make around 400rwhp NA so we are not sacrificing any drivability, unlike import 4 and 6 cylinders…Btw whats the highest hp supra on straight 93 pump gas……I’m guessing not much over 600rwhp

[distortion69]

"The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there..."

Spraying your supra on the dyno and blowing it up in one or two dyno's to get 1600rwhp doesn't not count as a 1600rwhp daily driver ;) Because that's exactly what Marko did.

And most people don't race their 1600rwhp car on the street.. they drive it for bragging rights.. Let's be honest.. if 1500rwhp was enough.. 500 was enough.. and for that matter 300 was enough.


It's simple.. 2 formula motors linked together would make more power than 1 ;) It's more technical than that of course.. but that's still the gist of the issue. You can't even too much of a good thing.. that's my opinion.

Not to say that I wouldn't build a 4 cylinder.. if I had a 4cylinder car and wanted to go just a little faster.. I would definately beef it up.. but the idea is that we aren't rednecks because we like more displacement.. and that's been brought up a few times.

Peace,
Josh

[lightspeed]

id like to see a proof for a 1500 daily driven supra...i am guessing it is slower than a 4 cylinder camry around town and runs on C16...i would hardly called that a daily driver lol........most FI v8 make around 400rwhp NA so we are not sacrificing any drivability, unlike import 4 and 6 cylinders…Btw whats the highest hp supra on straight 93 pump gas……I’m guessing not much over 600rwhp
Marko and Ryan Woon come to mind immediately. Both of them drive their cars hundreds of miles for events and drive home. And both of them run 8's. Both are full weight with a/c, stereo, IRS, etc etc. There are others like Ken Henderson, Saad Saad and others that make 1300+ in street cars.
Its also irrelevant if they run c16. Running on c16 doesnt make it not a street car.
Both of the cars would make 600+ on pump. The highest pump #'s Ive seen without meth are mid 600's.
If youre scared of race gas, you could run meth on these cars with pump and make 1000+ whp, no problem.
Even at 1000 hp, thats more power than you can effectively use on the street.
And drivability isnt that big of an issue. Even if they are peakier than other cars, it doesnt matter, if the driver doesnt mind.
We are definately getting into semantics here now. Street car/daily driven...whatever. They are still street legal cars with full ammenities.
Im done posting here now...we are going in circles.
EDIT...I need to respond to this that came in before I posted ;)


Spraying your supra on the dyno and blowing it up in one or two dyno's to get 1600rwhp doesn't not count as a 1600rwhp daily driver ;) Because that's exactly what Marko did.
I dont know of Marko blowing up an engine, but its very possible. Marko made 1520 whp reliably with the same setup for a long time.
And its not like plenty of people havent blown up v8's...please. Marko made 500 hp per liter... Thats a shitload for anything. Countless v8's have failed at far less. As a matter of fact, I even doubt there is a v8 street car that has EVER made that specific power output ;)
Anyway, Im out after this.

[Tank]

Marko and Ryan Woon come to mind immediately. Both of them drive their cars hundreds of miles for events and drive home. And both of them run 8's. Both are full weight with a/c, stereo, IRS, etc etc. There are others like Ken Henderson, Saad Saad and others that make 1300+ in street cars.
Its also irrelevant if they run c16. Running on c16 doesnt make it not a street car.
Both of the cars would make 600+ on pump. The highest pump #'s Ive seen without meth are mid 600's.
If youre scared of race gas, you could run meth on these cars with pump and make 1000+ whp, no problem.
Even at 1000 hp, thats more power than you can effectively use on the street.
And drivability isnt that big of an issue. Even if they are peakier than other cars, it doesnt matter, if the driver doesnt mind.
We are definately getting into semantics here now. Street car/daily driven...whatever. They are still street legal cars with full ammenities.
Im done posting here now...we are going in circles.
even though i own a supra ill say im not the most knowledgable one on them but what lightspeed said is very correct i know that lil bit, but he is right this is going in circles lets make a decision people and move on with this thread. Props to lightspeed for good info and respectfully presenting it :goodjob:

[benwaballs]

well all i know is it should be a good run hey lt1 maybe you should watch this vid of this procharger z06 running a 600whp evo don't think it will be quite as easy as you think.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zkYMy4c5ZY

[distortion69]

Yes.. you are correct.. we are going in circles.. we both agree displacement rules. 2 supra motors stuck together in a v12 configuration would have the advantage over 1. Faster spool, more torque, more overall ability to make power (500hp/l * 6 liters?) heck of alot more. But it wouldn't really be necessary if your goal wasn't to make as much power as easy as possible.

We don't HAVE to get 500 hp/l, altho there are v8's out there making just as much that could technically be considered streetable.. if a 2500-3000hp car can be considered streetable ;) Dan millen has driven his to get a cheeseburger on low boost before... with the advent of turbochargers any horsepower level can be streetable at low boost.. then turn it up to race. You can even run high octane in another set of injectors, and pump on one set.. you can do any combination of things to make the car technically streetable.. the main thing imo that isn't streetable is the chassis.

Which is why you won't see many 6-7 sec street cars.. altho I've heard rumors of a few 7 second ones being out there.

I tend to agree if your goal is just to run mid 11's, you can do it in any platform.. even a pinto, albeit it may not be as easy as.. a stall convertor, drag radials, and a 150
shot.. or a pulley/tune/catback and drag radials.

But if you plan to eventually run 9's in a street car.. then I think we can both agree that a 1.8l probably isn't going to be your easiest route.. and likely not a 2.0 or 2.2.. not to say it isn't possible.. but any number of more cubic inches is only gonna make it easier.. hell a 500 cubic inch motor only making 95hp/l could do it on pump gason motor no problem in a 3000-3300lb car.. much less nitrous or forced induction.

I'm not really trying to argue.. that the v8's are the best setup ever.. although I do favor it, simply due to the amount of displacement possible. I'm more arguing, that just because I like MORE power, does not make me white trash redneck imbred sister fucker.. No matter how many names you can spout.. you will always have to remember one simple thing.. and that is displacement is king..

I to, am done rambling.. just killing time til the race ;) Among the other list of 1 million things I need to be doing.

Peace,
Josh

[Psycho]

I'm way too lazy to read all the crap that every one wrote. But I did see something about a F1 car running 9s in here earlier. Here is a video of it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1914692207624681889&q=car+vs+bike&hl=en

[ct9a gsr]

I didn't know Nick made this callout so everyone and their mom can talk about other people's cars...

oh wait... that's not the purpose of this thread...

[Tank]

I didn't know Nick made this callout so everyone and their mom can talk about other people's cars...

oh wait... that's not the purpose of this thread...


you know i mentioned that and go straight blown off but oh well maybe they will realize unessasary side bar talk aint needed to run your ride or have fun :goodjob:

[distortion69]

the callout was answered several pages ago.. what more do you want than that ;)

[benwaballs]

I'm way too lazy to read all the crap that every one wrote. But I did see something about a F1 car running 9s in here earlier. Here is a video of it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1914692207624681889&q=car+vs+bike&hl=en


cool vid

[LT1UltraZ]

well all i know is it should be a good run hey lt1 maybe you should watch this vid of this procharger z06 running a 600whp evo don't think it will be quite as easy as you think.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zkYMy4c5ZY

cool video

[slowhawk01]

I read several times in here were it says a big cubed V8 motors can't run low 7's and be on the street. Here is a perfect example of how reliable and fast they can be ON THE STREET.ENJOY

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6024e70a-9390-4ae9-8470-980a00f132ff.htm

[Capt._Ron]

who really cares? I mean damn, if you can make a car faster you should do it. If I had only a ford taurus to mod i would do it because its awesome to take a car and modify it. The car becomes unique and its yours then. So I say keep on racing and keep on fixing shit up and just pray to God that they keep producing combustion engines.

[VegetaRules]

I read several times in here were it says a big cubed V8 motors can't run low 7's and be on the street. Here is a perfect example of how reliable and fast they can be ON THE STREET.ENJOY

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6024e70a-9390-4ae9-8470-980a00f132ff.htm

Tight-ass video.:goodjob: ...Vegeta

[benwaballs]

I read several times in here were it says a big cubed V8 motors can't run low 7's and be on the street. Here is a perfect example of how reliable and fast they can be ON THE STREET.ENJOY

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6024e70a-9390-4ae9-8470-980a00f132ff.htm


ill take 2 :goodjob:

[b0ki]

Fuck the V8 and the I4 .....Inline 6 is still the best engine :P

[SpeedMonkey]

lol...i am goin to race lightspeed for fun..i know whats doen this his supra, and if he comes out on race gas then i might as well give him the money....if he wants to run me on pump, then ill bet money....btw ill be on pump gas myself :)

as far as you...please quit tryin to line up races for people....why dont u set up some races with our own car instead of runing your cocksucker about other people's cars?

back when i was making dig call outs non of you bitches were around, well my STi isnt running shit and the 350z isnt either, i have plans for both but unfortunately neither one will be done soon

i completely agree with you, i hate when people who dont run talk shit. however this is different, why you might ask?.. well you carry your own little cock rodeo into every thread you are in, thacker/distortion/ and others.. they talk shit for you.. so im talking shit for my friend lightspeed, you're gonna grow the balls and come out or what the fuck. come on out to gwinnett tonight, several other cars will be out here, lets see what happens stop being a pussy. (check out ct9agsr's thread)